5 good reasons women ignore men

[CornbreadFed]

TLDW

1). You lack a sense of purpose or story

2). Neglect Personal Hygiene & Care- I noticed the difference between these habits in European (exclude the brits) men vs American men. European men mostly were all well-groomed, polished, and put together while most American men look like homeless slobs or at best effort gym attire.

3). You are boring AF

4 ). You are out of shape aka fat- I am putting looks into this point btw.

5). You lack social proof- From a man's perspective, it is hard to understand the importance of this. However, if you view it from the female's perspective then it makes a lot of sense. Women do not want to get completely tricked in to dating a dangerous or boring man, so they need the social proof aka good reviews to verify men.

IMHO, you do not need all 5 of these going for you to finally attract women. However, I do think they should be ranked from most to least important. As a result, you can have one or a few of these but still be decent with women or you could only have 1 and feel like this topic is a waste of time.

Point 4 > Point 3 > Point 2 > Point 5 > Point 1... I have seen women completely ignore the last 2 points for guys with the first 2 points

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The only thing that matters is they aren't interested and it can be for any reason or no reason.

While there are plenty of things you can do to increase your value and health in this regard, there will still be plenty of women that aren't interested

 

[Manure Spherian]

IMHO, you do not need all 5 of these going for you to finally attract women

Good. Because I’m boring.

 

[CornbreadFed]

The only thing that matters is they aren't interested and it can be for any reason or no reason.

While there are plenty of things you can do to increase your value and health in this regard, there will still be plenty of women that aren't interested

Yeah, but you aren't doing yourself any favors talking to women without any marketing presentation or strategy. There might be interest there, but you killed it by looking like a slob, acting shy, and only talking about Andrew Tate and Alt Right Tradconism politics during the date.

 

[SW15]

1). You lack a sense of purpose or story

2). Neglect Personal Hygiene & Care- I noticed the difference between these habits in European (exclude the brits) men vs American men. European men mostly were all well-groomed, polished, and put together while most American men look like homeless slobs or at best effort gym attire.

3). You are boring AF

4 ). You are out of shape aka fat- I am putting looks into this point btw.

5). You lack social proof- From a man's perspective, it is hard to understand the importance of this. However, if you view it from the female's perspective then it makes a lot of sense. Women do not want to get completely tricked in to dating a dangerous or boring man, so they need the social proof aka good reviews to verify men.

IMHO, you do not need all 5 of these going for you to finally attract women. However, I do think they should be ranked from most to least important. As a result, you can have one or a few of these but still be decent with women or you could only have 1 and feel like this topic is a waste of time.

Point 4 > Point 3 > Point 2 > Point 5 > Point 1... I have seen women completely ignore the last 2 points for guys with the first 2 points

Point 4 is the most damaging. If a man's looks aren't on point, then he will struggle in the mating market. This content creator cites "out of shape" or "fat" as a reason. He's mainly going after what Wheat Waffles would call Sub 5 men.

Men in the 5-7.4 range can even get ignored by women despite not being out of shape/fat. A 5 is more likely to be ignored than a 7 or even 7.5.

The upper echelon of men in looks are well positioned.

I think Point 2 is more damaging than Point 3. Point 2 is part of Looks, which makes more than Point 3, a part of Personality.

My order of most damaging to least damaging is...

Point 4
Point 2
Point 3
Point 5
Point 1

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yeah, but you aren't doing yourself any favors talking to women without any marketing presentation or strategy. There might be interest there, but you killed it by looking like a slob, acting shy, and only talking about Andrew Tate and Alt Right Tradconism politics during the date.

I mean that's fair, but that is simply about having some sort of social tact and acuity.

 

[BadBoy89]

So much theory on this website; everyone is an expert on women, starting threads on “you can’t get women because of x, y, z”. Yet no one posts successful field reports.

Point 1. Wrong. So if the guy is rich and spends like crazy on her, she won’t be with him because he has no “purpose”?

Point 2. Wrong. I’ve slept with 8/10s with clothes bought from Costco:

Point 3. Wrong. So a man is supposed to be a clown and entertain the woman?

Point 4. Wrong. My friend is fat, is a Salsa teacher. Gets the hottest women.

Point 5. Wrong. James Bond needs social proof? I would say social proof is bad, then she knows you are nice safe guy.

All points debunked and are wrong .

 

[Travel memoir21]

 

[SW15]

Yet no one posts successful field reports.

@nicksaiz65 and @BPH post successful field reports.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Yet no one posts successful field reports.

How about you post one then. Most active posters on this board in LTRs or married.

 

[The Duke]

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I'm still waiting on a field report from you.

 

[BPH]

@nicksaiz65 and @BPH post successful field reports.

@BadBoy89 I hit my 101st soon after my 100th, if you want me to post that.

I just didn't bother because I don't post EVERY new lay.

 

[New_Journey]

TLDW

1). You lack a sense of purpose or story

2). Neglect Personal Hygiene & Care- I noticed the difference between these habits in European (exclude the brits) men vs American men. European men mostly were all well-groomed, polished, and put together while most American men look like homeless slobs or at best effort gym attire.

3). You are boring AF

4 ). You are out of shape aka fat- I am putting looks into this point btw.

5). You lack social proof- From a man's perspective, it is hard to understand the importance of this. However, if you view it from the female's perspective then it makes a lot of sense. Women do not want to get completely tricked in to dating a dangerous or boring man, so they need the social proof aka good reviews to verify men.

IMHO, you do not need all 5 of these going for you to finally attract women. However, I do think they should be ranked from most to least important. As a result, you can have one or a few of these but still be decent with women or you could only have 1 and feel like this topic is a waste of time.

Point 4 > Point 3 > Point 2 > Point 5 > Point 1... I have seen women completely ignore the last 2 points for guys with the first 2 points

Nice Covert Contract.

 

[Solomon]

So much theory on this website; everyone is an expert on women, starting threads on “you can’t get women because of x, y, z”. Yet no one posts successful field reports.

Point 1. Wrong. So if the guy is rich and spends like crazy on her, she won’t be with him because he has no “purpose”?

Point 2. Wrong. I’ve slept with 8/10s with clothes bought from Costco:

Point 3. Wrong. So a man is supposed to be a clown and entertain the woman?

Point 4. Wrong. My friend is fat, is a Salsa teacher. Gets the hottest women.

Point 5. Wrong. James Bond needs social proof? I would say social proof is bad, then she knows you are nice safe guy.

All points debunked and are wrong .

I agree with some of this and disagree with some but that's not my point with your post to debunk , or say what works because it's been rehased so much.

You bring up an issue that I have for Sosuavers(not the forum but the people who post in it) When I first signed up in 2008 you had some guys who were the exception to the rule guys like Snowplowman aka Distant light at time 19 years old partying with models by 2012 was knocking down centerfolds and posting receipts

Guys like Jono23 etc, heck at one point even Goodlookingloser was posting on this forum

What's my point? guys strived to be the exception, 1:1 and not the rule guys strived to innovate and try new stuff

Now in 2025 everyone wants to be the rule. and keeps saying LMS no one talks about the art of rizz (charisma) or anything niche that makes you stand out. Everyone wants to fit in

 

[RangerMIke]

There is no such thing as all sizes fits all with women.

Just be the best version of yourself possible. Every man has the ability to control their fitness level, buy clothes that fit their body (BTW you don't need to spend a lot of money on clothes, but you should wear clothes that look good on you), and take care of personal hygiene. So start with that because it is the best way to attract women.

Everything else just depends on what any particular woman is looking for. Everyone has a purpose and a story... it depends on if a particular woman likes your 'purpose and story'. Women that are really into music are going to be interested in musicians... Women that are focused on resources are going to be interested in men with money.... A church going religious woman is NOT going to be interested in an atheist... A blue hair Wiccan chick is not going to be interested in a MAGA conservative.

 

[CornbreadFed]

You bring up an issue that I have for Sosuavers(not the forum but the people who post in it) When I first signed up in 2008 you had some guys who were the exception to the rule guys like Snowplowman aka Distant light at time 19 years old partying with models by 2012 was knocking down centerfolds and posting receipts

The environment today does not produce the same thriving PUA culture like it did 20 years ago. You can even tell movies that romanticize PUA tactics have disappeared like Hitch, Crazy Stupid Love, How I met your mother, and etc.

Now in 2025 everyone wants to be the rule. and keeps saying LMS no one talks about the art of rizz (charisma) or anything niche that makes you stand out. Everyone wants to fit in

That's why I labeled point 3 higher than most because a lot of men today are either boring or cookie cutter from some rotten cookie dough mold that repulses women. However, I think a woman has to find you attractive first whether that be you are a universally attractive Chad or you fit her type. The exception does not even apply to men because I will find it hard to believe that Saphire's Precious would ever seduce you because she had rizz or some alt right radical like @Bokanovsky.

 

[Vanderdonck]

This is Sosuave 101 bro. Groom yourself, get in shape, have a mission, don't be boring. Nothing new under the sun. Just do it for you, not as some "strategy."

 

[CornbreadFed]

This is Sosuave 101 bro. Groom yourself, get in shape, have a mission, don't be boring. Nothing new under the sun. Just do it for you, not as some "strategy."

Or it's do none of that just fake it til you make on OLD or at clubs and then spend your free time at the gym or on Red Pill livestreams.

 

[Hal9000]

I always dated and lived as a lone wolf type (only a couple friends, no family, no real social status) and it never caused me any issues at all even though I dated doctors, engineers, rich divorcees, etc. I agree with those above that if you're in good shape, dress well, are actually fun to be around in a dating situation and have anything at all going on in your life besides porn and video games you will be firmly in the top 10% of dateable men and find success in the dating world. Unfortunately for most those things are apparently unachievable for a variety of reasons.

 

[Gamisch]

I agree with some of this and disagree with some but that's not my point with your post to debunk , or say what works because it's been rehased so much.

You bring up an issue that I have for Sosuavers(not the forum but the people who post in it) When I first signed up in 2008 you had some guys who were the exception to the rule guys like Snowplowman aka Distant light at time 19 years old partying with models by 2012 was knocking down centerfolds and posting receipts

Guys like Jono23 etc, heck at one point even Goodlookingloser was posting on this forum

What's my point? guys strived to be the exception, 1:1 and not the rule guys strived to innovate and try new stuff

Now in 2025 everyone wants to be the rule. and keeps saying LMS no one talks about the art of rizz (charisma) or anything niche that makes you stand out. Everyone wants to fit in

Tbh the art of rizz is severely diminished due to the come up of OLD.

When we start to kinda understand how women think we know that a few images combined with other factors ( e.g a doctor who has a picture sitting on a Harley , one in Dubai, and one at a VIP table ) will make her do all the fantasising. Doctor dude doesn't even has to be a doctor! He also doesn't need to be a charming person, talkative, rizzed up, not even needs to be jacked.

No lie, I know a guy who plays this game relentlessly. He is a doctor, a pilot, a CEO , a professional soccer player who's injured ect. All the while he hasn't had a job in centuries and has a baby momma who is a 5 at a good day. But.. it WORKS!! Women fall for that bs every- damn- time.

So you can have " 2010 rizz" but it won't ever be as strong as a woman’s mind making up the perfect man in her fantasy, stimulatdled by factors SHE feels are important( and those are NOT loyalty, morals, decency, humor ect and whatever WE think is important)

. Let's say you do approache and " rizz" such a woman; she will be less receptive to it than back in the days. There will be less urgency to keep in touch with you , less curiosity. She might have 10 fantasy men lined up and will check if either one of them can actually " give her what she deserves. Let's not even talk about the amount of ( silent) orbiters and male friends, work / gym/ neighbourhood husbands ect.

So yeah, the narrative on even an online seduction forum has drastically changed because MOST if not almost ALL men will struggle with this to some degree.. It's more about the intricacies of the game ,the nuances, the questions why woman A can be satisfied building a life with average Joe while woman B wants an royal prince ect,

OLD is like pron for women and let's keep it a buck shall we? We all know the power of pron that provides you with endless DIFFERENT types and makes the last dime piece less valuable than the next one and the next ect. OLD for women does just that: it's like the FIFA unbox system where the next " dream guy" can be unpacked at any given point in time, anywhere on planet earth.. good luck thinking you can contain this energy for ,let's say ,"long enough to buy a house together and actually pay it off" LOL.

It's not flattering, but the truth is never that sexy to begin with. The truth is harsh and reality is bitter.