Are men dropping off from the dating business?

[corrector]

The Blackkpill just fosters more nihilism, as a guy who at one point was there, trust me I was at my lowest and fattest, but the worst was the mindset. The constant self-loathing, anger, etc. Got out of it by hitting the gym, made more money, but most importantly switching my mindset. in 2021 I was at such a euphoric state that people thought I was a madman, aww good times

Mindset matters, but it doesn’t change uneven outcomes — that’s the distinction I was making.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Mindset matters, but it doesn’t change uneven outcomes —

Your outcomes aren't likely to change, when your mindset remains weaker than chances of our universities purging themselves of Intersectionality anytime soon

 

[BaronOfHair]

The Blackkpill just fosters more nihilism, as a guy who at one point was there, trust me I was at my lowest and fattest, but the worst was the mindset. The constant self-loathing, anger, etc. Got out of it by hitting the gym, made more money, but most importantly switching my mindset. in 2021 I was at such a euphoric state that people thought I was a madman, aww good times

Yeah, one way to think about all of this:

Just as Neo-Nazi Skinheads of The 1980s saw their ranks plummet as that decade drew to a close, there were still others adjacent to that movement who revamped their entire act https://www.npr.org/2018/01/18/5787...lains-why-hate-drew-him-in-and-how-he-got-out 20:00-21:00

And when The 90s rolled around, these "refashioned" folks were showing up on prime time

+ Securing sympathy and allies among those who previously considered them enemies https://politicalresearch.org/2017/06/29/skin-game

There may be a portion of the male population who's "dropping off the grid", but there's still another cohort of fellas who are choosing to work with the world we currently have, then doing what's required in order to alter the public perception of men https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/lookmaxxing.285828/ The latter will be the men who truly change the game

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Yeah, one way to think about all of this:

Just as Neo-Nazi Skinheads of The 1980s saw their ranks plummet as that decade drew to a close, there were still others adjacent to that movement who revamped their entire act https://www.npr.org/2018/01/18/5787...lains-why-hate-drew-him-in-and-how-he-got-out 20:00-21:00

And when The 90s rolled around, these "refashioned" folks were showing up on prime time

+ Securing sympathy and allies among those who previously considered them enemies https://politicalresearch.org/2017/06/29/skin-game

There may be a portion of the male population who's "dropping off the grid", but there's still another cohort of fellas who are choosing to work with the world we currently have, then doing what's required in order to alter the public perception of men https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/lookmaxxing.285828/ The latter will be the men who truly change the game

The world itself needs to be changed, Baron. Working with the world we currently have isn't "truly changing the game"

 

[BaronOfHair]

The world itself needs to be changed, Baron. Working with the world we currently have isn't "truly changing the game"

Work with what you currently have, and you have a shot at building upon that, by extension changing the world. More of us simply refusing to look like neckbearded keyboard warriors who live at Comic Con 24/7, whenever we walk out of the house, would drastically reduce the level of prejudice and biases towards men in our society

Same way Neo-Nazis growing their hair out, throwing on Armani, and modifying the way they spoke won them sympathy and even support among both the mainstream public and even former enemies

 

[MatureDJ]

Mindset matters, but it doesn’t change uneven outcomes — that’s the distinction I was making.

Mindset Cope

 

[intricate design]

There are no top dudes anymore.

women are making more money than men now. They don’t need us.

A woman’s boyfriend is now basically her smartphone. And she has the government to protect her

and I think the harshest thing that divided us was the me too movement of fraudulent rape cases. And how divorce court is designed to destroy men. I mean, how much worse can you treat men?

 

[zekko]

There are no top dudes anymore.
women are making more money than men now. They don’t need us.

When I was a lad, it was still the 1960s, and I remember those days in my mind. In those days, there were career girls, but most women had to marry men in order to obtain security for themselves. Most men at that time still supported their wives as the sole breadwinner. So men were considered a "catch", finding a husband was a major objective for young women. The median marriage age in the '60s was 20 years old (if you can imagine that)! 80% of women were married by the time they were 30.

Obviously that was a very different world, but men have lost that role, not only to women working, but to the government. You can imagine how much more sought after an eligible bachelor was in those days, compared to today though. It's really pretty mind blowing how much things have changed.

 

[intricate design]

Yeah the conspiracy theorist in me thinks it was all done by plan.

also look in the USA how the women are all liberals and they hate conservative American men. But they also vote for jihadists from Muslim countries (with highly conservative values) that want to destroy America

You know what I’m saying? It’s the same way with the millions of illegals that poured in illegally from south of the border: Conservative Latin American men. The liberal women want to protect these illegal aliens but they’ll call the cops on a conservative American man just for saying hi

 

[Dash Riprock]

Plenty of women complaining in their ridicolous tiktok videos and as many doing the same on youtube.

I'm a middle aged men so I'm not aware of what people in their 20s is up to yet reading and listening online as much as in real life make it seems to me that there is some truth behind it.

At first I agreed that top shelf guys simply had no reason to and that women were all over that top 10% while ignoring the rest of the men but now it really seems even the upper average guy left the table despite having a shot.

I often see tables made of women only in bars and restaurants while 20 years ago it was impossible to consider a decent looking girl (humanoid form) that didnt have someone taking her out or giving any attention to her.

I notice a certain "fatigue" and general exhaustion from most men not just when it comes of marriage (which is a failed institution for millennials and zoomers) but even conventional dating or investing anything more than few quids with a temporal horizon of 2 hours max.

Long term dating and pre planning is disappearing as much as effort/investment.
Even dating apps are collapsing while the club scene is a wasteland.

What do you think?

Personally I'm not surprised about this outcome, I'm surprised it didnt happen earlier.

My observations:

I think causal, non-committal type relationships are much more common. “Situationship” is another word to describe them. Kind of this gray area between friendship, dating, and casual sex. Both people are willing participants and also see other people. Situationships are instigated by women when they like a guy, are “kind of” attracted to him, but feel they can do better, so they keep their options open usually on dating apps. Situationships are instigated by men when they are top 10-20% and want to have s*x without the commitment of a relationship. Many women are ok going along with this, sharing the guy, hoping one day the guy will “come to his senses” and “pick” them.

Most men of value (top 10-20%) are not actively looking for LTRs or marriage. This is what frustrates women. They can get dates with these guys but cannot get them to commit because the guys don’t want to be tied down and are well aware of the options even a HB5 has today. Plus, in addition to the obvious high risk of marriage and almost net zero ROI for the man, they’ve also likely seen first-hand the demands today’s women have in dating along with the bad behavior and are not willing to go all in. So, they have s*x with them, hang out on occasion, and that’s it.

So most women today, if they want a LTR or marriage, are picking through regular (bottom 80%) guys that are not top 20% material. Decent guys, but very average. Women feel they can do better but can’t land better so they vent on YouTube and Instagram. I’ve seen these videos too, a lot of them. It wasn’t always this way, but with social media and online dating creating the Paradox of Choice for attractive men and most women (even very average ones), this is the new normal.