"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I'm surprised the top 5% get even 20% matches.

Honestly, I don't like your doomer mindset. I also dislike Cheeky_James mumbo jumbo and BaronOfHairs trash talking. Somehow, it's increasingly demoralizing to write about a topic that I'm still on the absolute starting line. Online and the real world are the same in this regard. I surely won't do this again.


Want to know how I read this graph?

"Wow, the top 5% get 20% matches. This is surprisingly doable."

I don't care if this statistic is a cope or not. This is easy with some effort.
 
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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Didnt expect to get so many replys.



You mean like, I'm not swiping enough? I'm new to social media in general, let alone dating apps. I don't really understand.



I did not write this in the bio. The "in a nutshell" was just an exaggerated enumeration. Aparently nativ speakers dont use that? Noted.



I did NOT write this in the bio. It was a oversimplification. I have this much sense. It was the impression I was trying to go for. Obviously, it didn't work, otherwise I would have matches. I feel like Plinco's suggestion is correct. A high-value man wouldn't write so much about himself, the mistake lies in adding too much detail.

On the other hand, your replay speaks volumes of you. Instead of recommending solutions, you just bashed my post. I never understand why people do this. Neither online nor in real life.

It's the difference between criticism and yapping.



Figures ... Not sure how I should phrase it. Half my income is from renting out real estate. My regular job is kind of lame. Can't exactly call myself a "businessman"? Most importantly, I got almost no formal education. But I'm doing alright financially. It's hard to convey that I'm not a bum but also not loaded with cash.



Even paying for these apps? Not like I mind, I am even considering getting a nice suit like Plinco recommended. I heard paying for apps is counterproductive because algorithms don't want paying customers to leave? Does anyone have an opinion on that?



I understand this.

I'm currently still doing the DJ bootcamp. I recently had a small breakthrough after stagnating for a long time which I will post soon. I figured I should stop holding back and use everything at my disposal. Dating apps are supplementary in my mind, just like you say.

I have the same opinion as you, word for word. Im also already aware of the monopoly on dating apps. But usually, if one is determined enough, there is always something to be done? Seems like a waste to give up this angle.



Understood. Even for me, my own profile looks kind of cold and suspicious after a second look.

I definitely need to "Add warmth, authenticity, effort, social proof, relatability, emotional safety," like you said.

I got most of it, but I'm currently conveying none of it. In short, it boils down to my pictures? Meaning the most straightforward solution would be to go to a professional photographer?



Noted. I figured having a contrasting trait would be good for authenticity, but probably not. On a second look, it reads like a load of made-up bullsh!t. This stuff is better told in person ... if at all?
I like your grown man way of responding. Something a LOT of men can learn from.

And to allude to my previous post; let me take myself as an example. Im an etniciteit guy living in a small town in Europe. All I do is working on my bizz. I got some new clientele, and thats all I ever prayed for.

I dont have the time nor the willingness to adjust details, rearrange pictures, get professional photos, fake social settings , AI myself in and on fancy backgrounds just to attract and "convince " some low quality women.


Because let's be real; even IF I would match it will be scarred women with bigbags full of trauma. I know that. So the best advice I've given myself was to get away from the apps as a primary resource for p00sy. Its an ugly truth , but facts don't care about feelz. And thats why I will always give another man tge same advice; ditch OLD ( temporarily) if you find no success on it ( whatever you define as success)

The way I view myself is WAY above the entire humiliation ritual thats tied to somehow " adjusting " an OLD profile so it appeals to broken women.
 

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I like your grown man way of responding. Something a LOT of men can learn from.

And to allude to my previous post; let me take myself as an example. Im an etniciteit guy living in a small town in Europe. All I do is working on my bizz. I got some new clientele, and thats all I ever prayed for.

I dont have the time nor the willingness to adjust details, rearrange pictures, get professional photos, fake social settings , AI myself in and on fancy backgrounds just to attract and "convince " some low quality women.

Because let's be real; even IF I would match it will be scarred women with bigbags full of trauma. I know that. So the best advice I've given myself was to get away from the apps as a primary resource for p00sy. Its an ugly truth , but facts don't care about feelz. And thats why I will always give another man tge same advice; ditch OLD ( temporarily) if you find no success on it ( whatever you define as success)

The way I view myself is WAY above the entire humiliation ritual thats tied to somehow " adjusting " an OLD profile so it appeals to broken women.
I also find it funny how some men will say "just do xyz bro".

If ANY man has a simple answer how any other man cab be successful on OLD, match.com will send a hitman his way immediately.

Because they are a business. Their primary goal is to extract money from you. The moment you are successful you will either get off the app because you found someone, or you'll have no incentive to pay for more features because free you get plenty.

Match.com obviously is close to the gambling industry who coincidentally happens to pop nowadays. The casino effect imo is something like ; let 10 play and let 2 win . Those 2 will advocate for how great gambling is..same with the apps. A couple succes stories and boom, 2 guys who win can convince 8 losers they can also win if they just do xyz (like they did) .
 
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i don’t really know anyone as a guy that has 1 in 2 or 1 in 4 match rate with above average girls

if take into consideration the cave trolls then yeah, you might get to 1 in 5 . Maybe higher

as the cave trolls are the ones active , while above average girls not really

sounds like cope stats
Well, more than 2 flavors of ice cream exist, I mean women. We don't have 1/10 obese Cave trolls and 8/10 Supermodels.

What about the Slim Average looking women who are "5/10". ????
 

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I like your grown man way of responding. Something a LOT of men can learn from.

And to allude to my previous post; let me take myself as an example. Im an etniciteit guy living in a small town in Europe. All I do is working on my bizz. I got some new clientele, and thats all I ever prayed for.

I dont have the time nor the willingness to adjust details, rearrange pictures, get professional photos, fake social settings , AI myself in and on fancy backgrounds just to attract and "convince " some low quality women.

Because let's be real; even IF I would match it will be scarred women with bigbags full of trauma. I know that. So the best advice I've given myself was to get away from the apps as a primary resource for p00sy. Its an ugly truth , but facts don't care about feelz. And thats why I will always give another man tge same advice; ditch OLD ( temporarily) if you find no success on it ( whatever you define as success)

The way I view myself is WAY above the entire humiliation ritual thats tied to somehow " adjusting " an OLD profile so it appeals to broken women.
Thanks for the reply. I will do just that. It seems like I nearly got sidetracked unnecessarily.

I also find it funny how some men will say "just do xyz bro".

If ANY man has a simple answer how any other man cab be successful on OLD, match.com will send a hitman his way immediately.

Because they are a business. Their primary goal is to extract money from you. The moment you are successful you will either get off the app because you found someone, or you'll have no incentive to pay for more features because free you get plenty.

Match.com obviously is close to the gambling industry who coincidentally happens to pop nowadays. The casino effect imo is something like ; let 10 play and let 2 win . Those 2 will advocate for how great gambling is..same with the apps. A couple succes stories and boom, 2 guys who win can convince 8 losers they can also win if they just do xyz (like they did) .
Thinking about it again, dating apps are a variable that can't be controlled. Completely agree.

Real life approaches are the polar opposite. It makes sense to invest in something that can't be taken away. Time and energy are limited.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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not my cup of tea, but usually from what I have seen most women are either bellow 5 or above average . It is not a normal distribution where most women are around 5 like it is the case with height for example
Sounds like you rate healthy weight women with average faces as 7+. An overrate basically or "hoeflation".

I rate them as 5's.
This is a 5/10 to me, maybe 6 in makeup.




But in any event, women like her (5's to 6's) are only matching with top 5% guys on apps, guys who are 8+/10 in looks. So your chances as a 5-6 guy of wanting a woman like her are ultimately gonna be kaput/shot. Effectively, dating apps "push" healthy weight/fit average men to date down, to dumpster dive to 2's and 3's (fat/obese women). That's why they make you cough up $40 a month for boosts, of which you would be stupid to pay for; they thrive off male desperation.
 
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Well, this girl that you rate as a 5 with makeup is a 7

And you usually see them either on apps with the good pictures and angle or outside nicely dressed

In Europe most girls put makeup on when going out, so you rarely see 5s even if in reality she might be a 5
Too much of an overrate. She's a 6 with makeup.

7's are literally like Rebecca Ferguson in her prime.

 

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I figured having a contrasting trait would be good for authenticity, but probably not. On a second look, it reads like a load of made-up bullsh!t. This stuff is better told in person ... if at all?
The nerd thing is a secret, until whatever girl you are talking to calls herself a nerd first. Then you can confess and it is something to bond over.
 

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I've written about this in the past but I believe it is getting worse and worse as the years go on

Fundamentally app dating is viewed within the femosphere as bottom of the barrel stuff , "shopping the clearance isle" so to speak

It's the same for men but men will tolerate a lot more on the apps in the hope of a crumb of pu$$y plus its very very low effort which men love

What you end up with is a sub section of women that are on there either to window shop or because they are not getting men in real life and swathes of sexless desperate men making as little effort as possible trying to get laid

I personally haven't used a dating app in about 3 years and when I was using them I can't say any of the women I met were of any particular quality in fact some of the strangest women I have ever met in my life came from the apps ( although some of that was poor screening from me )

I think everyone like the idea of the dating app but in reality two complete strangers trying to communicate through digital profiles often leads to absolute nowhere
 

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It’s over for you bro and it never began.
Brutal bro.
It’s time to ropemaxx now.:cry:
 
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"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Sounds like you rate healthy weight women with average faces as 7+. An overrate basically or "hoeflation".

I rate them as 5's.
This is a 5/10 to me, maybe 6 in makeup.




But in any event, women like her (5's to 6's) are only matching with top 5% guys on apps, guys who are 8+/10 in looks. So your chances as a 5-6 guy of wanting a woman like her are ultimately gonna be kaput/shot. Effectively, dating apps "push" healthy weight/fit average men to date down, to dumpster dive to 2's and 3's (fat/obese women). That's why they make you cough up $40 a month for boosts, of which you would be stupid to pay for; they thrive off male desperation.

Too much of an overrate. She's a 6 with makeup.

7's are literally like Rebecca Ferguson in her prime.

Can we have a serious discussion about whether these takes are delusional or not?

I bet the farm that you dont have no woman looking like these ready for action RIGHT NOW, and I doubt you'll have something similar in 2027

No diss, but I feel like you're rating scale is unrealistic. Most men would have to thank all the Gods and devils if they EVER get a sniff from women like these.
 

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It’s over for you bro and it never began.
Brutal bro.
It’s time to ropemaxx now.:cry:
Patience maxxx
Money maxxx.
Fitness maxxx
Mental health maxxx
Social skill maxxx
Touch grass maxxx
Self esteem maxxx

There's a universe of opportunities between being successful on crooked apps and ropemaxxx.
 

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Patience maxxx
Money maxxx.
Fitness maxxx
Mental health maxxx
Social skill maxxx
Touch grass maxxx
Self esteem maxxx

There's a universe of opportunities between being successful on crooked apps and ropemaxxx.
I know mate. Just being humourous.

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Reddit is nowadays plastered with AFCs asking the same question; I dont have much luck/ get no matches or likes/ wwhat can I do to get more matches/ my ratio is I liked 1000 women while 3 liked me back

it seems like men get punished for being lazy. Men have been getting women WITHOUT Tinder for thousands of years, yet somehow it feels like the modern male cant do without OLD even though they have no success with it.. :rofl:
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Reddit is nowadays plastered with AFCs asking the same question; I dont have much luck/ get no matches or likes/ wwhat can I do to get more matches/ my ratio is I liked 1000 women while 3 liked me back

it seems like men get punished for being lazy. Men have been getting women WITHOUT Tinder for thousands of years, yet somehow it feels like the modern male cant do without OLD even though they have no success with it.. :rofl:
Exposé said it best bro.
“Seasons change”.
I saw data that in 2025 -65% of couples said they met via online dating.

guys. guys… please ofc it depends what you look like . OP rates himself as a 7 (or whatever)
But everyone has personal bias obvs.
He’s probably a 5 or sub5 smv in reality.
 

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Exposé said it best bro.
“Seasons change”.
I saw data that in 2025 -65% of couples said they met via online dating.
No I get that.

But heres the conundrum; a WOMAN who decides it time to be in an LTR WILL find a man because men wil literally line up. A man on the other hand ...he can "decide " its time for a " wife" and ZERO women will respond...

So 65 % of relationships were formed online and yet 65% of men dont date at all....

So 35 out of a 100 men date. A smaller percentage finds their partner online , still the 65% can remain accurate.

Its stats like these that leave men dumbfounded and confused. The definition of insanity is doing the same shyte while expecting different results.
 

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@ Gamisch
I edited my post re OPs looks and ofc that’s the main factor. For any guys on apps.
he’s probably 5 or sub5.

I can’t decipher your next point, you’ve moved on to something else.idk.
Apps are not great for finding “the one” no.
But for getting dates with reasonable looking chicks it’s working for me. I posted a screenshot of my # matches in this thread I think.
 

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The nerd thing is a secret, until whatever girl you are talking to calls herself a nerd first. Then you can confess and it is something to bond over.
Makes sense. Attributes with a negative stigma to society should only be mentioned to relate to someone. By doing this, it becomes a net positive. In hindsight, this is obvious, and I feel silly for making such a rookie mistake. This seems like it's universally important, not just dating apps. Thanks for the reply.
 
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Can we have a serious discussion about whether these takes are delusional or not?

I bet the farm that you dont have no woman looking like these ready for action RIGHT NOW, and I doubt you'll have something similar in 2027

No diss, but I feel like you're rating scale is unrealistic. Most men would have to thank all the Gods and devils if they EVER get a sniff from women like these.
Please post a picture of a "5"/10 female, buddy. She will have to be healthy weighted, which for a 5ft4'ish woman is 108lbs > 142lbs. Thats what a healthy weight male 5 should be dealing with in a normal dating landscape. He shouldn't be stooping to fat 5ft4, 175llb pigs if he is a lean 5ft10, 163lbs man.

Let me guess, you're from Texas where the women are the same size as the SUV's or Trucks out there - so to you a fat disgusting Hog is a "mid", right?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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