Does personality even matter?

[The Duke]

So I’ve made a new rule to myself to ‘ call it early’ w chicks on future dates and ask them indirectly point blank after 10-15 mins if they feel any chemistry. If it’s a no , finish drink and bail. Fvck hanging around waiting for it later and spunking money on drinks for ‘company’. lol

I read a few of your date reports and it seems your intention is to have sex above all else. You mention it often. If women think thats all you want they are going to shut you down every time. Your "rule" I referenced above isn't going to do anything but make the woman feel awkward and work against the comfort you are trying to build. You don't ask women if they want to have sex, you don't ask them where they want to eat, and you don't ask them if they feel chemistry. And I couldn't help but notice your Freudian slip. These dates aren't about crossing some finish line in a rush, its about building a connection that leads to sex. Its not an industrial process of inputs that lead to a certain output. It's not: Talk + Drinks + 30minutes = SEX

If I could get a girl out on a date, it went well 95% of the time and she wanted to see me again. I've met girls online, in bars, and had several same night lays. The reason I was so successful was because I enjoyed getting to know the girl and having conversation. This makes them feel good about themselves and thats what produces the connection/vibe they are looking for. There is nothing "point black" about a woman. If thats your expectation then you will continue to have dates that lead to know where.

Its how you make them feel. Personality is important but its only necessary so they know enough to know who they are dealing with and be intrigued to learn more. Its more about a connection. If your focus is sex and making it happen in a hurry then it becomes too mechanical(more like a transaction with a prostitute) than an actual date. But hey, I'm a seducer and seducing women was way more fun than actually fuhking them. I love setting the trap and luring them right into it on their own free will.

 

[Cheeky_James]

@Duke

I prefer the fvcking tbh mate.

no my intention is to convert more dates to sex in the most efficient manner. With the least $ cost out of my pocket.

I have heard the old cliche “it’s not the kill, it’s the thrill of the chase” tho. Yeah sure.

but bottom line is - why am I tryning to build comfort , if there is no attraction from second 1. And she is just hiding that fact?
And playing me?
Only to tell me 2 days later with a Dear John rejection text message of ‘I just wasn’t feeling the chemistry’ lol. Like they are literally telling what it was after the fact. LMAO.

Another point -obvs women sprook this idea, that they needs ‘the connection’ (or so THEY say mate, think about that)

So you’re saying the connection = making them feel good about themselves , making them feel ‘special’ ? Pumping up their tires so to speak.
?

like isn’t me spending $1,000 a month on dates and dinners and listening to women blab on and on , this “connecfing ‘ , ‘making them feel good about themselves ‘ pumping up her ties and ‘building rapport ‘ and rah rah .. all this sh1t.

Isn’t this fvcking AFC behaviour dude when you zoom out on it ??!

all so women can feel this special magical “connection”, before she spreads her legs and gets pounded?

I thought we were tryna get away from that.
From AFC. Spunking his money and having to wait 3 dates. Yknow? Being guided by women’s old sprook of “I need to get to knowww youuu thoo “

like. Isn’t that being the old AFC sucker?
Falling for that load of bull****,
While she uses that time to assess his possible other resources , that she may avail of .

no sir! This is falling into the female con job my friend.
I say Front Those B1tches after 15 mins and call it out. It don’t have to be blunt, I can make it smooth and indirect and ‘socially acceptable ‘ in lingo.

MAKE THE HO SAY NO sir. To quote the old guru Gunwitch

 

[Gamisch]

idk man.
“ugly black dudes ( and white dudes or whatever race , small Asians and fat guys who pull women without any problems”

That’s pretty laughable of a statement tbh.

Are you talking they pull like ‘ once in a blue moon’ type deal?
bacause I never met one. Ever. And I went out gaming IRL .. a LOT . for YEARS back in the day.
Bars and clubs every weekend . That’s a myrh mate. A PUA sales myth.

I did wing with this guy who was pretty great at pickup. He was an outlier guy tho with a special mix of edges . On top of a very solid handsome and youthful ‘cute face.’ He had great eyes also.
This guy in the pic.
With Flashy colourful arm Tattoos covered , for privacy reasons …lol. He was a BadBoy archetype guy.

I think you’re talking BS tbh. The old PuA myrh.
If the short , trained up COACHES/INSTRUCTORS couldn’t do it. It ain’t happenin man.

Any short guy that can , has a cute face that’s doing the heavy lifting afaics. And ime.

They are super FUN dudes yeah. But also very handsome dudes too conincidentally.
They manage to overcome stature with mad Fun Value but also .. they got FACE bro.
Dis my lil mate. And he was mad Sleazy/sexual also. And extremely assertive and ‘boss’ . lotsa Alpha qualities. A very dominant guy for his height.

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Let's agree to disagree.

If you've NEVER seen anything else happening than the thing you expected , then I don't know what else to say..

Ofcourse its perfectly possible that YOU have never seen it thus you dont think its possible. I however did see it happen plenty of times.

You think that everything in life is in perfect order LOL. You think that among BILLIONS of men who wake up with morning wood not one of them will defy the " rules "? You think EVERY small Asian guy will roll over and except that he won't get p00sy? I got news for ya...

Its far from bs my brother. Re read my previous post. I've been baffled plenty of times by men who did the unexpected. Thats also why so many men are angry nowadays. They believe that in a world of perfect order xyz should or should not happen ( like a fat guy with a fine woman while he is single and gets rejected by women.)


Let's just agree to disagree. Everyone has his own experiences that forms his ideas and beliefs. If you've never seen an ugly man with a fine woman..okay.. the title of the thread is does personality matter. So I give you some examples of how and when personality indeed does matter. Do with it as you please

 

[Cheeky_James]

maybe the difference between getting laid and not getting laid has to do more with actually approaching rather than complaining

And this has nothing to do with your looks, as long as you have at least somehow decent fundamentals or at least you look clean and somehow healthy

yeah, looks will for sure influence most of the top ceiling you can get in terms of quality, but will not influence if you get laid or not on a longer stretch of time ( if you play in your own league )

From my experience, an average guy in looks ( a 5 basically ) with decent fundamentals and willing to put the work and is at least somehow decent in terms of game will mostly get his lays somewhere from 3 to 6s maybe 7s

with the vast majority of girls being 3s and 4s, sometimes 5s. From time to time 6s and rarely 7s

this in terms of conversion

re your first sentence . Oh yeah. That old chestnut.
Your next bit is contradictory. “Looks don’t matter , but yeah sure they do matter cos Yknow re the ceiling.”
Mate either they matter or they don’t.
And either way you’re saying they do . lol.

Re the last 3 cases of my dud dates.
It WAS my Looks actually. Or my M&S.
Not my ‘game’ ie my personality , or my pacing, or the absence of that ‘special connection’,

this connection thing is just bull**** women say to men when (a) it’s really their Looks or (b) they want to buy time to fully investigate the guys resources

and all you guys thibking you have great ‘connextion game’ and ‘personality game ‘ are delusional I reckon. Sorry.

cos if all you showed your faces . And also then the faces of the women you have gotten with . It would be pretty obvious to a blind man it was actually your Looks. Or your money and status.

The women just let you think it was your’ personality ‘ and that ‘special connextion’ - because that’s just bull**** women say. So they can get their hooks into a guy. Into his mind.
Because that’s the Power-Position , when she can play w your mind as she so desires then ,for whatever the reason it is she really desires.

Then she’s the one who is really in control. Not the man.

Get it or nah?

women saying they need a connection and personality is a female con job lads.
Because obv when a Chad rocks up, she don’t need none of that ****. Cos Chads a pr1ck and he don’t play no connection game. And the legs spring open , no problemo dudes. .
She will completely change her tune then.

“Haha your soooo funny Chad guy.
oh wow . I really do feel a special connection to your face and height and great body. You are so assertive and I love that personality type. Wow!”

LMFAO here.

EDIT;
funny I was chatting to some chick tonite and was very direct w her off the bar. She gave my the connextion objectiction. So there’s me typing away for an hour with my witty banter , original improvised personality, thinking I’m doing so well ,and her giving me thumbs up, “oh yes, keep going, I’m starting to feel that connection now. Just need a bit more James ..keep it up”

and on the other side she’s laughing to herself and saying “ man, guys are so easy. They are so fvcking DUMB. They fall for this ‘I Need Connection’ bulls1t . EVERY. FVCKING. TIME… LOL”

as she reels me in. And tells me keep it up. I’m doing great. While she milks me for information to see what else I may have that might be of use to her.
and this was on the FEELD app lads.
The spicier ‘kink’ ENM app.

what a fvcking LOL.
And I fell straight into it. Hahaa

 

[Cheeky_James]

well, if the question is that simplistic “ can a guy get laid “ then for sure the answer is yes if he puts the effort

smashing a 0/10 or a 10/10 has the same answer when answering if you got laid or not

( and this is something that people omit all the time, the quality they actually get )

in terms of finding you at least somehow attractive as a prerequisite for sex, yes it is true that this needs to happen first

what you so not really want to understand is that a woman finding you attractive does not mean that she wants to also sleep with you automatically

but again, i am tired of this topic as it leads nowhere. Let’s just agree to disagree

“well, if the question is that simplistic “ can a guy get laid “ then for sure the answer is yes if he puts the effort”

And I am arguing the opposite . It ain’t about putting in the effort at all. It’s probably better to do the opposite on the date actually. And model Hank Moody. And put in the absolute least amount of effort . And signal to her you know her connection game is bullsh1t. And that it’s all looks, and that minimal effort is needed. Until she breaks and ‘admits’ to it also. Then both go and have sex.

but we can agree to disagree .
Thansk for the debate guys .
I gotta go to bed now down under. Pick it up tmrw. See youse then! -CJ.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Although I think I’ll be having fever nightmares tonight. Dreaming of all these guys @Gamisch personally knows ..all those ugly black and white dudes , small Asians and fat guys out there pulling women with their nuclear-weapon grade CHARISMA & PERSONALITY. Out there fvckin slaying b1tches left and right.

LMFAO at that one mate.

That’s a ripper and a half!!

Actual belly laughs at that one.

 

[Gamisch]

Although I think I’ll be having fever nightmares tonight. Dreaming of all these guys @Gamisch personally knows all those ugly black and white dudes , small Asians and fat guys out there pulling women with their nuclear-weapon grade CHARISMA & PERSONALITY.

LMFAO at that one mate.

That’s a ripper and a half!!

That's okay

The biggest player I've known was indeed a small 5'5 Asian guy. 100% badboy and highly intelligent. Would literally take your girlfriend from you right under your nose lol.

I can't understand why its so difficult for you to graps that not everything in life is black / white and predictable. It seems to trigger you? Seems like your stuck in PUA laws that say "if you xyz you can or cannot do xyz". If you are open-minded I can definitely tell you more...

Keep living and keep learning. You say an ugly or fat dude can't EVER pull a fine woman ANYWHERE on planet earth and it NEVER happened in the history of mankind. I say I did because ive seen it with my own eyes.
.
Lets again agree to disagree on this subject and keep it moving!

 

[Cheeky_James]

Before I crash out tho I will say this.

I think what women really respond to is .. Power.
Its dominance and frame control.

the old saying “power is the the ultimate aphrodisiac “ is correct.

it’s a huge turn on for women. an assertive, dominant powerful commanding type guy.

that’s my stance.
that’s the ‘personality’ they respond to the most after the looks are there. And that’s what I dropped the ball on , on my 3 did dates.

How I ended my did date tonite , by dismissing that ch1ck could be a good thing. Cos of she had feels about that and reckons I could be more assertive like that. That I am dominant and highly assertive , She may swing back around and say want to Fvck me after all.

truat and beleive 100%.

women love a bastard. And that’s a highly assertive prick of a guy in reality.

 

[Cheeky_James]

That's okay

The biggest player I've known was indeed a small 5'5 Asian guy. 100% badboy and highly intelligent. Would literally take your girlfriend from you right under your nose lol.

I can't understand why its so difficult for you to graps that not everything in life is black / white and predictable. It seems to trigger you? Seems like your stuck in PUA laws that say "if you xyz you can or cannot do xyz". If you are open-minded I can definitely tell you more...

Keep living and keep learning. You say an ugly or fat dude can't EVER pull a fine woman ANYWHERE on planet earth and it NEVER happened in the history of mankind. I say I did because ive seen it with my own eyes.
.
Lets again agree to disagree on this subject and keep it moving!

Well. Show me his face then.
Cos I bet you good money he had a great face . He was a handsome dude. Cos that’s what rules.
Being Hansome and also being Alpha/Highky Assertive and also.. as you hint at re his intelligence.. being a Machiavellian manipulative little b@st@rd. Same as my lil wingman friend.
He had super high social IQ.
And also was a snake and then some.
man’s tried to Fvck everyone’s GF too.

there is no ugly, tiny ethnic dudes out there slaying with their mad “Rizz” buddy.
(You’re changing what you said earlier now btw)

Never was and never will be.

and ‘personality’ and ‘charisma’ does not equal being a very skilled manipulator , as you guys are selling ‘personality’.

Don’t try and twist it now around and morph your position. You’re just copying what I said about my lil player buddy.

. You said simply ‘confidence’ initially .in your point about these ugly, short and ethnic dudes pulling women. Now it’s become ‘high IQ’ and ‘100% BadBoy. ‘ and the sort of Machiavellian snake that ‘would steal any guys woman’. lol. What a conincidence. That’s just like what I said about my lil buddy straight after you said ‘just be confident bro’.

and now it’s ‘why can you just beleive my example dude? just beleive my new example ,that’s now exactly the same as your example that you just posted’.. lmao

wtf are you on about .
EDIT;
You have completely morphed your original postion on ‘women love confidence and that a confident man can Get away with shyte.’

and made it ‘women love a guy that’s very high in spcrxifically Dark Triad traits’ oh yeah and most probably has a great FACE to pull it off.
Not UGLY and short and ‘confident’ or has good ‘personality’

HANDSOME short and HIGH IN DARK TRIAD. (AKA = HIGHLY DOMINANT.)
FFS.

his dark triad traits /high DOMINANCE compensates for his lack of height bro.

BECAUSE THE #1 ATTRACTIVE TRAIT TO A WOMAN iS DOMINANCE. cos it’s a massive fvcking turn on.

And no one else has said that yet btw.
I was the first in there.

there’s a difference there vs what all youse fvckers are saying. A big difference.

 

[Gamisch]

Well. Show me his face then.
Cos I bet you good money he had a great face . He was a handsome dude. Cos that’s what rules.
Being Hansome and also being Alpha/Highky Assertive and also.. as you hint at re his intelligence.. being a Machiavellian manipulative little b@st@rd. Same as my friend.

there is no ugly, tiny ethnic dudes out there slaying with their mad “Rizz” buddy

Never was and never will be.

and personality and charisma does not equal being a very skilled manipulator as you guys are selling personality’. Don’t try and twist it now.

Okay let's agree to disagree, fourth time I said it.

I've never said ugly short broke fat ethnic wheelchair, and all the bad things you can think off combined. Just one or two of those traits and still those men pulled. An ugly man can have a big D, dress well, have charisma and/or a great PERSONALITY that makes women feel something positive. Matter of fact; a man with a deviancy might devolpe even more personality because he knows he has to compensate. All men want p00sy and every man will try to figure out a way to get it. I dont know why this flies over your head.


Lets agree to disagree and keep believing in what we've actually experienced shall we? Have a great weekend either way!

 

[Cheeky_James]

Okay let's agree to disagree, fourth time I said it.

I've never said ugly short broke fat ethnic wheelchair, and all the bad things you can think off combined. Just one or two of those traits and still those men pulled. An ugly man can have a big D, dress well, have charisma and/or a great PERSONALITY that makes women feel something positive. Matter of fact; a man with a deviancy might devolpe even more personality because he knows he has to compensate. All men want p00sy and every man will try to figure out a way to get it. I dont know why this flies over your head.


Lets agree to disagree and keep believing in what we've actually experienced shall we? Have a great weekend either way!

dude go back and reread your post .
I don’t wanna copy and paste it yet again.
I’ve edited my last post there. Read the endy bit it’s the important part re DARK TRIAD and also about DOMINANCE being the acfual most important and most attractive ‘personality ‘ trait the women respond to in a man they find physically attractive.

And none of you guys have mentioned it so far.
It’s Allpha Male vs Beta male stuff.

The tall Alpha guy is highly assertive he just uses frame control to dominate and lead.

Or else the shorter Alpha guy uses his social IQ and machiellian mind to dominate and lead more mentally .

BOTH Alpha types will be HANDSOME.
Because being HANSOME is an Alpha trait.
Good genetics = alpha genes.

The Beta guy tries to Game with his ‘personality’ .
And falls for the womans bullsh1t about needing ‘that connection first’ - while she investigates his possible other resources . In detail. It’s a con job for her to buy the time to play detective and get the sucker to open up. So she can have a real good look, really easily. Cos “guys are easy” to women bro . “Guys are so dumb” .

 

[Cheeky_James]

Being brutally honest, I am confused enough now that i can not say if you are a troll or have some sort of autism

not trying to smear you or anything, and hopefully I am wrong. Just what I feel from these ongoing back and forth about some topics that are quite straightforward for the very vast majority of guys in the world

and for some reason it feels that you are projecting the stuff that you lack into being the super most important things and that without them you are doomed

I am tryna figure out if I am right about my post title.
And get down to the correct answer.
I believe I just spelled it out above.
Gamish is saying UGLY short ethnic dudes are pulling women with ‘confidence’ /confident personality and I just have to beleive it by hearsay.

I’m saying his 5’5” friend is HANDSOME and that he’s morphing his original statement. In 2 different ways ways. Re the ugly face factor and the ‘just be‘confident ‘ factor.
And asking him to show me his Asian slayer buddies FACE.

Is that clear enough BigPapa.
Do I have to have Autism now? Another old chestnut there also.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Hey sure mayhe there is UGLY short ethnic dudes out there pulling women on the regular with their mad confidence, yes.
Pulling equally UGLY and FAT women. Left and right,

I’ve seen THAT with my own eyes sure.

more power to them. You go guys.

and I’ve for sure seen fat dudes with Money & Status with fit hot chicks too. For sure.

but I ain’t ever seen the other guys.

no one’s seen the other guys that are often described. Strangely.

the guys with low looks Just insane confidence and rizz , pulling hot chicks on the regular. lol.

Cos it don’t happen fellas.

 

[Arete]

Being brutally honest, I am confused enough now that i can not say if you are a troll or have some sort of autism

not trying to smear you or anything, and hopefully I am wrong. Just what I feel from these ongoing back and forth about some topics that are quite straightforward for the very vast majority of guys in the world

and for some reason it feels that you are projecting the stuff that you lack into being the super most important things and that without them you are doomed

I also feel like he is a troll. I remember how he recommended a new guy to get hookers and switch countries to get even more hookers. I believe his logic was to get "more relaxed around women". Why would anyone write this on a forum like this? Makes no sense.

 

[Cheeky_James]

I”ve seen all kinds of stuff

Down syndrome couples , couples in wheelchairs, etc

what I usually don’t see is guys or women jumping that much outside of their looks rating, unless maybe there is in a club or something like that. But that usually is just hooking up, and usually is guys doing 2-3 points besides their looks rating

yep exactly. So ppl play in their own looks leauge.
And ‘personality ‘ is most likely a minimal factor in reality. It’s really Allpha vs Beta personality. Women will compromise on a dudes personality imo, as they know they will be able to control the show anyway , as they have the bigger social IQ and manipulation skills in any relationship.
They just make the guy THINK it’s his amazing personality initially. Let him think that. As they pull him , and not the other way around . all women are amazing actresses in that regard mate , is my opinion as an older guy

They run their Game on us.
And not the other way around.
They just let us think that WE have great ‘game’ cos they know we have fragile egos.

As men are ‘easy’ to women. The average male is quite dumb in comparison to the average female.

think about it…

 

[BackInTheGame78]

It matters a lot once you get past the first date or two. And even to a large degree on the first date, it can make the difference between something happening and nothing happening.

Looks get you in the door. Personality and other traits keep it from getting slammed shut in your face.

 

[Cheeky_James]

@BackInTheGame78


Well unless you are talking about an Alpha vs Beta type set of personality traits . I’d disagree.

but looks like I’ll have to agree to disagree with you all on this.

but thanks for the debate, it’s been very interesting.
Thread can be locked now I reckon.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

@BackInTheGame78


Well unless you are talking about an Alpha vs Beta type set of personality traits . I’d disagree.

but looks like I’ll have to agree to disagree with you all on this.

but thanks for the debate, it’s been very interesting.
Thread can be locked now I reckon.

You can disagree all you want, but I guess it depends on what your of relationship you are looking to have. If it's just to fvck then probably not so much. If it's an actual relationship that gets deeper into LTR territory then I'm not really sure what you are disagreeing with.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Tbh and ill try close on this one.

the only Game that I see working as a strategy outaide of improving looks & behaviour to appear more Alpha, is flipping the script on a woman so that she becomes the persuer and not the Persued.
the chaser and not the chasee.

I think most women are wired to chase and complete against other women for a man,

it’s the most effective kind of game imo outaide of being the alpha guy and setting up the Dom-sub dynamic,

those two strategies are the way to go imo,

 

[Divorced w 3]

If sexual desire is built in the mind, how could personality not affect attraction? This is a fundamental truth.