Meritocracy does not exist

[jhonny9546]

Hi friends, Johnny here.

Further down the road, every man will understand some things.
How important was it for you to realize that meritocracy doesn't exist, that is, that putting in the effort doesn't necessarily lead to a certain result, but rather that nepotism exists, and that people with power, money or any other advantage will justify the fact you need to "work hard" on the things you want to achieve?

Meritocracy only exist with oneself.
Think about going out and working out.
After committing, doing the hard work, you will see progress and you'll be paid back by the things you've done.
That is the only meritocracy you'll see.

That said, how have you managed not to be discouraged and maintain "commitment" in your life, even though you know it's limited by the concept that meritocracy doesn't exist?

 

[Bigpapa]

That said, how have you managed not to be discouraged and maintain "commitment" in your life, even though you know it's limited by the concept that meritocracy doesn't exist?

Meritocracy does not exist from the simple fact that people who have now power/money etc, do not want to give it up

and meritocracy will always be a bargaining between being useful and being cheap enough

but there is a free world ( still ) where you are free to do whatever you want and with whom you want and hopefully a bit of luck will come your way

 

[quodlibet]

It doesn't exist only because "merit" is subjective.

At a business, you can be seen as a great employee or a **** employee. Just a different point of view.

Same with dating and women. No two women will see you as the same person.

 

[Bigpapa]

It doesn't exist only because "merit" is subjective.

At a business, you can be seen as a great employee or a **** employee. Just a different point of view.

Same with dating and women. No two women will see you as the same person.

in business they know very well who are the good and the bad employees

the question is if being a good employee gives you a higher chance to being promoted, and usually is no

because the higher you go, the more controllable your managers want you

if you are a good employee but are labeled as difficult ( because you do not execute stupid things just because your manager wants you ) , you will not be given a managerial position unless they really need someone to fix the big problem and they have no other choice

Otherwise they will prefer the bad employee whom is manageable and does what he is told to do, and just say that having “ leadership “ skills is more important than being good at what you do

same thing with women, they know very well whom are the good guys for LTR, but for example if she has a high ego she would prefer a lesser guy that does what she wants him to do, rather than a better guy who will challenge her

 

[quodlibet]

same thing with women, they know very well whom are the good guys for LTR, but for example if she has a high ego she would prefer a lesser guy that does what she wants him to do, rather than a better guy who will challenge her

Ask two women what makes a guy good for LTR and you'll get five answers.

The world is full of subjectivity. You just have to accept it.

My current girlfriend thinks I'm "very attractive" physically. I have no clue what she's talking about and certainly most women won't agree with her.

 

[Bigpapa]

Ask two women what makes a guy good for LTR and you'll get five answers.

The world is full of subjectivity. You just have to accept it.

My current girlfriend thinks I'm "very attractive" physically. I have no clue what she's talking about and certainly most women won't agree with her.

what do you want her to tell you, that you are not good looking? Haha

quite sure you told plenty of girls that you were meh about that they are sexy or beautiful or just said yes when they asked you if you find them beautiful

I do not want to sound like a d1ck, but most likely it was not your looks that secured the LTR. It rarely is looks or just looks alone

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Meritocracy absolutely exists.

It only doesn't exist inside some kind of fantasy world where things are fair.

The people who can game the system in their favor, for whatever reason, do so.

Those who don't complain that it's too difficult and it's not fair.

Live has always been a vicious Pareto distribution death match among primates, all who want to get into upper echelons of society.

Those who define the rules win the game.

That's meritocracy in it's rawest, apex-predatory form.

And guess what?

Ladies and money are attracted to those who claw their ways to the top of the food chain.

Nobody cares too much about those down at the bottom who are always complaining that it isn't fair.

 

[quodlibet]

what do you want her to tell you, that you are not good looking? Haha

quite sure you told plenty of girls that you were meh about that they are sexy or beautiful or just said yes when they asked you if you find them beautiful

Bro, you seriously missed the point. The point was, everybody's dating value is highly subjective. So there's no such thing as "merit" because everyone will judge you differently.

 

[Bigpapa]

Bro, you seriously missed the point. The point was, everybody's dating value is highly subjective. So there's no such thing as "merit" because everyone will judge you differently.

I do understand your point, but what I am saying that even in dating you will always have the winners and the losers

the guys in between will say that everything is subjective, and till a point they are right

But usually as guys tend to agree from a 7/10 onwards that a girl is sexy and from 3/10 downwards that a girl is ugly, same goes with women

what is in the middle is up to debate between a 4 and a 6

 

[BaronOfHair]

@jhonny9546 "That said, how have you managed not to be discouraged and maintain "commitment" in your life, even though you know it's limited by the concept that meritocracy doesn't exist?"

I realized that "merit" encompasses far more than how much effort one puts into an activity, and stopped expecting anyone to pat me on the head, in exchange for how hard I worked

 

[jhonny9546]

No two women will see you as the same person.

If they weren't from the same social circle.
If they were, then they'd think the same thing.

You won't be given a managerial position unless they really need someone to fix the big problem and they have no other choice.

Otherwise, they will prefer the bad employee who is manageable and does what he's told to do.

Listen, that's exactly the point.

I'd rather be looked down upon, be a lower rank, but I know that without me your company is out of business, than be a brownie who does things like a good guy.

That's why these men have high positions in companies, but also wives who don't respect them.
It's all about their feminine behavior that's rewarded in the workplace (seduction, games, tricks, taking advantage, backstabbing), while masculine behavior is rewarded in your inner peace and only with a few people who really know you.

they know very well whom are the good guys for LTR, but for example if she has a high ego she would prefer a lesser guy that does what she wants him to do, rather than a better guy who will challenge her

Well done, that's what I meant.
More than challenging her, I'd say he's respected.
That people who don't respect him are out of his life.