Rate this guys face plz

[Cheeky_James]

I can only assume it's a mixture of her thinking I was good looking (even if none of her friends would ever describe me as such!) and maybe an element of natural 'chemistry' in terms of the way we connected and bantered. In redpill terms I guess you'd call it 'meeting her looks threshold and having enough 'game' not to mess it up'.

I pulled a very hot girl at a temp job a while ago. I posted her pic here although don't feel comfortable to blast her pic online again, although I think I showed you once. Even with her, after we first had sex and I done my usual 'de-brief' and asked her why she wanted me, she said she thought I was' super fit' (which means handsome here) and wanted me from when she first saw me. Now.... i'm not good looking, really. Confirmed by my rejection rate and my almost ZERO tinder matches!!! lol. But she thought I was

Honestly, with a cold approach, I can usually tell VERY fast. In the case of a girl who is clearly not interested and wouldn't be even if I had mystery and tyler and jeffy and todd and Ross Jefferries all feeding me the perfect lines to say through an earpiece! With them girls I'd say I can tell within like 3 seconds. Interestingly, it's the same with 'pros' in infeilds. I can tell extremely fast after their open whether this infield will go somewhere or whether it'll go in their 'rejection compilation'. When I think 'she's not interetsed', he can never ever turn it around even with his 'coach level game'


Not sure. Like, I think you can approach a girl who maybe thinks you are 'quite good looking' and she's not gonna reject you on your looks, but she'll want to 'feel' some sort of chemistry (that's not really needed with 'chad'. OR she 'feels' it instantly with him. It's just different and she interprates that raw attraction as 'chemistry'). So that could take longer in them instances. I'd guess 10 mins or so but i'd only be guessing. I guess that's why many dates (assuming the guy isn't a cat fish) don't work out

it’s interesting that you can tell in 3 seconds when it’s a red light /no progression.

But with a woman you think it takes 10 mins her side.

And that yet with a Chad guy it’s instant chemistry for the woman.

I guess with the guy who’s just at her looks threshold .. there may be 5 such guys pursuing her.
And the ten mins is to assess if this guy has anything different to offer vs other 4 interested of similar value.

So he’s just a maybe until he can show any other value in the 10 mins.

maybe if he has more intelligence he gets in (which comes out in his humour and banter).
Or he is more assertive than the others.

Or money. Social status and social connections.
He knows the DJ, has party drugs, VIP tickets, etc

depends on the chick I suppose.
In bars and clubs I’d say it’s the latter 3 tbh

I think assertiveness is very key tbh. Having a ‘Boss’ or Alpha vibe from the start.

 

[Gamisch]

this is the kind of BS that is rife on this forum.
JayZ the billionaire with his super high status….

“Oh but it was his ‘charisma’ that swung it for him to get Beyoncé.” “so therefore. logically. this proves proves -> blah blah blah”

this is like a Quantum Leap of low IQ …linking those things all together and applying it to the average guy (or even worse )the ugly guy ..as some ‘transferable’ magic charisma as a root factor of better success with women. That charisma is the great equalizer.

as if charisma stands on its own and can be learned/gained by the average guy or ugly guy.

jayZ ‘s mad ‘charisma’ comes from his Billions and his super success in music . His super -high STATUS bro. His influence.
FML

Ie- His Money and his Power.

As Charisma = Mad Power and influence.

that’s the meaning of the word. Look it up.

If you say that one example blahblahblah then we can apply that to everything anyone says.

I think you have trouble reading; I said that they are BOTH filthy rich thus it evens each other out. Its not like Beyonce works at Starbucks while Jay is a superstar.

@UK manc
Can u let up w that sh1t mate?
Post up some pics of your amazing body or else put a sock in it bro. Seriously.

have you gotten laid from cold approach yet?
I can’t find your Lay reports on here…

Shut up dude. Posting pictures from your homie while you want privacy AND asking other to post pictures while again you value your privacy...thats hypocritical...

One thing is for sure; your the best troll we've seen in a while!

 

[Divorced w 3]

Fine, I’ll bite. Rate this face.

 

[characternote]

it’s interesting that you can tell in 3 seconds when it’s a red light /no progression.

But with a woman you think it takes 10 mins her side.

And that yet with a Chad guy it’s instant chemistry for the woman.

I think it gets a bit complicated because it falls into the 'maybe girls' territory.
So, a chad only really gets 'yes girls'. He approaches, she's massively attracted, he just needs to not pi$$ his pants and he'll get her. The 'chemistry' she thinks she feels is more just raw attraction.
I can tell in 3 seconds when it's a red light, but so can she. I'm not saying it takes her 10 mins to decide you're a red and nothing you can say will make her want to jump your bones. I thinkk (and feel like even infield proves) she makes that decision just as fast as me and you. A guy SHE considers way too old and fat and bald and ugly to HER tastes falls into the 'no' camp in a second or 2.
The 10 mins example was more of a guess, and it was in relation to her feeling 'chemistry' with a guy who isn't her 'henry cavill' but also not a hard 'insta no'. That's why I used the online date examples. You go on a date and assuming you didn't catfish her, there's some level of physical attraction there. Maybe not super high. But I think if you can make her laugh and show confidence and all that stuff then she might feel that 'chemistry'. Hope that makes sense. We were kind of discussing slightly different things I think

But the most important thing to me personally, is that on a cold approach, and especially on a hot young girl, she does indeed need to think you are hot /good looking (to her tastes). All the 'pushpull' and teasing and NLP verbals and whatever else we call 'game' just isn't gonna move the needle if that raw attraction isn't there

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Well you're a cutie so nothing to worry about.

when/where did she poast her pictures?

 

[Sega Genesis]

when/where did she poast her pictures?

Over the years, I've sent a low-key face shot (selfie) to a few members privately.

 

[Cheeky_James]

If you say that one example blahblahblah then we can apply that to everything anyone says.

I think you have trouble reading; I said that they are BOTH filthy rich thus it evens each other out. Its not like Beyonce works at Starbucks while Jay is a superstar.

Yes indeed they are BOTH superstars you idiot.
Charisma = STAR power.
Where did you get the idea it’s transferable or learnable for the average or ugly guy with ZERO star power ??

Did you get that idea from this fvcknard?



And can you pls explain to me (I’ll ask again for the 3rd time) how this fvcknard been studying Charisma for 20 years hardcore and still hasn’t got it yet.. ?? And how he still sucks with women…?cos he negates everything you’re saying. He’s the poster boy for it.

He is now a ‘Charisma coach’ as are his old cronies. Should I go watch them to learn it .?. lol

Shut up dude. Posting pictures from your homie while you want privacy AND asking other to post pictures while again you value your privacy...thats hypocritical...

One thing is for sure; your the best troll we've seen in a while!

that’s why it’s a sunnies pic you plonker.
And he gave me permission btw.
There’s 219 million people in Brazil. Good luck finding him. Put an AI filter on a selfie of your face to disguise your identity and post it up.

 

[Cheeky_James]

I think it gets a bit complicated because it falls into the 'maybe girls' territory.
So, a chad only really gets 'yes girls'. He approaches, she's massively attracted, he just needs to not pi$$ his pants and he'll get her. The 'chemistry' she thinks she feels is more just raw attraction.
I can tell in 3 seconds when it's a red light, but so can she. I'm not saying it takes her 10 mins to decide you're a red and nothing you can say will make her want to jump your bones. I thinkk (and feel like even infield proves) she makes that decision just as fast as me and you. A guy SHE considers way too old and fat and bald and ugly to HER tastes falls into the 'no' camp in a second or 2.
The 10 mins example was more of a guess, and it was in relation to her feeling 'chemistry' with a guy who isn't her 'henry cavill' but also not a hard 'insta no'. That's why I used the online date examples. You go on a date and assuming you didn't catfish her, there's some level of physical attraction there. Maybe not super high. But I think if you can make her laugh and show confidence and all that stuff then she might feel that 'chemistry'. Hope that makes sense. We were kind of discussing slightly different things I think

But the most important thing to me personally, is that on a cold approach, and especially on a hot young girl, she does indeed need to think you are hot /good looking (to her tastes). All the 'pushpull' and teasing and NLP verbals and whatever else we call 'game' just isn't gonna move the needle if that raw attraction isn't there

yes.
I think ‘raw attraction’ and ‘chemistry’ are the same thing tbh.
Chemistry is just chick lingo for raw attraction.

A word to use when they want to soften a rejection to a dude and not say “sorry it’s your looks bro”.

Socially polite term. As with ‘vibe’ and ‘connection’ and ‘spark’.

this word ‘vibe’ especially makes me laugh.
It’s such a catch-all chick lingo word with various definitions… LOL

chicks know what’s up.

 

[Cheeky_James]

I love how you know "what's up" with all chicks lol , your assessment is incorrect.

Vibe is short for vibration or "vibrational energy" which every living thing possesses including humans. It extends beyond raw physical attraction.

Google it, do some research. Expand your thought process.

Knowledge is power. The more you know......

What is your IQ? Do you know, ever been tested?

I said chicks know what’s up.
As in they know what they really mean when they drop those words .

I have googled. And will again now to prove my point .

Afaics ‘vibe’ or ‘vibrational energy’ is a made up term .
That’s Tony Robbins type speak. (Maybe he coined it even) .. it’s like Manifesting speak. Etc

it’s the same as ‘Aura’.
btw I love your Aura … it’s very purple right now . lol.

these words are bullsh1t terms …

women are tuned into body language , for sure 110% . way more than men are.

-Vibe is really firstly read of a persons body language, facial expression and voice tonality, to gauge what emotional state they are in. Or what their agenda is.
It’s the same idea as Thin Slicing.
so vibe can = thin slice. (I prefer that term)

-it can mean the general atmosphere of an interacfion or conversation
is comfortable /sexy /exciting /drainer whatever .

-or it can mean the general atmosphere of a place

So it’s a pretty broad term tbh and can mean many things. It’s vague. Which is why I don’t like it.

It could also be used to cover or excuse that a guy just was physically unattractive.

my IQ is average afaik..hopefully(!) why do you ask?

 

[Sega Genesis]

Afaics ‘vibe’ or ‘vibrational energy’ is a made up term .
That’s Tony Robbins type speak. (Maybe he coined it even) .. it’s like Manifesting speak. Etc

it’s the same as ‘Aura’.
btw I love your Aura … it’s very purple right now . lol.

these words are bullsh1t terms …

women are tuned into body language , for sure 110% . way more than men are.

-Vibe is really firstly read of a persons body language, facial expression and voice tonality, to gauge what emotional state they are in. Or what their agenda is.
It’s the same idea as Thin Slicing.
so vibe can = thin slice. (I prefer that term)

-it can mean the general atmosphere of an interacfion or conversation
is comfortable /sexy /exciting /drainer whatever .

-or it can mean the general atmosphere of a place

So it’s a pretty broad term tbh and can mean many things. It’s vague. Which is why I don’t like it.

Agree with bolded and thank you for admitting it can extend beyond raw physical attraction as I said.

However it is not a term coined by Tony Robbins, I cannot stand that guy!

it could also be used to cover or excuse that a guy just was physically unattractive.

Agree in some cases with less evolved human beings who don't understand it, it can be used as a way to describe physical attraction or lack thereof.

Anyway speaking of energy, mine is pretty much depleted with respect to this discussion.

So signing off but hey carry on!

Peace man....

 

[Cheeky_James]

Agree with bolded and thank you for admitting it can extend beyond raw physical attraction as I said.

However it is not a term coined by Tony Robbins, I cannot stand that guy!

There is no proof that it extends beyond physical attraction .. and that an attractive guys ‘vibe’ is also deemed as attractive , in line with his looks. LOL

as I said .. it’s a Bullsh1t term , used mainly by women … and charlatans in the self help space trying to hock their bullsh1t. It’s was coined in the 60s by the hippie movement . (lol)

The origin of ‘vibes’ and why they’re more important than ever

To say something ‘has a vibe’ is to say your body has vibrated to it in a particular way

www.independent.co.uk

Agree in some cases with less evolved human beings who don't understand it, it can be used as a way to describe physical attraction or lack thereof.

Anyway speaking of energy, mine is pretty much depleted with respect to this discussion.

So signing off but hey carry on!

Peace man....

So if it’s womens favorite word ..
you’re saying WOMEN are less evolved human beings ?lol. (Pretty sure women can’t agree among themselves what it means either.)

well… you said it not me !

That’s all I’m sayin.

 

[Sega Genesis]

So if it’s womens favorite word ..
you’re saying WOMEN are less evolved human beings ?lol. (Pretty sure women can’t agree among themselves what it means either.)

CJ seriously man are you okay?

What I said is that those people (men and women) who believe one'a vibe/vibrational energy only relates to looks/physical attraction and NOT everything else you described about body language, one's emotional state, thin-slicing, etc etc and what is explained in the article you attached are less evolved. IMO anyway.

Ya know it's very difficult having a discussion with you, given your selective processing, twisting words, inserting your own narrative and inability to expand your thought process beyond your own rigid outlook.

It's extremely frustrating and I may be the most open-minded and mentally flexible person around open to ALL possibilities and nuances.

Even when I agree with you about some things you insist on arguing!

That is why I am signing off. I am utterly exhausted

If you need the last word, fine, but I am done.

Take care.

 

[Cheeky_James]

CJ seriously man are you okay?

What I said is that those people (men and women) who believe one'a vibe/vibrational energy only relates to looks/physical attraction and NOT everything else you described about body language, one's emotional state, thin-slicing, etc etc and what is explained in the article you attached are less evolved. IMO anyway.

Ya know it's very difficult having a discussion with you, given your selective processing, twisting words, inserting your own narrative and inability to expand your thought process beyond your own rigid outlook.

It's extremely frustrating and I may be the most open-minded and mentally flexible person around open to ALL possibilities and nuances.

Even when I agree with you about some things you insist on arguing!

That is why I am signing off. I am utterly exhausted

If you need the last word, fine, but I am done.

Take care.

I’m saying thin slicing happens in about 3 seconds.
That’s the window for any ‘personality game ‘.
3 seconds.

like CharacterNote said previously reread his postings above.
And that’s from experience of 100s of approaches.

what is attractive or not is assessed very quickly .
And what happens after that doesn’t really swing things either way.

that’s my point.

and when women say a dudes vibe was off .. it’s just another way of saying his Looks were off or his Status was off. simply.

and if women either feel it or don’t feel it , very quickly - looksmaxxing and giving off a perception of higher status in 3 seconds is the whole Game.
Period.

that’s it.

the rest of what women say is just a rationalisation or backwards rationalisation using words like Vibe and Connection. Blah blah.

All of that is framed positively (or negatively )from wether or not she felt a spark in about 3 seconds of meeting the dude.

So looking at it that way - a lot of what is advised re conversation game, rapport skills , being x y z personality , setting up the right ‘vibes ‘in conversation wth xyz angle …to get more success and conversion with women..is redundant?
Cos chemistry is either there or it’s not.

in seconds.

get it?

so therefore;
-beleiving ‘charisma’ can be an equaliser ie charismatic conversations = bollocks.

-any advice of having great rapport skills in conversation = bollocks.

- any advice of trying to improving ‘vibe’ in conversations = bollocks

etc.
So in summary…. Most of that ‘game’ advice = Bollocks.

I think I’ve made it clear.

and there is actually zero evidence or proof to the contrary. Just hearsay of “but I know a guy”.

Or dudes hiding their faces online saying
“But I did it - explain MY success then”

Apparently there is a guy out there , who is ugly or very average faced .. with ‘charisma’ off the Richter scale, and ‘charm’ shining out of his ar$e

with the ability to pull chicks above his league wherever he goes.

That old PUA chestnut.

I guess it must be one of these guys.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Maybe these guys can teach me their Charisma … LOL

 

[Sega Genesis]

CJ, I only got halfway through your post until you wrote "period" but explain this.

On your other thread you talked about your date rejecting you and you asked her for feedback

Obviously she must have liked your looks/physical appearance otherwise she would not have wanted to go out with you in the first place..

Something happened during the date that turned HER off besides your looks.

You asked for feedback and she said (your own words from your other thread).

"my manners. -stay classy.

My sleaze - tone it down brah

And the connection -solidifying that firstly
To solidify the vibe and the value her a bit more as a unique person "

What she described was your vibe, your energy. It turned her off

NOT your looks because again she liked your looks otherwise she would not have accepted your date invite in the first place.

The other two girls you went out with were cool with your vibe. This is what is meant when we say it's all subjective. It's nuanced.

Period.

Nuff said, Ciao! .

 

[Cheeky_James]

CJ, I only got halfway through your post until you wrote "period" but explain this.

On your other thread you talked about your date rejecting you and you asked her for feedback

Obviously she must have liked your looks/physical appearance otherwise she would not have wanted to go out with you in the first place..

Something happened during the date that turned her off besides your looks.

You asked for feedback and she said (your own words from your other thread).

"my manners. -stay classy.

My sleaze - tone it down brah

And the connection -solidifying that firstly
To solidify the vibe and the value her a bit more as a unique person "

What she described was your vibe, your energy. It turned her off.

NOT your looks because again she.liked your looks otherwise she would not have accepted your date invite in the first place.

Period.

Nuff said, Ciao! .

read my replies above and refer to the photos.
You can’t read into that womans feedback as “the truth” . I already said that. She couldn’t say “you’re just less physically attractive than I thought from your great pics “.
Maybe I’m photogenic. And I don’t list my height on the bio. She wasn’t feeling it in 3 seconds is the answer. The rest was superficial stuff to give me an answer to my request for feedback.
general manners feedback she perceived as negative. The socially acceptable thing to say. i put her on the spot for answers.

If I was better looking.. none of that small sh1t would have mattered . LOL.

 

[Sega Genesis]

You can’t read into that womans feedback as “the truth”

Oh ffs I never said it was the "truth." It turned HER off, read my edit about how the other two women you went out with were cool with your vibe/energy.

It's all subjective. Nuanced. If you don't understand this by now I don't know what else to tell ya.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Oh ffs I never said it was the "truth." It turned HER off, read my edit about how the other two women you went out with were cool with your vibe.

It's all subjective. Nuanced. If you don't understand this by now I don't know what else to tell ya.

no. You can’t objectively say that.
It was much more likely my looks . In about 3 seconds. After that .. my manners or my conversation/ oersonality ‘game’ was redundant anyway.

Edit; I talked to that chick for 40 minutes about various interests , Travel , job blah blah.
It wasn’t something that I ‘did wrong’ or my ‘bad game’. She was just nitpicking for something to tell me as an answer.

Refer back to CharacterNote’s posts here.
He does 100 (say) number of approaches to find 1 young hottie that is receptive. They all feel it (or not) in 3 seconds firstly.
I’m sure 99 of them that were red lights would give similar feedback .. that it was his xyz behaviour or ‘game ‘ if he did the same exercise.

it ain’t nuanced LOL that’s the FALLACY.

btw - was it all so NUANCED back when we were cavemen and cavewomen. And grunted at each other too ? LOL how did Neanderthals end up fvcking ? This is all primal stuff guys . We all have primal mating systems and mating responses still.

it’s not fvcking nuanced at all!! LOL

But women still like to make men think it is ….

 

[Sega Genesis]

no. You can’t objectively say that.
It was much more likely my looks .

So then why did you bother asking her for feedback? Since you're convinced despite what she told you, she didn't like your looks?

Even though AGAIN she must have liked your looks (on some level) otherwise she would not have gone out with you.

What turned HER off was your in-person energy. She didn't have good feels when in your presence.

It's not uncommon when meeting and connecting online and then meeting in person.

i dunno man you're all over the place depending on the thread, and I'm an idiot to continue responding! Lol

In any event, ya know what? Think what you like, no skin off my nose.

You're right. You win!

 

[Cheeky_James]

So then why did you bother asking her for feedback? Since you're convinced despite what she told you, she didn't like your looks?

Even though AGAIN she must have liked your looks (on some level) otherwise she would not have gone out with you.

What turned HER off was your in-person energy.
It's not uncommon when meeting and connecting online and then meeting in person.

i dunno man you're all over the place depending on the thread, and I'm an idiot to continue responding! Lol

In any event, ya know what? Think what you like, no skin off my nose.

You're right. You win!

It’s just an interesting exercise . To see what the woman will say. That’s all. I’ve been doing it for years. Sometimes (rarely) the women will actually be straight up honest and give Looks as the reason.

ok thanks. I’ll take the Win!
Read up my last reply I’ve edited it re your mention of ‘Nuance’…

edit:
Ps….

Are you feeling attracted to me right now ??