"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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90% Men are Invisible

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I cannot speak for everyone else but for me a woman cannot be a 10 if she is insufferable, rude, selfish, manipulative, or crazy etc. I know the conversation is mainly about looks but I have always factored personality into the rating. There is nothing more draining than a hot woman with a dimwit personality who is also shallow. Looks alone stop mattering fast when the attitude is that bad.
Oh, this girl is fine as hell though. Everywhere she walks, men break their necks or start simping immediately. The difference between a 10 and a 8.5 is, like I said, 10s are actively recruited and sought after by rich men. 10s are doing Epstein Island shvt while 8.5s are working regular jobs and paying for most of their bills lol.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Brings us back around to a point made elsewhere https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...-have-it-that-easy.286399/page-3#post-3194907

Being "visible" to women doesn't automatically guarantee to you success, especially if genuine companionship is what you're in the market for. If anything, the Wallace Shawns and John Carrol Lynchs among us are often seen as stronger candidates for LTRs

By contrast, the legions of current and former hearthrobs who were never able to hold down a marriage or something close to it number in the 100s of millions
 

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They do exist, but you won’t ever see them because they live in a different reality than the average person.
I don't believe in 10s. It's admittedly a rather subjective statement - you can take the prettiest woman in the world and arbitrarily assign her a 9.9 or whatever you like. But no such thing as 10s is part of my personal philosophy. No woman is literally perfect.
 

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What's wrong with this? I also find 80% of women unattractive. Even more.

Bro, I'm not going to hook up with anyone I think is rated under a 7.
For many years, every time I walk into a public place I scan the room looking for the most attractive women. I'm lucky if I find 10% of the females attractive enough that I would be interested in getting to know them.
 

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Saw this video, nothing new, but I thought it was interesting. It's by notorious black piller Wheat Waffles, but I thought it was better than most of his stuff, thought it made a lot of sense.

I have never really bought into the idea that women only wanted bad boys, and this helps explain it better IMO. According to this, women are really just attracted to the good looking men. But the good looking men with good personalities have girlfriends or wives - or are quickly snapped up - so they're not really on OLD, or on the market. The good looking men who are left are the bad boys. So girls go for the good looking guy, but they turn out to be bad boys. And of course the average looking guys are basically ignored.

If men were invisible, they would be able to rape and steal from women with ease. It's not about visibility. It's about presence.

Well that's a given, but personally for me I don't deal with insufferable women even if they're HOT or Average. As you mentioned before they are well-mannered and socially calibrated hot chicks out there. But you won't find them on dating apps or at a club
Ironic that you disputed this in my thread, but then come here and admit that hot women can be insufferable, too. Ha!
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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If men were invisible, they would be able to rape and steal from women with ease. It's not about visibility. It's about presence.

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Ironic that you disputed this in my thread, but then come here and admit that hot women can be insufferable, too. Ha!

I rather bang a hot insufferable woman than an average one bwhahahaha

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When I was in my teens and early 20s, I was incel as f-ck. Thinking back, I've had a good number of girls pursue me. I was just too socially awkward. I was also what many consider a "low value male". I was only 5'5, total geek and hopelessly awkward. So if someone like that can get pursuers, then it's not just top 10% of men.
Yeah, I think the video is interesting, and does serve to explain a few things, but I don't believe in the black pill to the extent that Wheat Waffles does. If the video were literally true, I couldn't explain myself. I certainly don't consider myself in the top 10% of men looks-wise. But I've always been able to get women, outside of a nasty dry spell I had in my early 20s. I think I was too scrawny at the time. Things got better when I got into lifting. I don't have an Abercrombie or bodybuilder physique, but bulking up definitely helped me.
 

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I don't believe in 10s. It's admittedly a rather subjective statement - you can take the prettiest woman in the world and arbitrarily assign her a 9.9 or whatever you like. But no such thing as 10s is part of my personal philosophy. No woman is literally perfect.
people that say they don’t believe in 10s probably live in some suburb in Ohio lol. I said the exact same thing until I left bum frvck Tennessee.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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people that say they don’t believe in 10s probably live in some suburb in Ohio lol. I said the exact same thing until I left bum frvck Tennessee.
No one is perfect, that's a fact.
10 is an arbitrary label. You might as well say "my amp goes to 11".
I don't believe in the concept.
 

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No one is perfect, that's a fact.
10 is an arbitrary label. You might as well say "my amp goes to 11".
I don't believe in the concept.
Let’s say you rent a hypothetical 10/10 as an escort for a few hours. What are you going to be looking for to deduct this 1/10th of a point from her? Are you going to be deducting points from teeth size? Imperfect eyebrows?
 

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Let’s say you rent a hypothetical 10/10 as an escort for a few hours. What are you going to be looking for to deduct this 1/10th of a point from her? Are you going to be deducting points from teeth size? Imperfect eyebrows?
I object to the premise on its face. If you label someone a 10, then you meet someone better, how do you give them extra points? Once you label someone a 10, there's nowhere to go but down. Post me a pic of a perfect 10 if you think they exist. They might be a 10 to you, but I bet someone would rate them lower. I know I would, because I don't believe in labeling humans as 10s. And damn few even get the 9.
 

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Let’s say you rent a hypothetical 10/10 as an escort for a few hours. What are you going to be looking for to deduct this 1/10th of a point from her? Are you going to be deducting points from teeth size? Imperfect eyebrows?
Here's why there are no perfect 10 women.....because every single beautiful girl that ever graced the pages of Maxim or Playboy or Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition back when they were the standard had been air brushed to some extent or Posed in a position to make their body look the best it can. They were 9's made to look like 10's.

And if you want to ruin the illusion sit in the parking lot of a strip club and watch the talent walk in. I promise once they get their hair, makeup, and heels on you will rate them much higher than when they first walked thru the door looking like a average girls.

Not all butts look good naked when they bend over. Not all boobs look good when they fall out of a bra.

Take a look at hugh hefners 3 blonde girlfriends(holly, bridget, Kendra). They looked great in the magazine but when they were shown in their reality tv show as everyday people they werent so beautiful.

Perfect 10's are only in magazines. There is a reason that saying was common for so many years.
 

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Take a look at hugh hefners 3 blonde girlfriends(holly, bridget, Kendra). They looked great in the magazine but when they were shown in their reality tv show as everyday people they werent so beautiful.
even when they’re all done up they’re still not 10s

but that’s my point. what a girl does for a living has nothing to do with how beautiful she is. whether it’s getting to live in the playboy mansion. getting flown out to epsteins island

being an international world renowned successful supermodel

you could easily find a girl prettier than all these girls bartending at some sh1t hole bar/restaurant
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Dating apps are a cesspool of low-quality women overall, even if they are hot, if a man is using dating apps to find girlfriend he is doing it wrong IMO. Sure you might find a gem here and there, but MOST women on dating apps are pump-and-dump or FWB material at best.
is it the same for men. lower quality men go to the apps ?? so it ends up being a big pool of low quality.
 

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^ Anything bad that can be said about women on dating apps can be said about guys. Guys might even be worse.

A decade ago when the dating site Plenty of Fish was popular, one of my coworkers was on it. This coworker is bottom of the barrel: late 30s, 120 pounds overweight and (hate to be cruel) has a Down Syndrome appearance.

When she quit the site, she gave me the password so I can log in and see the messages.

Despite her appearance, she got a CRAPLOAD of guys messaging her and asking her out. She can go out with a new guy 2-3 times a week if she wanted.

A lot of guys on dating sites have ZERO standards. I still remember one guy, as a first message, sent her an audio where he composed a song with her name in it.
 

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^ Anything bad that can be said about women on dating apps can be said about guys. Guys might even be worse.

A decade ago when the dating site Plenty of Fish was popular, one of my coworkers was on it. This coworker is bottom of the barrel: late 30s, 120 pounds overweight and (hate to be cruel) has a Down Syndrome appearance.

When she quit the site, she gave me the password so I can log in and see the messages.

Despite her appearance, she got a CRAPLOAD of guys messaging her and asking her out. She can go out with a new guy 2-3 times a week if she wanted.

A lot of guys on dating sites have ZERO standards. I still remember one guy, as a first message, sent her an audio where he composed a song with her name in it.
I'll never forget PoF. Lowest of the barrel there. I am not surprised even the ugliest get called on there.

I have a friend who is not pretty at all. A girl who refuses to dress up in women clothing. A guy literally drove six hours to go **** her. We're talking a half a day trip to get laid.
 

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I object to the premise on its face. If you label someone a 10, then you meet someone better, how do you give them extra points? Once you label someone a 10, there's nowhere to go but down. Post me a pic of a perfect 10 if you think they exist. They might be a 10 to you, but I bet someone would rate them lower. I know I would, because I don't believe in labeling humans as 10s. And damn few even get the 9.
You're dodging the question, though. If she's not a 10, what exactly are you taking the point off for? Her teeth? Eyebrows? Nose? Smile? What's the flaw?

Just saying "someone hotter might exist" doesn't answer that. As a result, you are leaving room for some hypothetical woman you've never even seen.

If nobody can ever be a 10 because someone better could always come along, then you're not really using a 10-point scale. You just made the top number impossible for no reason.
 

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Here's why there are no perfect 10 women.....because every single beautiful girl that ever graced the pages of Maxim or Playboy or Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition back when they were the standard had been air brushed to some extent or Posed in a position to make their body look the best it can. They were 9's made to look like 10's.

And if you want to ruin the illusion sit in the parking lot of a strip club and watch the talent walk in. I promise once they get their hair, makeup, and heels on you will rate them much higher than when they first walked thru the door looking like a average girls.

Not all butts look good naked when they bend over. Not all boobs look good when they fall out of a bra.

Take a look at hugh hefners 3 blonde girlfriends(holly, bridget, Kendra). They looked great in the magazine but when they were shown in their reality tv show as everyday people they werent so beautiful.

Perfect 10's are only in magazines. There is a reason that saying was common for so many years.
I cannot really argue because I've never been into the stereotypical Playboy blonde look, nor have I ever looked at a Playboy magazine. American blondes generally aren't my type.

My personal 10:

A nerdy British girl with resting ***** face, or a Middle Eastern, Southeastern European, Northern Indian, or Southeast Asian ABG with dyed hair. She must have a natural proportional body type, eyes that give that stare, no rotten or missing teeth, no tattoos, above-average IQ, etc.

However, my personal 10 isn't the same as a market 10. The overall SMV market doesn't care what my niche preferences are. A market 10 is the woman who is in such high demand that she's being pursued by celebrities, athletes, billionaires, agencies, and wealthy men with virtually unlimited options. That's a different conversation than asking who I find most attractive.

As a result, a 10 to me could be an 8 in the market, and a market 10 could only be an 8 to me.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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