"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

What's with all these lame 'It's over for xxxCels' posts on here'?

Thread starter Guitar_Whizz
Start date Oct 18, 2026

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Guitar_Whizz

Master Don Juan

#1

What's with all these ridiculous 'It's over for xxxCels' posts by the user 'MatureDJ' on here? He's literally posting them all the time on different forums here.

So what's the deal with these posts? It sounds like he's clueless about women and the game, he's got a lot of limiting, disempowering beliefs and a very dark/negative perspective towards women.

Is the indicative of what this place has become?

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

corrector

Master Don Juan

#2

He is rich, a millionaire by his own words, so he can afford to make posts like that as he has plenty of time.

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Guitar_Whizz

Master Don Juan

#3

corrector said:
He is rich, a millionaire by his own words, so he can afford to make posts like that as he has plenty of time.

Why is he so bitter, jaded and clueless about women if he is a millionaire? And why come on this forum and b*tch and complain about them? If he can't get women with game and his personality, then he could simply buy sex and companionship instead since he's got plenty of money.

Barrister

Master Don Juan

#4

The line was being said on a serious basis for different groups of incels on here a few years ago. MDJ began posting random stories and coming up with different combos of “-cels” as a joke and has kept it going for awhile now. It’s pretty harmless stuff.

Gamisch

Master Don Juan

#5

Nah leave MatureDJ alone bruh....he is the forum's Unc. Personally I can appreciate his humour.

If we talk about bitterness; its equally bitter to worry about something small like that...

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

corrector

Master Don Juan

#6

Guitar_Whizz said:
Why is he so bitter, jaded and clueless about women if he is a millionaire? And why come on this forum and b*tch and complain about them? If he can't get women with game and his personality, then he could simply buy sex and companionship instead since he's got plenty of money.

He has does do these things you are saying. He's really insecure about his height. He also has very strict standards on his race. He will not date outside of his race, so he can't use his JBW and get an ethnic gf/wife either. I think if he could use his money and get over 6 feet tall, and do a male makover and saw better traction with his "new look", then it would be different with him.

It's interesting that from the other members that visit escorts he's rather quiet about that. I guess the idea is he should not have to pay what other guys get for free. Even if you are a millionaire, if the only way you can get with a woman is to pay for it, then that gets old fast.

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Mike32ct

Master Don Juan

#7

It’s just a running joke. I still lol at it due to the many silly but creative ways it can play out.

But I can understand if some others find it tired or worn out.

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BadBoy89

Master Don Juan

#8

Guitar_Whizz said:
Why is he so bitter, jaded and clueless about women if he is a millionaire

Making money and knowing how to attract women are 2 different things.

If he can't get women with game and his personality, then he could simply buy sex and companionship instead since he's got plenty of money.

Men on Sosuave don't want a woman's sex or companionship. Men on Sosuave want a woman's LOVE. And women hate to give love. Women don't mind giving sex for the right price if the man is decent looking, but they won't give love easily.

I'm sure 95% of men on Sosuave have enough money to go to Amsterdam and get sex from a woman in the red light district, but they don't want that. I'm sure 95% of the men on Sosuave have enough money to pay a woman for companionship, but they don't want that. Men on Sosuave want a woman to love them, to care for them, to call them up and have the woman say "I'm coming over to cook for you and then we can watch a movie and make love because I care so much about you"

As Coolio said in Gangsta's Paradise song: "Too much television watching got me chasing dreams....."

BillyPilgrim

Master Don Juan

#9

It's OVER for SixStringCels

retardedautist2020

Don Juan

#10

Guitar_Whizz said:
What's with all these ridiculous 'It's over for xxxCels' posts by the user 'MatureDJ' on here? He's literally posting them all the time on different forums here.

He’s probably a fed, or he’s what happens to you when you spend all your time online.

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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