How do you know if a woman is cheating without proof?

[tesla8520]

I'll give you an example of why this occurred to me.
My friend's girlfriend, I've always had a gut feeling that she's not as good a woman as she appears in public.

A year ago, a guy contacted her, and it seems she's emotionally distanced herself, so it's been tough for a few months. The arguments keep coming, and she wanted to end the relationship, but she never saw this guy or slept with him.

Now, however, she's back to normal, but when I'm around her, I still have this strange feeling.

We basically have no evidence of cheating, and this got me thinking.
Can any of you tell if a woman is cheating without actually seeing evidence of it?
Maybe you can tell just by her behavior, but how can you be 100% sure?

For example, if she were to cheat with some guy, she would have feelings for those guys she was cheating with, which means the relationship would be turbulent and would continue to argue, just like it did when she was dating that guy.

Which means that if a woman is in a relationship and gives us the feeling that she's cheating with someone, but she's emotionally secure in the relationship, then it's probably just a misguided feeling and she's not cheating. On the other hand, if she does or doesn't give us those feelings, but is pissed off and wants to end the relationship, in that case it's because when she cheats, the woman inevitably detaches herself emotionally.
So she'll argue about anything.

 

[BPH]

Why are you concerning yourself with this?

A woman may cheat, and the man may never know...
A woman may cheat and not reveal it until the breakup...
A woman may not cheat but say she cheated to hurt her man...
A woman may not cheat, but everyone thinks she did...

What would satisfy your definition of being "100% sure"? Because the only person who REALLY knows is that person.

None of it really matters. I'd say to trust your gut instinct, but you're not even the one in the situation and wouldn't have the full picture. YOU are not in a relationship with this woman, so you have no idea what she's like behind closed doors.

 

[Gamisch]

Perhaps a better question is ; what are the signals that a woman checked out?

And nature being the mother that she is, she will be ruthless in her display. A woman who is checked out will show this in a thousand different ways. No or shorter replies, less warmth, less sex, no kisses, ect.

My experience, and by my experience I mean PERSONAL experiences, is that as a man you can feel and see the damocles' sword hanging above your head held by a silk thin thread. But all the investments are at stake, and more importantly your EGO. I bet your friends won't leave either way. My "assessment " would go something like this:

She met a dude, had a full blown ltr that went through all the stages. Eventually they broke it up and boom, she is back acting like nothing happened. And she proofs she can afford it...she can literally date another man while keeping your friend on the leash ,and active him as a backup option whenever she feels like it.

Your friend doesn't wanna hear this, and even if you'd tell him he won't leave. You personally however, can lear this life lesson and understand that IF a woman acts up ot time to leave. Period.

 

[CornbreadFed]

You will never have proof

 

[plumber]

does not matter of you have proof.

case one, you feel like it is happening. no proof.

case two, you feel like it is happening and you get proof.

both cases feel equally bad. perhaps case one feels worse....

so the question makes sense, but the answer does not matter. if your just imagine it all, that's still a bad situation.

usually guys don't have this feeling if the girl is priority them both private and public and with clarity.

 

[The Duke]

My exwife cheated on me and I never had any exact proof. The only thing I had was the signs and behavioral changes. I tried for months working like a private investigator in the background collecting evidence but never got anything that would convict her that she couldn't deny.

People get caught up and focused on the cheating aspect, however its what happens before that they should be focused on. Cheating is what happens when the previous problems aren't dealt with.

As far as I'm concerned, most men only cheat physically but it's the women that cheat emotionally. And thats a huge difference for me.

 

[Hal9000]

My ex cheated on me and the very first behavioral change I noticed was that she suddenly started placing her phone face down when she wasnt using it. A subtle thing to be sure, but that eventually led to me getting all the evidence I needed for proof.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Man, you really need to get out there and get laid.

 

[CornbreadFed]

As far as I'm concerned, most men only cheat physically but it's the women that cheat emotionally. And thats a huge difference for me.

As long as the man cheats on a softball opportunity and is still able to hold down his responsibilities, I will look the other way. The problem I have is when men start trying to have multiple girlfriends/wives because he is too scared to be upfront.

 

[Gamisch]

My ex cheated on me and the very first behavioral change I noticed was that she suddenly started placing her phone face down when she wasnt using it. A subtle thing to be sure, but that eventually led to me getting all the evidence I needed for proof.

We all been there bro...

Let's use this is an excuse; mobile phones are still fairly new, and thus we haven't mastered our and other's behaviour around it.

When I saw the" phone down" my spidey sense went ham, yet I simply couldn't put my finger on why.....

Yes I was that fool in love. To end the story on a positive note; I recently saw a picture from my ex and my smv is literally higher than hers now! I didn't age ( or like fine wine if I did) , she did like milk in the Sahara dessert LOL..crazy that I would literally do EVERYTHING for a woman who is average at best..

Edit: arguably a woman without the "last seen" on WhatsApp option is virtually putting her phone down too...

 

[Gamisch]

last seen is not really an issue, when you see read notification switched off, that is even worse

I said arguably..so I know its a questionable take..

If I agree with myself ( lol) one could argue that couples should share locations as well..

Tbh, if both parties have nothing to hide it shouldn't be an issue...thats the "price " involved with sharing your life with another person..no privacy.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Man, you really need to get out there and get laid.

The 3 Italian stooges reside in this forum.

 

[plumber]

Getting colder and creating space was one of them?

From what I have noticed is that women have it quite difficult emotionally to sleep with multiple at the same times

so either after sex she gets cold and creates distance , or gets cold and creates distance before happening

depends on the woman.

 

[plumber]

I said arguably..so I know its a questionable take..

If I agree with myself ( lol) one could argue that couples should share locations as well..

Tbh, if both parties have nothing to hide it shouldn't be an issue...thats the "price " involved with sharing your life with another person..no privacy.

yes for safety, security, and trust this is a great idea. trust and privacy are a dichotomy.

 

[Solomon]

A girl I was seeing exclusively (no bf/gf title) went to Iowa, and came back with a mark on her ass and said "I fell down the stairs"
Yeah ok

Any woman who cheated on me it was never 100% proof but it was weird circumstances, or circumstantial evidence at best, however, the one thing that always was true was my gut feeling and sometimes your gut don't liie!

 

[tesla8520]

Thanks everyone for contributing to this topic.

As you can see, many have had experience with this, and apparently, the main way you recognize it is when they change their habits/behaviors.

Which makes it even weirder... a person is bound to change in a relationship, so when they tell you, "I go to the new yoga class, three times a week, every morning from 8 to 9," you don't think they're doing it because they might be seeing someone during that time and cheating on you. In fact, you're encouraging them to do it.

People get caught up and focused on the cheating aspect

It's as if nature pushes us to think about these things directly; we're programmed to do so.

But if you said your ex cheated, you somehow found out, and then you changed your attitude about the fact that when you hear a woman is cheating, what do you do now?
You don't think about getting proof, but rather, how do you behave now?

A woman without the "last seen" option on WhatsApp is virtually putting her phone down too...

They are masters at manipulation; one used it as a pretext... she left WhatsApp open for her boyfriend to show how "honest" she was, but in reality she was using other apps to cheat (Telegram and Snapchat).

 

[RangerMIke]

Under the right set of circumstances, any person (not necessarily just women) that is attractive with options, could cheat.

I'm not saying cheating is a 'crime', but it is considered wrong behavior. When evaluating the potential of someone committing a crime, they consistently look for motive, means, and opportunity. Same is true for cheating.

Men and women cheat... it happens, it is an emotional decision. The difference is the motivation for cheating is different for men and women. Men, who are attractive and/or wealthy generally will cheat if they believe they can get away with it when a physically attractive woman presents them with the opportunity. With women, motivation is a bit more complicated, and it has to do getting what she needs in a relationship.

The potential a female partner might cheat is always there, there is no 100% guarantee that won't happen. All a man can do is to consistently be the best version of himself possible, and keep his eyes open to a woman's flagging interest... and be aware of her needs, doing the best he can to meet those needs. This will not lower the chances to ZERO, but it will lower the possibility.

 

[CornbreadFed]

who tf will wake up at 8 am to cheat?
It means that things very broken if it ends up to this

according to the manosphere, every woman is cheating on their partner, fvcking 3 guys simultaneously, and being flown to Miami/dubai 5 times a year while still maintaining the image of a normal life.

 

[plumber]

If you notice anything, it is mainly about women just acting based on what internally is in them, rather than them being malicious

exactly. but... a man must understand what is internally in them. they are not evil (usually). they are not the enemy, they are a different type then men. red pill tells us that they do what they do because of what they are. they are not demon possesed (usually) but will follow what they are. just as men do follow what they are.

blue pill tries to screen out the truths of how the animal works. convert an R rated show to be G. The methods include convincing you what you see is not real. What you feel is insecurity instead of just accepting that you don't like what is happening. long list of ways.

it is not us against them... that is not red pill. it is understanding what is actually happening.

for example the fact that a higher smv guy can get with a married women when her hormone cycle spins and her mood flows is not evil, its just how it works. red pill is knowing how it works.

the same can be said of men. don't think i ever met a man that wanted to harm his mate by cheating. sometimes women do it to harm the mate, but usually thats not it. both men and women do it because they do not have honor. red pill teaches us that honor has no place in evolution. one of the oldest and simple red pill rule is that you get what you negotiate not what you deserve. blue pill tries to convince that you will eventually get what you deserve.

red pill is not toxic. it can be difficult to accept the truth and that is the real issue. much easier to hate women than to understand that a man has low smv. some parts of it can not be changed for the man, evolution will weed that one out. being the weed sucks. just because something is not nice does not make it wrong.

humans are actively overrunning the planet. the system works very well.

 

[Solomon]

Not really cheating if you were not in a relationship

Looks like she was not emotional invested either

Nope she wasn't and neither was I---the old me would have flipped out,but she was just a girl I would bone and watch anime with