You Were Not Cawkblocked. She Doesnt Like You

[Pandora]

Its important for men to be able to admit when a woman does not like them. My friend invited me on a date with a girl he had matched with online that day. He wanted to kill two birds with one stone. It was me and another guy with him. We have done this before and everything went fine. Ive known him for 2 decades.

I am charming with women because I been practicing since I was 17. I been on this site for 20 yrs. So this girl was talking to me the most. I was talking back but never in my mind was I trying to steal her. I would even try to redirect the convo to make it about them.

I called her his date and she made it clear that it was not a date. She even mentioned " you are trying to help your boy". Long story short we had a lot of chemistry. I made it clear that I was not interested because she should be with my friend. I even talked about his good qualities and tried to get her to go back to his house. She ended up ghosting him.

Now he feels like I cokbloked him. The other guy that was with us disagrees and just feels like she was not interested.

Side Note:

There is a girl I had been wanting to hang out with who was playing hot and cold. I had to admit to myself that she was just not interested. I dont know why men have such a hard time admitting this. Instead of being truthful they blame it on "cokblocking" or her playing "hard to get".

If a girls wants you then there is very little you can do to mess it up. Your vices turn into virtues. Its very simple.

 

[Mike32ct]

While it may have worked out ok for you guys in the past, I probably wouldn’t recommend bringing guy friends along on a first date.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Why would a guy ever want to have two other guys with him on a first date? Essentially that's asking her to decide which of the 3 guys she is more interested in.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I can't ever imagine taking a mate along to a first date with me , it's an utterly retarded move and I can't imagine many women aside from total SLooots would be cool with it

 

[Pandora]

While it may have worked out ok for you guys in the past, I probably wouldn’t recommend bringing guy friends along on a first date.

Yeh well she initially said she was bringing friends but didnt. I think he just wanted to hang with the boys too and was like " some girl from online wants to hang out". She hit him up last minute.

 

[Pandora]

I can't ever imagine taking a mate along to a first date with me , it's an utterly retarded move and I can't imagine many women aside from total SLooots would be cool with it

Yeh I understand. She randomly hit him up after he had commited to hanging with me. He also asked her to bring friends and she said cool but showed up alone. Me and him are so cool that it was never an issue before. Not on my side anyway.

It was at a bar so it was less formal than a dinner date. More like " come get drinks, my boys will be here too so bring your girls".

I did tell him next time you go on your own solo mission.

 

[Pandora]

Ive brought girls on first meetings to bars before. My friends have also been at these bars. I am of the philosophy that if she likes you then she likes you. If another guy can take her that easily then she was not very interested in you.

I also agree that it is not the wisest thing to do unless you really dont care too much if she gets taken. When I was dating I didnt care too much about most of the girls in that city.

 

[Pumax]

Men, women live with a romance novel mentality.
They want to fix the problematic man, and when they know they've done it, they move on to the next story.

Our logical minds think women prioritize things like status, money, fitness, connection, and romance. None of these things are problems she needs to solve.

Women's emotions are the opposite of our logic; they prioritize drama, turbulence, FOMO, and uncertainty because they satisfy their romance novel thinking.

Based on the offline world I see with my own eyes and my own experience, I can confidently say that Chad can be ghosted if he's good, and Brad can be f7cked if he's a jerk. If Chad is peaceful and chivalrous and provides certainty about his level of interest, he'll be ghosted by a Brad who causes chaos and uncertainty because that particular Brad seems more "preselected," so the woman feels more secure with him regardless of his looks, status, connection skills, etc.

Given this I do ask myself and all men here:
If this is the premise, and we men work for being the "chad" in this scenario, or to say, to become good one, mature man, we might want to accept we're becoming the opposite of toxic, which actually is what women do not seek.

 

[Gamisch]

Perhaps this will get some traction other then making it a thread of its own as it might be too deep for most men even on this forum;

If you are around other man you GOT TO BE the el chapo the el honcho of the friends group. Source: Instagram https://share.google/rEKZWFl6Q0ydEvYTd

Qoute" I need my man to be the leader of the pack".

This "friend" noticed this dynamic all too well. He is willing to ditch you for women / a woman and start a new life wherever. I've seen it happen COUNTLESS TIMES. Men like this don't care about "two decades ", all they care about is p00sy. And yes he will get taken to the cleaners.

You are a threat to him. Prepare for this friend to ditch you sooner or later. No way around it...

 

[Velasco]

There is a girl I had been wanting to hang out with who was playing hot and cold. I had to admit to myself that she was just not interested. I dont know why men have such a hard time admitting this. Instead of being truthful they blame it on "cokblocking" or her playing "hard to get".

If a girls wants you then there is very little you can do to mess it up.

from my experience this is only true when there’s a gap in attractiveness. i.e ur an 8 and she’s a 5. the closer the gap, the less straightforward. every very attractive girl i’ve been with there’s been some form of hot and cold bullsh1t. and it makes sense. an 8+ can get virtually anyone she wants. a 5 can’t.

 

[Jor-El]

I had a similiar scenario when I was younger,my mate invited me out with his then girlfriend,I was making her laugh and getting on with her, he did NOT like it one bit and started getting snippy with me....I wasnt flirting,just being myself,I never stopped to consider the dynamics.. Whaddya do, NOT be yourself ? Its a minefield. he was jealous ultimately

 

[characternote]

If a girls wants you then there is very little you can do to mess it up. Your vices turn into virtues. Its very simple.

Pretty much.

If you're just not her type, no amount of attraction material/'game', be it pushpull or NLP speed seduction, mm, or any other form of technique and verbals you read in books is gonna change it.

And yes, if she wants you, I also think it's hard to mess up,

Probably the hottest girl i've ever banged a year or so ago, made it incredibly easy for me. She was way out of my league (much hotter, much younger), but for whatever reason (I guess she had unusual taste?!) she thought I was really hot and was essentially the one chasing (I didn't even chase at all initially as assumed i'd have no chance with her lol).
I think it would have been hard to mess up and I don't remember doing anything remotely special at all to get her in bed lol.
She just wanted me.

 

[Velasco]

unusual

nowadays i can’t really say there are girls that are out of my league; just hot girls. but yeah ive had girls i slept with the same night i met them that were pretty straightforward. but like u said those are rare instances. therefore, if u want to sleep with a lot of them, you can’t rely on them. more often than not, they’ll give u their number and that’s where the “hot and cold bullsh1t” i was referring to comes to play.

I've seen text messages from his phone where girls have given him excuses on why they can't hang out, but he keeps talking to them and ends up banging most of them. Some he ended up dating for a while. I ask him why he sticks around when women are flaking and he says "Most of the time they're testing you to see how you react."

 

[Pandora]

I had a similiar scenario when I was younger,my mate invited me out with his then girlfriend,I was making her laugh and getting on with her, he did NOT like it one bit and started getting snippy with me....I wasnt flirting,just being myself,I never stopped to consider the dynamics.. Whaddya do, NOT be yourself ? Its a minefield. he was jealous ultimately

Exactly. I guess he also wanted me to not be myself. We are naturally charming to some women ( i am not trying to sound ****y but some women may find us funny). This chick was not even his gf. He met her 10 mins prior. I tried to wing man him but it backfried. He kept saying akward stuff to her.

I kept it light and funny. I was talking about astrology, and past lives etc. He wanted to argue with her about feminism etc.

 

[Pandora]

Pretty much.

If you're just not her type, no amount of attraction material/'game', be it pushpull or NLP speed seduction, mm, or any other form of technique and verbals you read in books is gonna change it.

And yes, if she wants you, I also think it's hard to mess up,

Probably the hottest girl i've ever banged a year or so ago, made it incredibly easy for me. She was way out of my league (much hotter, much younger), but for whatever reason (I guess she had unusual taste?!) she thought I was really hot and was essentially the one chasing (I didn't even chase at all initially as assumed i'd have no chance with her lol).
I think it would have been hard to mess up and I don't remember doing anything remotely special at all to get her in bed lol.
She just wanted me.

Sometimes you just get lucky. You didnt have to do much. No amount of "cawk blocking" would have stopped her from being attracted to you unless your friend literally punched you in the face.

 

[Pandora]

Perhaps this will get some traction other then making it a thread of its own as it might be too deep for most men even on this forum;

If you are around other man you GOT TO BE the el chapo the el honcho of the friends group. Source: Instagram https://share.google/rEKZWFl6Q0ydEvYTd

Qoute" I need my man to be the leader of the pack".

This "friend" noticed this dynamic all too well. He is willing to ditch you for women / a woman and start a new life wherever. I've seen it happen COUNTLESS TIMES. Men like this don't care about "two decades ", all they care about is p00sy. And yes he will get taken to the cleaners.

You are a threat to him. Prepare for this friend to ditch you sooner or later. No way around it...

So he is good at making money. I dont mind asking him for business advice. I am good at talking to some women. He even admits it. How come he dont ask me for some tips? It sucks man because I valued the friendship. I sent him a text message apologizing and still no response.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

If a girls wants you then there is very little you can do to mess it up. Your vices turn into virtues. Its very simple.

That doesn't happen in a vacuum, certainly if she hasn't interacted much with you.

If a girl doesn't know much about your personality but finds you physically attractive, the environment in which she gets to know you can be critical.

In that regard, I can see how you unintentionally (perhaps) made it a bit more difficult on your friend by being your natural charming self.

A good wing/friend would have made his buddy look good rather than try and steal the show, accidentally or not.

 

[characternote]

Sometimes you just get lucky. You didnt have to do much. No amount of "cawk blocking" would have stopped her from being attracted to you unless your friend literally punched you in the face.

I'd say it's always 'getting lucky' when someone pulls. In the UK, people always say 'did you get lucky last night?' as in 'did you pull'/'were any fish biting'.
The 'luck' bit is essentially finding a girl you think is hot who also thinks you are hot. It's not in our control so it's always luck, really.

I didn't think at the time of first reading it, but your post actually reminds me of an experience I had. In fact I even wrote a field report about it on this very site many years back when I wrote FR's. In brief, I approached a girl who seemed receptive, ran game, she bought me a drink and we flirted more and more. Was looking very much 'on' based on my experience up to that point.

Then my giga chad friend (who i've mentioned many times) simply walked over just to shake my hand to say hello.

Well, from that point, she only had eyes for him. Instant, super strong attraction. I was now invisible and she was chasing him so hard lol. He didn't even want her. I was still 'pua pilled' so done teh various tricks i'd read about in books to get her attention back on me (from being more fun than him to ignoring her to talking to other girls blablabla) - none of it mattered at all lol.

But I never 'blamed' my friend for 'c0ck-blocking' me. He done nothing wrong. He just extremely good looking and had that effect on her. I can't expect him to wear an ugly mask every time he walks into a bar haha

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I'd say it's always 'getting lucky' when someone pulls. In the UK, people always say 'did you get lucky last night?' as in 'did you pull'/'were any fish biting'.
The 'luck' bit is essentially finding a girl you think is hot who also thinks you are hot. It's not in our control so it's always luck, really.

I didn't think at the time of first reading it, but your post actually reminds me of an experience I had. In fact I even wrote a field report about it on this very site many years back when I wrote FR's. In brief, I approached a girl who seemed receptive, ran game, she bought me a drink and we flirted more and more. Was looking very much 'on' based on my experience up to that point.

Then my giga chad friend (who i've mentioned many times) simply walked over just to shake my hand to say hello.

Well, from that point, she only had eyes for him. Instant, super strong attraction. I was now invisible and she was chasing him so hard lol. He didn't even want her. I was still 'pua pilled' so done teh various tricks i'd read about in books to get her attention back on me (from being more fun than him to ignoring her to talking to other girls blablabla) - none of it mattered at all lol.

But I never 'blamed' my friend for 'c0ck-blocking' me. He done nothing wrong. He just extremely good looking and had that effect on her. I can't expect him to wear an ugly mask every time he walks into a bar haha

Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

 

[characternote]

Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.

doesn't matter how much your 'prepare' if you are not her type

which is why calling luck when skill meets preparation is just a comforting, optimistic, feel good soundbite which, when you actually hold it up to real life, falls apart.
It implies the universe is a meritocracy and that if you don't succeed, you just weren't skilled or prepared enough. Just nonsense. Life is wildly chaotic. Attraction, more so!