"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Rate this guys face plz

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Following on from another thread.
I’d like to gather from youse guys how you would rate this guys face below on the 1-10 scale.
He has sunnies on here. But has eyes like the actor Raul Julia if that makes any difference.
J. Timberlake and late 90s Lionel Richie hybrid. There are more hideous resemblances a fella could be saddled with
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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They also like when they ask how can they find you and you tell them "just look for the guy with the biggest shoulders in the place and you'll find me." ;)
but its not like 90% your looks and 10% game then you reckon hey?… it’s your ‘personality ‘ right?

not having the biggest physical frame in the joint, Riiiight.
Next thing you’ll be telling me your 6’5 tall and have a great Face also. :rolleyes:
Again I must post the meme .

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but its not like 90% your looks and 10% game then you reckon hey?… it’s your ‘personality ‘ right?

not having the biggest physical frame in the joint, Riiiight.
Next thing you’ll be telling me your 6’5 tall and have a great Face also. :rolleyes:
Again I must post the meme .

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I didn't say I had the biggest physical frame. I said I had the biggest shoulders.

Deadlifting almost 600 lbs and trap shrugging almost 700 lbs tends to do that. Try it sometime and find out for yourself what it does for your shoulders.
 
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I didn't say I had the biggest physical frame. I said I had the biggest shoulders.

Deadlifting almost 600 lbs and trap shrugging almost 700 lbs tends to do that. Try it sometime and find out for yourself what it does for your shoulders.
thats just semantics or moving words around.
The widest physical frame or biggest shoulders, obvs is pretty similar to the biggest physical frame dude.

You havent mentioned how tall you are and how handsome your face is yet either
Complete the picture for me.

So whats the deal there with the rest of your Looks?

Edit; please dont be 6'5 tall with a face like George Clooney also. :rolleyes::rofl::lol:
Please bro...:cry:
 
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From the old lady:

I'm with BPH. Can't see his eyes and that matters. From what I can tell he's got a nice smile and isn't ugly, but he's not a headturner by any means.

You have Fabio as your avatar dude, which is funny. Why is that funny? My husband looks like Fabio and Christian Bale had a tall trim son. Blue eyes & long blonde hair, facial structure exactly like Bale except chiseled jawline & slighly thinner nose. They could pass for siblings.

And women's heads snap when my husband walks in. Women smile at him, constantly tell me how attractive he is....and he has a unique rebel/rocker style that is edgy/sexy.

If women aren't routinely approaching you or at least making interest very obvious (I mean VERY obvious) then a guy is not above a 7, and 8s may struggle at times. 9s or 10s are universally attractive but no individual appeals to ALL women 100% of the time. You can help yourself some with clothes/style but if you are doing the golf shirt & shorts or golf shirt & tailored pants look? Every other decent looking dude is doing the same thing.

Ditto confidence. You need it (and a handsome guy with poor confidence will in fact miss opportunities even if they drop in his lap....) but its in addition to looks, not instead of. Attitude/style/confidence can add a point or so to attractiveness, but it won't swing the scale enormously.

Charm can, so can fame or wealth.

And obviously its important to have your physique on point. That's a given.

So the advisable thing to do is look for women who DO act receptive toward you. If its not Sydney Sweeny? Welcome to real life pal. There are women interested in just about any guy.....and you fellas tell me women are too picky....

Come on guys.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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@Sega Genesis read the whole thread.
I said he had eyes like actor Raul Julia (. Who was a sex symbol) and I posted a pic of that actor for reference.

I also posted his likenice to George Clooney in facial proportions and general ratios.

he’s at least an 8 Face.
plus he was youthful looking and baby faced for his age.

you guys are all talking our your arses , underating face and coping like crazy.

Face (w sexy eyes )is the most important in a guys ability to pull women. a great face has the most appeal -by far. Because it’s pretty rare % wise.

why don’t you post some pics rather than describing with words? A picture tells a thousand words.

He was not a head Turner as he was only 5’8 lol.
Women didn’t even see him coming. But his game with women was legendary. Trust me.

And your husband looks like Fabio meets Bale does he? Yeah right haha … surrre he does.:rolleyes:

And you must be a 10/10 looking woman too of course. Obviously!
That hangs out on a men’s dating forum.

It all makes total sense!

Ps -we are in the same club babe. I’m a 10/10 also. For sure. Trust and believe. 100%
 
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Cos Ive known this guy for a years. He was a mentor and his game was insane.
It would smoke your game or anyone else on the forum most likely. And he would have surpassed your laycount too.
He pulled off some mad sh1t w women. With a completely different kind of Game.
dunno man, leaving out how that guy looks like

If that guy was a mentor of yours, have no idea what you learned from him because it seems like you are very much into the black pill

to me it sounds that you do not really believe that much in yourself and your confidence is not that high, and guess that you would rather blame your looks rather than other stuff that you can change about yourself

I am gonna give you maybe the best example of average maybe slightly above average dude that is super good with women. Pete Davidson

and that guy has no money or status. He is known mainly because he was hooking up with good looking women / stars. Some sort of a male kardashian


You know, pua at the essence is more right than wrong, especially when they talk about limiting beliefs and inner game

The problem with pua is that a lot of sociopaths and crooks wanted to monetize it and came up with a lot of bullsh1t. But there is more truth than bullsh1t if you strip away all the new age pua bullsh1t

red pill was created as a cope by guys whom did not had the mental strength, and black pill is red pill on steroids
 
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well that’s interesting BPH.
Cos Ive known this guy for a years. He was a mentor and his game was insane.
It would smoke your game or anyone else on the forum most likely. And he would have surpassed your laycount too.
He pulled off some mad sh1t w women. With a completely different kind of Game.

And re his face he was very Handsome, more like an 8 or 9 Face. You’re underrating him.
He was almost Clooney-Lite. W thick Latin hair, great hair.
And great ‘evil eyes’ like Raul Julia .

So your assessment is way off.
He was a proper Latin Seducer guy.
Why do you care so much about this?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Gay thread.
 

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Advice from the old lady:

I've been rated before back in the BigNeil days a few years ago on one of those rating services. It came back a "9" if memory serves. Yes my husband really does look like that, lol. Sometimes I tease him & call him Fabio when he's being fussy over his hair.

My avatar is me. Always has been. Its very tempting to post a photo of my man but for privacy purposes I do not.

The guy in the photo you posted is above avg., but looks are quite subjective. Above avg is not the same as very attractive.

And I for one don't find Raul Julia attractive at all. He looks like Billy Joel who is also not terribly attractive....but Billy Joel was with Christy Brinkley for awhile....because he was Billy Joel. Without the music career and fame? He'd have never met her or had no shot.

If women routinely throw themselves at you at the club or try to go home with you then you are very attractive. My husband has many stories like this, and never struggled to get sex. His stories are quite hilarious really. But he also felt objectified at times. The male model I dated and dropped in my late 20s (who the middle dude kinda looked like - but the model was more chiseled, darker hair, ice blue eyes, tall & trim) also felt objectified often by women. If you are having that issue (women objectify you - and you're over it)??? You are very attractive.

You are not having that issue my dear. So you are not as much of a standout as you think. Do you get laid at times? Sure. But you are WAY to weird about looks. Why? Because you don't have top tier looks. This is the rationale behind your obsession over looks. That is obvious AF.

Why wouldn't I be here? I offer a unique perspective and think the world needs more solid men.
 

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If women routinely throw themselves at you at the club or try to go home with you then you are very attractive. My husband has many stories like this, and never struggled to get sex. His stories are quite hilarious really. But he also felt objectified at times. The male model I dated and dropped in my late 20s (who the middle dude kinda looked like - but the model was more chiseled, darker hair, ice blue eyes, tall & trim) also felt objectified often by women. If you are having that issue (women objectify you - and you're over it)??? You are very attractive.
I get stared at especially with top off in summer, but we don't get those opportunities much in northern England. :cry:

Too old for clubs now.
 

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thats just semantics or moving words around.
The widest physical frame or biggest shoulders, obvs is pretty similar to the biggest physical frame dude.

You havent mentioned how tall you are and how handsome your face is yet either
Complete the picture for me.

So whats the deal there with the rest of your Looks?

Edit; please dont be 6'5 tall with a face like George Clooney also. :rolleyes::rofl::lol:
Please bro...:cry:
I'm 5'8" and have an "X" physique. Imagine NFL linebacker. Probably the closest comparison and something I have been told I resemble since I was 12 or 13 because of my broad shoulders.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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