Top tier guys

[Cheeky_James]

Game has been a factor since the dawn of man. Women have always been deeply attracted to masculine energy. This phenomenon supersedes looks. Take this to the bank: when a man does the best with what he has, that is enough for most women. Looks at that point become completely irrelevant. It is all about how he makes her feel after that. An average man who shows some self-respect in the way that he presents himself will always be successful with women. That assumes, of course, that he has a well developed personality.

dude - this ‘get Game with women ‘ thing is itself a red herring.
Because it can’t really be ‘learned’.
It used to be that the word ‘Game’ meant being very successful with women, repeatedly.
A player and Don Juan.
“He’s got Game’ etc

Here it’s muddied with “ the Game of how to get 1 girlfriend’

and it’s pretty obvious that any Player who has ‘Game’ with women is also coincidentally always good looking and Handsome. Usually very much so. Especially so.

this masculine energy sh1t is again a red herring and reframe.
A handsome (aka very masculine faced ) man has lots and lots of “masculine energy”.

there can be uglier men with muscles who have masculine energy. But they don’t have a faction of the success of The Player /The Natural.
so those guys DO NOT then have ‘Game’ with women,

do you see that yet or are you still coping? Idk

 

[Atom Smasher]

Yeah I'm a bit confused about this "make her feel" as well. As if to suggest feelings can be manufactured by various strategies etc which I don't agree with.. It sounds manipulative.

@Atom Smasher do you mean connecting and investing in her mind first? Before expecting her to invest in your c0ck? If so I 100% agree with that but still, that won't "make her feel" if the chemistry/energy isn't there naturally IME.

Feelings, emotions, the "chemistry" two people feel when meeting and beyond simply exists, it's intangible and often times cannot be explained logically. It's an energy.and based on many things including looks which are subjective. It's natural and organic or should be imo and experience

CJ you may believe chemistry is based solely on looks and that's part of it however I have had experiences where a man was objectively hot but did NOT move or pull ME in the least.

Some of my friends didn't quite get it, but nope he did nothing for ME. Despite some men being models etc when I lived and worked in NYC.

Don't even ask what pulls me, I have been drawn and attracted to all different types, I just know what I like and yes "feel" when I meet him.

It's an energy. It's what I felt with my boyfriend when I first met him at a party which resulted in us talking, laughing, bantering for nearly three hours.

He also happens to be extremely handsome (to me) which was a big part of it and initially pulled me but if that natural chemistry hadn't existed between us, I wouldn't have remained talking etc for several hours and would not have said yes when he invited me out on a date.

You’ve been around here way too long to be confused by what I’m saying. I have to go out right now so can’t elaborate, but I will be able to later.
Just a quick note though. OF COURSE I’m talking about engaging her mind and emotions. That’s what starting relationships is all about. I don’t like your crude physical remark about anatomy. I got sleeping around just for the score out of my system by age 21. This is nothing but dissipation for both genders. There are two broad categories of people here: relationship-minded and physically-minded. I am firmly in the relationship-minded camp.
Anyway, I have to look a little harder later at what you said and I might have another point or two.

 

[Atom Smasher]

dude - this ‘get Game with women ‘ thing is itself a red herring.
Because it can’t really be ‘learned’.
It used to be that the word ‘Game’ meant being very successful with women, repeatedly.
A player and Don Juan.
“He’s got Game’ etc

Here it’s muddied with “ the Game of how to get 1 girlfriend’

and it’s pretty obvious that any Player who has ‘Game’ with women is also coincidentally always good looking and Handsome.

this masculine energy sh1t is again a red herring and reframe.
A handsome (aka very masculine faced ) man has lots and lots of “masculine energy”.

there can be uglier men with muscles who have masculine energy. But they don’t have a faction of the success of The Player /The Natural.
so those guys DO NOT then have ‘Game’ with women,

do you see that yet or are you still coping? Idk

Explain my transformation and success.

 

[Barrister]

dude - this ‘get Game with women ‘ thing is itself a red herring.
Because it can’t really be ‘learned’.
It used to be that the word ‘Game’ meant being very successful with women, repeatedly.
A player and Don Juan.
“He’s got Game’ etc

Here it’s muddied with “ the Game of how to get 1 girlfriend’

and it’s pretty obvious that any Player who has ‘Game’ with women is also coincidentally always good looking and Handsome. Usually very much so. Especially so.

this masculine energy sh1t is again a red herring and reframe.
A handsome (aka very masculine faced ) man has lots and lots of “masculine energy”.

there can be uglier men with muscles who have masculine energy. But they don’t have a faction of the success of The Player /The Natural.
so those guys DO NOT then have ‘Game’ with women,

do you see that yet or are you still coping? Idk

If what you are saying is true (it isn't -- just another version of the rehashed Black Pill crap we've seen here before over the years), then why continue to post here? If it really all comes down to "Looksmaxxing" and Game is immaterial to getting women, then it seems your journey on SS has come to an end and there is no reason to waste time here anymore.

Maybe you look down on others' anecdotal evidence that point to the opposite of your own experiences, but I have seen plenty of handsome fellas who struggle with women because they have zero social skills. I have also seen other "average" men looks wise clean up due to their confidence and/or charisma giving them a huge presence that made women get wet who were in their proximity before they even had opened them.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Yeah I'm a bit confused about this "make her feel" as well. As if to suggest feelings can be manufactured by various strategies etc which I don't agree with.. It sounds manipulative.

@Atom Smasher do you mean connecting and investing in her mind first? Before expecting her to invest in your c0ck? If so I 100% agree with that but still, that won't "make her feel" if the chemistry/energy isn't there naturally IME.

Feelings, emotions, the "chemistry" two people feel when meeting and beyond simply exists, it's intangible and often times cannot be explained logically. It's an energy.and based on many things including looks which are subjective. It's natural and organic or should be imo and experience

CJ you may believe chemistry is based solely on looks and that's part of it however I have had experiences where a man was objectively hot but did NOT move or pull ME in the least.

Some of my friends didn't quite get it, but nope he did nothing for ME. Despite some men being objectively hot or models etc when I lived and worked in NYC.

Don't even ask what pulls me, I have been drawn and attracted to all different types, I just know what I like and yes "feel" when I meet him.

It's an energy. It's what I felt with my boyfriend when I first met him at a party which resulted in us talking, laughing, bantering for nearly three hours.

He also happens to be extremely handsome (to me) which was a big part of it and initially pulled me but if that natural chemistry hadn't existed between us, I wouldn't have remained talking etc for several hours and would not have said yes when he invited me out on a date.

yes , you’ve raised 2 important elements.

To sleep with a woman a guy has to do 3 things

(A) Get attraction (physical chemistry)- based on his Looks . Only. (1 second screen her side)

(B) Relax her , turn off her threat radar ,so she can feel complete safe (to fvck) and is then ready to let herself become aroused

(C) Turn her on -escalate and get her aroused enough and wet enough to have sex

I’ve come to look at it very much the same as how it would have gone down in caveman times.
Caveman meets Cavewoman
Then reread above
Some getting attraction is the big pet.
And (B) is the bit that’s debated endlessly but misses the mark,

it’s about relaxation and definitely calming down a womans fear-brain or threat radar.
As imo, a woman needs to be completely physiologically relaxed before she can enjoy sex

voila!
CJs ABC

 

[Sega Genesis]

I don’t like your crude physical remark about anatomy.

I'm sorry what? What crude remark did I make about anatomy?

I neither said nor implied anything about a man's anatomy. What are you referring to?

I was discussing chemistry/energy/attraction. And how looks play a role in that.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Explain my transformation and success.

how the fvck would I know.
I’ve never seen your face and I don’t know your body count.

I’ll hazard a guess. Shy introverted but fairly cute faced guy goes through process of realisation he has to be more extroverted more social and more assertive.

same as myself I’ll bet.
Guy comes to realise he was pretty good looking, after all. And learns how to work his looks and turn chicks on.

 

[characternote]

If what you are saying is true (it isn't -- just another version of the rehashed Black Pill crap we've seen here before over the years), then why continue to post here? If it really all comes down to "Looksmaxxing" and Game is immaterial to getting women, then it seems your journey on SS has come to an end and there is no reason to waste time here anymore.

Maybe you look down on others' anecdotal evidence that point to the opposite of your own experiences, but I have seen plenty of handsome fellas who struggle with women because they have zero social skills. I have also seen other "average" men looks wise clean up due to their confidence and/or charisma giving them a huge presence that made women get wet who were in their proximity before they even had opened them.

In his defence, this forum is probably fairly well suited to what he's saying/believes.

The main advice on this forum for a very long time, has basically been 'hit the gym and get your money up'. That's what this forum is kind of known for. That's the answer to every post where a guy asks how to get more girls or how to seduce his hot new neighbour who doesn't seem interetsed in him at all.

It's been decades since this forum would answer with 'gamey' replies and tell him what techniques to use to make her want him (with verbal examples for him to try and test)

Most PUA forums have gone now, but that sort of reply would be given by the coaches on skilledseducer. The poster would be told 'you need to use NLP verbals to hijack her brain. Use some embedded commands such as 'how does it feel when YOU ARE ATTRACTED? TO ME, it kind of feels like blablabla", tell her a story about YYY and point at yourself' etc etc. Use bubble words that force attraction inside of her even if you are obese and 100 and she's an 18 year old cheerleader' But not here. This forum will tell you to hit the gym, get at good looking as possible, and get your money up. (and rightly so, tbh)

 

[Bigpapa]

If what you are saying is true (it isn't -- just another version of the rehashed Black Pill crap we've seen here before over the years), then why continue to post here? If it really all comes down to "Looksmaxxing" and Game is immaterial to getting women, then it seems your journey on SS has come to an end and there is no reason to waste time here anymore.

I think that so much mental energy is being spent on black / red pill content that the reverse of the play is missed

when you as guy, for whatever reason you realize that you do not like the woman that much ( to me if I sense that she is not that smart, or is arrogant, or has a bad energy, or a bad person - most guys are like this ) you do not really put that much effort into trying to sleep with her because you know it is not worth it. It either happens fast and without too much effort, either you are ok with not happening at all

Especially if you are a guy with options, and since women have options I do not see the reason on why not to filter out on other aspects just than looks

really doubt that a girl with decent self esteem would just bang a guy just because he is hot, unless he is way out of her league, but this would mean that even as a giga had you would sleep with average and maybe slightly above average girls

These days, me personally, if I do not get a good vibe from the girl or like something about her that is more than her looks, most of the time I would not put too much effort into her

unless maybe she is super super hot and totally out of my league. But even then, I do not think I would put way much effort

plus, sex is way better when y both of you put the effort, and usually it has to be more than sexual attraction to end up to that point

 

[Atom Smasher]

If what you are saying is true (it isn't -- just another version of the rehashed Black Pill crap we've seen here before over the years), then why continue to post here? If it really all comes down to "Looksmaxxing" and Game is immaterial to getting women, then it seems your journey on SS has come to an end and there is no reason to waste time here anymore.

Maybe you look down on others' anecdotal evidence that point to the opposite of your own experiences, but I have seen plenty of handsome fellas who struggle with women because they have zero social skills. I have also seen other "average" men looks wise clean up due to their confidence and/or charisma giving them a huge presence that made women get wet who were in their proximity before they even had opened them.

You’re still one of the best, Barrister.

 

[Cheeky_James]

If what you are saying is true (it isn't -- just another version of the rehashed Black Pill crap we've seen here before over the years), then why continue to post here? If it really all comes down to "Looksmaxxing" and Game is immaterial to getting women, then it seems your journey on SS has come to an end and there is no reason to waste time here anymore.

Maybe you look down on others' anecdotal evidence that point to the opposite of your own experiences, but I have seen plenty of handsome fellas who struggle with women because they have zero social skills. I have also seen other "average" men looks wise clean up due to their confidence and/or charisma giving them a huge presence that made women get wet who were in their proximity before they even had opened them.

I was on the fence before I came here, but after 6 months and debating back and forth, now it’s crystallising for me what the reality is.

Just the same as the others can came before me and went through the same journey of PUA to arrive closer to BP worldview. why does that happen so often I wonder

 

[BaronOfHair]

@Cheeky_James Your physical apperance is important, and it's also only one weapon in your arsenal. Ex.

To this day Gilmore Girls aficionados maintain that Milo Ventimaglia was far sexier and more engaging than Jared Padalecki, a phenomena which followed the latter into his lengthy tenure on Supernatural, where Jensen Ackles was the chief panty dropper of the two leads. From day 1 of the series-the end

All 3 are attractive guys, and Padalecki is both larger and likley physically stronger than the other 2... Alas, Ventimaglia and Ackles each have swagger and charisma by the sh-t ton*, while JP is generally tagged with labels like "nice", "boy next door", and "Golden Retriever". Physical beauty only takes you so far, when that's paired with blandness

*The difference is obvious

Immediately

 

[Cheeky_James]

If what you are saying is true (it isn't -- just another version of the rehashed Black Pill crap we've seen here before over the years), then why continue to post here? If it really all comes down to "Looksmaxxing" and Game is immaterial to getting women, then it seems your journey on SS has come to an end and there is no reason to waste time here anymore.

Maybe you look down on others' anecdotal evidence that point to the opposite of your own experiences, but I have seen plenty of handsome fellas who struggle with women because they have zero social skills. I have also seen other "average" men looks wise clean up due to their confidence and/or charisma giving them a huge presence that made women get wet who were in their proximity before they even had opened them.

Dude I don’t look ‘down’ on anecdotal evidence of some average guy getting a girlfriend or some lays.

But the term ‘Game with women’ never meant that in the first place.

It’s been morphed into including that on this forum it seems which is pretty confusing.

re your first point -“wether it’s true or it ain’t “
Well that’s the question isn’t it ?

because on your side , you have the anecdotal evidence of some guy getting a girlfriend or a few lays here and fhere.

whereas on my side , about what Game With Eomen really means , I have ALL the evidence.
That the guy who has that is ALWAYS a very good looking guy. ( or for the alternative has lots of Money and Status)
So in that sense Game With Women is circa 90% Looks and 10% how he does it.

not sure why that would upset you so much to try run me off the forum…

 

[Sega Genesis]

I'm sorry what? What crude remark did I make about anatomy?

I neither said nor implied anything about a man's anatomy. What are you referring to?

I was discussing chemistry/energy/attraction. And how looks play a role in that.

@Atom Smasher

Oh I see it now.

"do you mean connecting and investing in her mind first? Before expecting her to invest in your c0ck?"

Apologies I meant no offense...i was actually reiterating a quote another well-respected member made awhile back. Which I and several others agreed with and I have never forgotten.

If you want them to invest in your cahk, then you need to first invest in their mind.

It was a general statement, not related to you personally.

 

[Clockwerk50]

My point is this forum is way off .
It should primiarily be a LooksMaxxing forum.
Just for the older demographic.
And thsi behavioural ‘Game’ stuff is much overhyped and absolutely debated and poked to death , when it’s not even that important and doesn’t move the needle with women.

if a woman likes a guys Looks, she will make it easy for him - and that goes all the way down the scale of a man’s SMV, all down the tiers and leagues of women. If a lot of ‘Game ‘ is required something is wrong .

and if that’s is the situation the women is ‘Gaming’ the man, and not the other way around. She has just played him, not vice versa.
Cos the average woman is a lot more cunning than the average man.

Trust and believe it.

I am not trying to argue, and if this is your opinion, that’s fine. But if you acknowledge that money and status can compensate for looks, why are you so fixated on looksmaxxing while overlooking other ways men can become socially desirable?

Like the saying goes, all roads lead to Rome.

In his defence, this forum is probably fairly well suited to what he's saying/believes.

The main advice on this forum for a very long time, has basically been 'hit the gym and get your money up'. That's what this forum is kind of known for. That's the answer to every post where a guy asks how to get more girls or how to seduce his hot new neighbour who doesn't seem interetsed in him at all.

It's been decades since this forum would answer with 'gamey' replies and tell him what techniques to use to make her want him (with verbal examples for him to try and test)

Most PUA forums have gone now, but that sort of reply would be given by the coaches on skilledseducer. The poster would be told 'you need to use NLP verbals to hijack her brain. Use some embedded commands such as 'how does it feel when YOU ARE ATTRACTED? TO ME, it kind of feels like blablabla", tell her a story about YYY and point at yourself' etc etc. Use bubble words that force attraction inside of her even if you are obese and 100 and she's an 18 year old cheerleader' But not here. This forum will tell you to hit the gym, get at good looking as possible, and get your money up. (and rightly so, tbh)

Would you then say that OP is wrong about the forum, when most of the advice here already agrees with what he is saying? lol

 

[Bigpapa]

Would you then say that OP is wrong about the forum, when most of the advice here already agrees with what he is saying? lol

yeah, because you still have to socialize and know how to push things forward

I really doubt for example that someone that is fixated on looksmaxing and has homoerotic discussions is someone that you can enjoy grabbing a drink with, even as a guy

 

[Clockwerk50]

yeah, because you still have to socialize and know how to push things forward

I really doubt for example that someone that is fixated on looksmaxing and has homoerotic discussions is someone that you can enjoy grabbing a drink with, even as a guy

Not only that, but you can see how oblivious he is to how erratic, unpersuasive, and alienating his personality comes across to others. Those are some pretty obvious red flags when it comes to socializing with people.

OP should learn a thing or two from the book below.

 

[Barrister]

You’re still one of the best, Barrister.

Thanks, brother. It is genuinely great to have you back on here and hope you choose to stay for awhile.

 

[Barrister]

In his defence, this forum is probably fairly well suited to what he's saying/believes.

Unfortunately, I don't disagree with this. But it is certainly not the advice I gravitated towards as a blue pill guy fresh out of a nasty divorce and it most definitely is not what I have preached to other guys either going through that same struggle I was or who just wanted to know the best way to get laid here over the years. I think we can all agree that getting a good physique helps and that is why you go to the gym. Also, having $$ of course helps. No one has ever denied those things and "getting into the gym and getting your career going/improving it" is good, not bad, advice. We have had posters, many in fact, over the years who are hyper-fixated on looks and money and even some who go as far to say it is "all" that matters. Wrong.

To think that is "all" it comes down to when it comes to attracting women is missing half (maybe more) of the picture. If you think swag is completely irrelevant when it comes to picking up women you are dead wrong. And it isn't some cheap PUA tactic. It comes from confidence and knowing how to handle human beings with your charisma (not only women). That is what forges connections -- romantic and otherwise.

CJ, like other black pill posters before him, is seemingly missing this point.