Concerning situation with my girlfriend

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I have been dating a single mom on and off for a couple of years. In the past I’ve broken up with her because my gut felt off, but I could never put my finger on anything concrete. Now that we’re trying to make it work in person after long distance, the same feelings keep coming back, and I’m trying to figure out if I’m overreacting or if my instincts are right.

She’s very comfortable telling small lies in social situations, like claiming it’s our anniversary when it isn’t, exaggerating stories about her family, or spinning quick narratives on the fly. It’s often framed as joking, but it shows she can be dishonest easily and then act like it’s harmless. Multiple times in public, I’ve felt she was clearly checking other men out in a way that felt deliberate. When I brought it up, she strongly denied it and flipped it back on me, making me feel like I was the problem for noticing.

She frequently makes indirect sexual comments and “jokes” about cheating, open relationships, “swapping,” and other partner-infidelity themes. When I’ve asked her to stop or told me these kinds of jokes hurt, she says I’m being too sensitive or “making a narrative.” She once asked if I wanted an open relationship, then later said she only asked because she thought I might want that. I don’t; I want a traditional, monogamous, long-term relationship, and I’ve been clear about that. She also shares unusually personal details with others, like discussing her birth control with a married former boss in a way that felt inappropriate.

She told me she basically doesn’t use Snapchat anymore and hasn’t in years. Later I saw that a message on her account was marked as opened. When I asked, she insisted she hadn’t used it and that it must be a glitch, even though the app doesn’t auto-open messages after a certain time. She doubled down instead of being transparent. Recently, I noticed some physical/sexual things that felt off. When I brought this up, she immediately got defensive, accused me of being paranoid, said she’s lonely in a new state, and suggested we just break up if I “feel that way.”

She has invested a lot (moved across the country for me, is affectionate, successful, good with her daughter, and in many ways quite traditional). But I no longer feel safe or secure in the relationship. I’ve repeatedly told her that loyalty and honesty are non-negotiable for me, and that the indirect sexual/cheating jokes and lies about loyalty-related topics really damage my trust. I don’t have concrete proof of cheating. What I do have is a pattern of small lies, persistent “jokes” about cheating and other partners, dishonesty when confronted about Snapchat, and defensiveness and victim-playing when I express my concerns.
 

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I don't even need to read past "I broke up with her before" and "trying to make it work in person after being long distance".

One chance per women per lifetime.

İf you have to "try to make it work" it simply doesn't work.

You are not compatible, she obviously is using you as a placeholder while she looks for other guys and is hiding it from you.

Also, in your mid 20s why are you dating a single mother?

This relationship is over, you can either do it the easy way and walk away now or the painful way and let her suck the soul out of you over how ever long it goes on swirling the toilet bowl.
 

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I have been dating a single mom on and off for a couple of years. In the past I’ve broken up with her because my gut felt off, but I could never put my finger on anything concrete. Now that we’re trying to make it work in person after long distance, the same feelings keep coming back, and I’m trying to figure out if I’m overreacting or if my instincts are right.

She’s very comfortable telling small lies in social situations, like claiming it’s our anniversary when it isn’t, exaggerating stories about her family, or spinning quick narratives on the fly. It’s often framed as joking, but it shows she can be dishonest easily and then act like it’s harmless. Multiple times in public, I’ve felt she was clearly checking other men out in a way that felt deliberate. When I brought it up, she strongly denied it and flipped it back on me, making me feel like I was the problem for noticing.

She frequently makes indirect sexual comments and “jokes” about cheating, open relationships, “swapping,” and other partner-infidelity themes. When I’ve asked her to stop or told me these kinds of jokes hurt, she says I’m being too sensitive or “making a narrative.” She once asked if I wanted an open relationship, then later said she only asked because she thought I might want that. I don’t; I want a traditional, monogamous, long-term relationship, and I’ve been clear about that. She also shares unusually personal details with others, like discussing her birth control with a married former boss in a way that felt inappropriate.

She told me she basically doesn’t use Snapchat anymore and hasn’t in years. Later I saw that a message on her account was marked as opened. When I asked, she insisted she hadn’t used it and that it must be a glitch, even though the app doesn’t auto-open messages after a certain time. She doubled down instead of being transparent. Recently, I noticed some physical/sexual things that felt off. When I brought this up, she immediately got defensive, accused me of being paranoid, said she’s lonely in a new state, and suggested we just break up if I “feel that way.”

She has invested a lot (moved across the country for me, is affectionate, successful, good with her daughter, and in many ways quite traditional). But I no longer feel safe or secure in the relationship. I’ve repeatedly told her that loyalty and honesty are non-negotiable for me, and that the indirect sexual/cheating jokes and lies about loyalty-related topics really damage my trust. I don’t have concrete proof of cheating. What I do have is a pattern of small lies, persistent “jokes” about cheating and other partners, dishonesty when confronted about Snapchat, and defensiveness and victim-playing when I express my concerns.
It sounds like compulsive lying disorder. I dated one of those a long time ago. The hallmark of it is that the lies don't make any sense or advance any clear agenda. A normal person lies to you because they want something, but a compulsive liar lies constantly because they can't help it.
 

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It sounds like compulsive lying disorder. I dated one of those a long time ago. The hallmark of it is that the lies don't make any sense or advance any clear agenda. A normal person lies to you because they want something, but a compulsive liar lies constantly because they can't help it.
Interesting, so you don't think it's tied to cheating or other fantasies? Again this girl is obsessed with me, almost co-dependent.
 

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I don't even need to read past "I broke up with her before" and "trying to make it work in person after being long distance".

One chance per women per lifetime.

İf you have to "try to make it work" it simply doesn't work.

You are not compatible, she obviously is using you as a placeholder while she looks for other guys and is hiding it from you.

Also, in your mid 20s why are you dating a single mother?

This relationship is over, you can either do it the easy way and walk away now or the painful way and let her suck the soul out of you over how ever long it goes on swirling the toilet bowl.
You're on to something I think. In terms of red pill theory, she probably sees me as Beta Bucks and providing longer term financial and emotional stability. That is why she introduced me to her kid so early. It is not a huge deal to me I know the red pill community is opposed to this. Again she is successful, a good mom, and her daughter is pleasant.
 

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You're on to something I think. In terms of red pill theory, she probably sees me as Beta Bucks and providing longer term financial and emotional stability. That is why she introduced me to her kid so early. It is not a huge deal to me I know the red pill community is opposed to this. Again she is successful, a good mom, and her daughter is pleasant.
Let me tell you something. You have told her your boundaries, but when push comes to shove, you won't enforce them.

That means you are not respecting yourself, which means she will not respect you either.

Boundaries are not for her, they are promises you make to yourself. Time to start respecting yourself.
 

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Interesting, so you don't think it's tied to cheating or other fantasies? Again this girl is obsessed with me, almost co-dependent.
Why do you want toxicity in your life? İs that something you enjoy?
 

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You're on to something I think. In terms of red pill theory, she probably sees me as Beta Bucks and providing longer term financial and emotional stability. That is why she introduced me to her kid so early. It is not a huge deal to me I know the red pill community is opposed to this. Again she is successful, a good mom, and her daughter is pleasant.
How old is she?
 

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Read the first two paragraphs and automatically concluded that you need to end this. No excuses, no but but buts, end it!
 

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Women like this are definitely not relationship material , she's good for fvcking and maybe as a mistress but you can't let women like this get too comfortable or too close

She understands the darker sides of her femininity and she knows how to act upon it , this is the type of woman you'd take on holiday and she would be in the pool actively trying to get attention from other men and engaging with them

They will gaslight , they will manipulate and they will cheat however the wind takes them

2 years ago I was in an Uber pool at like 2am on my way back from a party

We stopped to pick another passenger up it was some guy and a woman but it hadn't been booked for both of them , they had an argument she got in the uber and he walked off and left her.

She was in her late 30's we got chatting it took 15 mins to get to my place I asked if she wanted to come in for a drink 20 mins after that I was balls deep in her

It took this married woman about 40 mins to decide to come home with a random guy she met in taxi and fvck him

You gotta be very careful out there fellas.
 

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The only solution is to cut ties immediately.

You see fellas, THIS is why you NEVER move in with a womam or let her move in with you.

Now yous can't leave....

And then we got clowns claiming to be DJs saying marriage is the solution.
 

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Ok well she is pushing for marriage and to move in. She also claims this was a random username but her handle is Trophe almost like trophy. She is beautiful and in her 30s, a 9/10. I am considering sticking around but not in a serious relationship regardless of what she labels the relationship. I have enforced and set boundaries which she is always open to respecting but whether or not she upholds all of them is in question. I also recently mandated she get therapy which she has done. She has lots of past trauma, no dad, and physical abuse from mom.
 

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Women like this are definitely not relationship material , she's good for fvcking and maybe as a mistress but you can't let women like this get too comfortable or too close

She understands the darker sides of her femininity and she knows how to act upon it , this is the type of woman you'd take on holiday and she would be in the pool actively trying to get attention from other men and engaging with them

They will gaslight , they will manipulate and they will cheat however the wind takes them

2 years ago I was in an Uber pool at like 2am on my way back from a party

We stopped to pick another passenger up it was some guy and a woman but it hadn't been booked for both of them , they had an argument she got in the uber and he walked off and left her.

She was in her late 30's we got chatting it took 15 mins to get to my place I asked if she wanted to come in for a drink 20 mins after that I was balls deep in her

It took this married woman about 40 mins to decide to come home with a random guy she met in taxi and fvck him

You gotta be very careful out there fellas.
I actually have had an experience with a woman like this...I once fvcked a woman while I was on a cruise who told me she was single, then lol and behold I see her getting off the ship with a guy and holding hands with him...somehow she has her own room so not sure if that was her plan all along but that taught me to never trust what a woman tells you, because she was very upfront that she was single.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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The way she tests is because of her past. She has an anxious avoidant attachment style with low confidence. And because she hasn’t had a strong father figure she constantly tests. The problem is the tests go too far and are very covert which she’ll never admit to. I think you know what I mean. Like I understand the testing but on topics surrounding sex she knows it pushes my buttons but keeps on doing it. So she’s either toxic and testing and/or actually acting on them.
 

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The way she tests is because of her past. She has an anxious avoidant attachment style with low confidence. And because she hasn’t had a strong father figure she constantly tests. The problem is the tests go too far and are very covert which she’ll never admit to. I think you know what I mean. Like I understand the testing but on topics surrounding sex she knows it pushes my buttons but keeps on doing it. So she’s either toxic and testing and/or actually acting on them.
And I'll ask again. Why are you wasting time with this woman? She is toxic and damaged goods with children.
 

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what if you want children
Just impregnate a woman and leave it that. .

The chance that you will stay with her forevvah evah is slim to none anyway...might as well just GET your kid and accept it when things go south...

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I’m not sure that is the best strategy… I mean obviously if you’re well off and find a partner who has great genes and potential to raise a child. But that is a luxury. Ideally you find and or train a traditional woman who you can grow together with. Remember that Rollo Tomassi is married… There are other strategies of course.
 

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I’m not sure that is the best strategy… I mean obviously if you’re well off and find a partner who has great genes and potential to raise a child. But that is a luxury. Ideally you find and or train a traditional woman who you can grow together with. Remember that Rollo Tomassi is married… There are other strategies of course.
This woman is not viable for any of what you stated. You are delusional if you think otherwise. Sorry to be so blunt but you desperately seem to need a wake up call, OP.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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