"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Reddit is nowadays plastered with AFCs asking the same question; I dont have much luck/ get no matches or likes/ wwhat can I do to get more matches/ my ratio is I liked 1000 women while 3 liked me back

it seems like men get punished for being lazy. Men have been getting women WITHOUT Tinder for thousands of years, yet somehow it feels like the modern male cant do without OLD even though they have no success with it.. :rofl:
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Reddit is nowadays plastered with AFCs asking the same question; I dont have much luck/ get no matches or likes/ wwhat can I do to get more matches/ my ratio is I liked 1000 women while 3 liked me back

it seems like men get punished for being lazy. Men have been getting women WITHOUT Tinder for thousands of years, yet somehow it feels like the modern male cant do without OLD even though they have no success with it.. :rofl:
Well to be fair, dating ( especially post covid ) got even more complicated than what the historical norm was

and so the quality of women ( in terms of character and personality ), so till an extent I emphasize with the guys

as you need to put a lot of effort and the results are not there ( most of the times )

There is an epidemic of mental problems with both men and women, and no one seems to talk about it

ego is crazy high with both sexes these days which leads to frame wars
 
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Reddit is nowadays plastered with AFCs asking the same question; I dont have much luck/ get no matches or likes/ wwhat can I do to get more matches/ my ratio is I liked 1000 women while 3 liked me back

it seems like men get punished for being lazy. Men have been getting women WITHOUT Tinder for thousands of years, yet somehow it feels like the modern male cant do without OLD even though they have no success with it.. :rofl:
Exposé said it best bro.
“Seasons change”.
I saw data that in 2025 -65% of couples said they met via online dating.

guys. guys… please ofc it depends what you look like . OP rates himself as a 7 (or whatever)
But everyone has personal bias obvs.
He’s probably a 5 or sub5 smv in reality.
 

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Exposé said it best bro.
“Seasons change”.
I saw data that in 2025 -65% of couples said they met via online dating.
No I get that.

But heres the conundrum; a WOMAN who decides it time to be in an LTR WILL find a man because men wil literally line up. A man on the other hand ...he can "decide " its time for a " wife" and ZERO women will respond...

So 65 % of relationships were formed online and yet 65% of men dont date at all....

So 35 out of a 100 men date. A smaller percentage finds their partner online , still the 65% can remain accurate.

Its stats like these that leave men dumbfounded and confused. The definition of insanity is doing the same shyte while expecting different results.
 

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@ Gamisch
I edited my post re OPs looks and ofc that’s the main factor. For any guys on apps.
he’s probably 5 or sub5.

I can’t decipher your next point, you’ve moved on to something else.idk.
Apps are not great for finding “the one” no.
But for getting dates with reasonable looking chicks it’s working for me. I posted a screenshot of my # matches in this thread I think.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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But heres the conundrum; a WOMAN who decides it time to be in an LTR WILL find a man because men wil literally line up.
Yeah, very true this and
not discussed enough

a girl needs to be in the headspace to meet new guys, or for an LTR, etc

if she is not in the headspace for that, the courtship process will not go anywhere despite being the most perfect guy. Unless she is bipolar or any other mental problems

I also noticed that when a girl is focused on marriage she will play things very tight, more or less letting you know from the get go that she wants to marry and things have to progress fast. And noticed that at the end of the day it does not really matter with whom she would do it, as long as the guy is willing to give her what she wants

guess that this is how more “beta” guys get in ltrs and marriages, the woman settles for them

You can always lie to get the lay and then ghost her, but at the end of the day it is something that you can live with or not. Me personally I do not think is worth to smear your character for some p8ssy and I get plenty of failed courtships because not being willing to lie
 
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The nerd thing is a secret, until whatever girl you are talking to calls herself a nerd first. Then you can confess and it is something to bond over.
Makes sense. Attributes with a negative stigma to society should only be mentioned to relate to someone. By doing this, it becomes a net positive. In hindsight, this is obvious, and I feel silly for making such a rookie mistake. This seems like it's universally important, not just dating apps. Thanks for the reply.
 
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Can we have a serious discussion about whether these takes are delusional or not?

I bet the farm that you dont have no woman looking like these ready for action RIGHT NOW, and I doubt you'll have something similar in 2027

No diss, but I feel like you're rating scale is unrealistic. Most men would have to thank all the Gods and devils if they EVER get a sniff from women like these.
Please post a picture of a "5"/10 female, buddy. She will have to be healthy weighted, which for a 5ft4'ish woman is 108lbs > 142lbs. Thats what a healthy weight male 5 should be dealing with in a normal dating landscape. He shouldn't be stooping to fat 5ft4, 175llb pigs if he is a lean 5ft10, 163lbs man.

Let me guess, you're from Texas where the women are the same size as the SUV's or Trucks out there - so to you a fat disgusting Hog is a "mid", right?
 

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Please post a picture of a "5"/10 female, buddy. She will have to be healthy weighted, which for a 5ft4'ish woman is 108lbs > 142lbs. Thats what a healthy weight male 5 should be dealing with in a normal dating landscape. He shouldn't be stooping to fat 5ft4, 175llb pigs if he is a lean 5ft10, 163lbs man.

Let me guess, you're from Texas where the women are the same size as the SUV's or Trucks out there - so to you a fat disgusting Hog is a "mid", right?
To answer your question ; I'm from Europe.

Women here are more fit by default. But seriously; now I've been polite enough to answer your question please return the favor and answer mine;

1.Do you think those women youve posted are 5,s?

2. Do you think you would be able to seduce said women or would they ignore and /or reject you?

The problem with your way of rating women; its not realistic. It might be fun and games when you're behind your screen watching the pronhub or instagram models, but its not rooted in reality. A 5 ( to 6, which means right down the middle of the scale) basically means a " normal "looking woman. Make up , weight-loss, right clothes and she goes UP two points.

A 3 or lower would be a woman with a significant deficiency/error. A fat woman in a wheelchair. Old bald woman. A woman who's on crack or meth and sleeps on the street.
 
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It might be fun and games when you're behind your screen watching the pronhub or instagram models, but its not rooted in reality. A 5 ( to 6, which means right down the middle of the scale) basically means a " normal "looking woman. Make up , weight-loss, right clothes and she goes UP two points.
and what you have to compare is what you see, not what you think is under all the makeup and clothes. You can not compare a girl that you saw without makeup with one that has makeup on

but in most of the cases you will mainly see with the makeup on

I think this is also the reason why women are very insecure about their looks, because deep down they know they cheat and do not look like they do after they take off all the glitter and spice

I remember that at some point I was seeing this girl and I would me meh when I would see her without makeup and nice clothes on her. Even asking myself wtf I am doing

but then I would see her with makeup and nice clothes on and suddenly i would get instantly horny and think that she is super pretty

so you can easily get fooled even when you know that it is fake what you see and that is a fact
 
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Reddit is nowadays plastered with AFCs asking the same question; I dont have much luck/ get no matches or likes/ wwhat can I do to get more matches/ my ratio is I liked 1000 women while 3 liked me back

it seems like men get punished for being lazy. Men have been getting women WITHOUT Tinder for thousands of years, yet somehow it feels like the modern male cant do without OLD even though they have no success with it.. :rofl:
I have just seen the link. It strikes me as odd how everyone on reddit bashes him because he is apolitical (bots?). I'm apolitical too. This guy's bio was pretty similar to mine.

He even feels the need to apologize. Like seriously?

"Edit: Due to so many comments regarding this issue, I want to explain the 'apolitical' tag on my profile. My intention when saying I am 'apolitical' was to put across the fact ... "

Is there some kind of agenda going on against people that refuse to participate in the left vs right charade? I share the same opinion as this guy. Tired of clashing with people because of politics.

It seems to me that companies such as Reddit and match group have an interest in people taking sides. Politicians want to stay relevant after all ...
 
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I have just seen the link. It strikes me as odd how everyone on reddit bashes him because he is apolitical (bots?). I'm apolitical too. This guy's bio was pretty similar to mine.

He even feels the need to apologize. Like seriously?

"Edit: Due to so many comments regarding this issue, I want to explain the 'apolitical' tag on my profile. My intention when saying I am 'apolitical' was to put across the fact ... "

Is there some kind of agenda going on against people that refuse to participate in the left vs right charade? I share the same opinion as this guy. Tired of clashing with people because of politics.

It seems to me that companies such as Reddit and match group have an interest in people taking sides. Politicians want to stay relevant after all ...
I start to believe more and more that what is happening is a social experiment

divide and conquer

much more difficult when people are part of a community to conquer them
 

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Reddit is nowadays plastered with AFCs asking the same question; I dont have much luck/ get no matches or likes/ wwhat can I do to get more matches/ my ratio is I liked 1000 women while 3 liked me back

it seems like men get punished for being lazy. Men have been getting women WITHOUT Tinder for thousands of years, yet somehow it feels like the modern male cant do without OLD even though they have no success with it.. :rofl:
High specs for sure.
His bio is bland AF tho. Seriously , he needs to get his d1ck out a bit. It looks like just another bland, catch-all type bio. Tryna be cutesy and weak.
Zero humour , 1 dimensional.

He’d be better off with no bio at all vs that.
let the women fill in the blanks w their imagination based on just his looks.
 

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I’d add to above as I’ve had a proper scan thru all the pics -
His pic w the chick and pic wearing the suit he looks fantastic . Almost Chad tier in those 2 pics.
 

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I’d add to above as I’ve had a proper scan thru all the pics -
His pic w the chick and pic wearing the suit he looks fantastic . Almost Chad tier in those 2 pics.
Thats what I mean. I specifically posted this one because this is a normal/ good-looking dude who should have zero problems attracting women .

BUT, if you know you know...I know EXACTLY why he doesn't attract women. He's too vanilla. Too " John legend/ Bruno Mars". Too sweet, no sharp edges. Too bland for modern dating.. up untill 15 years ago this dude would've been happily married with a white picket fence and a golden retriever. Nowadays he's the back up/ back up / fall guy who gets cheated on constantly, always lingering in the friendzone.

Other dudes posting are worse looking than him and thus they have worse / similar results ( less than zero isn't possible, right?).

That's why I stated that men like OP might be better off by taking the L for now and leaving OLD all together .There are competitors who have better stats and even they yield bad results.
 
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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I have just seen the link. It strikes me as odd how everyone on reddit bashes him because he is apolitical (bots?). I'm apolitical too. This guy's bio was pretty similar to mine.

He even feels the need to apologize. Like seriously?

"Edit: Due to so many comments regarding this issue, I want to explain the 'apolitical' tag on my profile. My intention when saying I am 'apolitical' was to put across the fact ... "

Is there some kind of agenda going on against people that refuse to participate in the left vs right charade? I share the same opinion as this guy. Tired of clashing with people because of politics.

It seems to me that companies such as Reddit and match group have an interest in people taking sides. Politicians want to stay relevant after all ...
We're not allowed to be too political here , but I'll try to give my take on it as objectively as I can.

-The manospere been taken hostage by the alt right / right wing
-. A knee jerk reaction from men towards women's new found sexual freedom.
- frustrated men who seen generations of men in their family getting women effortlessly and now they all of sudden needing to be Chrish Hempsworth in order to attract a fat single mother
- men want to go BACK in time and bring back traditional roles, perhaps not understanding that it were women who got the short end of the stick.

Up untill two years ago it was cool to be MAGA . Now its a HUGE red flag to WOMEN( those creatures with that wet- wet between their legs that we want). Women collectively forcing men to adjust their views on life, love ,politics , religion ect. Those who dont like it get no play..

I leave it at that for now...
 
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Thats what I mean. I specifically posted this one because this is a normal/ good-looking dude who should have zero problems attracting women .

BUT, if you know you know...I know EXACTLY why he doesn't attract women. He's too vanilla. Too " John legend/ Bruno Mars". Too sweet, no sharp edges. Too bland for modern dating.. up untill 15 years ago this dude would've been happily married with a white picket fence and a golden retriever. Nowadays he's the back up/ back up / fall guy who gets cheated on constantly, always lingering in the friendzone.

Other dudes posting are worse looking than him and thus they have worse / similar results ( less than zero isn't possible, right?).

That's why I stated that men like OP might be better off by taking the L for now and leaving OLD all together .There are competitors who have better stats and even they yield bad results.
bit why suggest he leave OLD?

If as we both agree his profile is way too vanilla.
He could just revamp it . and add in the missing elements and turn it around completely. If he had the right advice.

OLD is just marketing .
He just needs to change the marketing and rebrand himself.
 
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bit why suggest he leave OLD?
Makes no sense to me.

If we both agree his profile is too vanilla.
He could just revamp it . and add in the missing elements and turn it around completely. If he had the right advice.

OLD is just marketing .
He just needs to change the marketing and rebrand himself.
it’s not about the marketing, the issue is supply and demand

sexy girls are not on old or not that active

whom are mainly active on old are sub par women + attention seekers

so if you look for a bit of quality, you will be disappointed no matter how “chady” you are

if you just want attention, then yeah the more “chady” you look the more likes you will get but in the vast majority of cases it will be from women whom you do not want to talk with or realize that they are just looking for attention
 

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it’s not about the marketing, the issue is supply and demand

sexy girls are not on old or not that active

whom are mainly active on old are sub par women + attention seekers

so if you look for a bit of quality, you will be disappointed no matter how “chady” you are

if you just want attention, then yeah the more “chady” you look the more likes you will get but in the vast majority of cases it will be from women whom you do not want to talk with or realize that they are just looking for attention
hmm yeah u could be right again BigPapa.
I see ChadFish experiments etc and the ease they get women, but I was always suspect on the quality of women Chads bang off apps, as that is never shown in the evidence. What’s the smv difference ..that matters

I cannot comment personally on higher tier women and unsure how much they use apps as tbh, I go the mid tier (and lower. ). Only occasionally get a sexy (and crazy) party girl. She’d still be only a sexy 7 tops at that.

I am not an insider in their world, unfortunately :(
All my study and practice of ‘Game’ never got me to the Promised Land :cry::cry::cry::mad:
 

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bit why suggest he leave OLD?
Makes no sense to me.

If we both agree his profile is too vanilla.
He could just revamp it . and add in the missing elements and turn it around completely. If he had the right advice.

OLD is just marketing .
He just needs to change the marketing and rebrand himself.
Because ( credit to @We_ArE_VeNOM who said this) ; men like to use OLD because they DON'T like rejections. Dude in his bio specifically says he " doesn’t like to approach women in bars and clubs".

So OLD gives the ILLUSION of not having to deal with rejection. But heres the conundrum; after swiping right on thousands of cute women and getting

no likes ,matches ,conversations and especially no dates and even more specifically no second dates and /or sex / relationships

it dawns down on a man that he's been rejected by ALL women who he swiped right on! 3786 rejections ...ouch!! While we do understand that women get exposed to (high value) men they would never be able to meet up untill a few ywars ago, simultaneously men are exposed to being rejected THOUSANDS of times in a short time span. We never talk about how OLD can kill a man's self esteem while he doesn't even leave his house! He might've been rejected more often than his previous four grandfathers together!

The "world " ,the dating scene , women collectively tell this man he is NOT attractive enough to even dip their toes into the the water and see what's he about!

So what's a man to do? A man has to accept that he's living proof of the definition of insanity because he keeps doing what he did while he expects a different result... he should leave OLD, level the F up and come back stronger !

I dont believe that a different sentence structure in his bio will change anything. Match.com.wants to milk him financially. He's a pay pig for the shareholders .
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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