How would you handle these AMOG/Men disrupting you with women, tactics?

[Jesse Pinkman]

So I have seen these commonly used by guys when doing nightgame myself and I was wondering how you all would respond to these. For those that do not know what an AMOG (Alpha Male the Other Guy) situation is, it is when you are talking to a girl, usually at a bar/club/lounge, and a random guy comes in with the intention of either taking your girl or just ruining your interaction.

The two common ones I have encountered are:

"Have you got a lighter?"

"How do you two (or you all) know each other?"

What I have learned in dealing with these situations:

1. Law of least effort - Do not put too much or even any energy in talking to the guy

2. If the girl is really into you, she will diffuse the situation for you as long as you just focus on her and not the guy

3. If you can, focus on the girl and ignore the guy completely.

What I would do.

The Lighter interruption.

I would handle this in a variety of ways.

1. Immediately change the topic fast after the question and pretend like he didn't even ask it, even position my body between him and the girl so I am blocking her off.

So for the lighter, I would simply say "and as I was saying", and block the guy off physically.

2. The "One second man" rule.

I would say "wait just one second bro", and then ignore him and talk to the girl, putting my back to him so he gets the hint.

3. Answer for the group and say no, then go right back to the topic, making sure my body is between him and the girl.

"No we don't, and as I was saying so we traveled to"

"How do you two know each other?"

This I would handle in a different way as it is a trickier disruption.

1. Joke in some way and say "we've been married for 90 years" and then immediately go back to talking to the girl and ignoring the guy, never giving him full eye contact.

2. The "wait, one second man" line, and then go back to the conversation, and subtly put your body between him and the girl. Then if he asks again just say "wow, he really wants to interview us, so this is my wife Roxanne and we are celebrating out 100 year anniversary, anyways, as I was saying" (turn to the girl and ignore guy again).

But I love to hear better Game advice from the pros.

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[Bokanovsky]

The two common ones I have encountered are:

"Have you got a lighter?"

"How do you two (or you all) know each other?"

1. No
2. Arranged marriage

 

[BPH]

@Jesse Pinkman I'll be honest, I can't think of the last time this happened to me while talking to a girl. I'm 6ft tall, 220lbs, so I'm not most guys' first choice when it comes to looking for somebody to try and punk. Regardless, here's how I'd handle these:

Lighter? - "Sorry man, I don't" or "Nah I don't smoke, sorry". It's simple, it's polite, and it doesn't open the door for the person to continue the conversation beyond the ask. You address them briefly, then get back to your conversation.

How do you know each other? - I would answer this sarcastically. Something funny like "Her? Well, she's going to be my future ex-wife, so right now we're planning the wedding, but later we're gonna talk about who gets the kids in the divorce". Then return to your conversation. Unfortunately, if a guy is so brazen as to interrogate you like this, there's a good chance he's committed to blowing up your set, in which case, there's little you can do. That simply becomes a lose-lose situation. If you can, relocate, but I would also never turn my back on a guy I just blew off in front of the girl he likely wants for himself.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I believe that no matter the planning or the execution, it's up to the girl to decide how that goes.

If she likes you no matter what he says or does, its not gonna get him anything.

If she is lukwarm toward you even if you manage to shut him off or even make it ridicoulous for him to hold position (like when you cut him out and block him), she can still reapproach him and engage him.

Once I was with a fwb of mine at the club and this guy (actually taller and better looking than me) approached her openly and told her that she was beautiful then pointing at me and said that I was not.

She said "thank you and I agree" with a big smile than looked at me awaiting direction, I just grabbed her hand and took her to the smoking room which was the less noisy place in the club...even said "cheers" to the guy while leaving.

In such conditions it's entirely up to the girl unless you're some thug from dagestan who wants to train his ground&pound game at the bar.

 

[sevbucmash]

How you two know each other? I ****ed her.

 

[plumber]

Had a guy (bigger) than me approach my table and ask me if he can dance with the girl. I just told him, its up to her. She immediately said, I am with him (me). I literally did not do much, but somehow they guys face got the fear in it, started apologize and left. I did nothing.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I believe that no matter the planning or the execution, it's up to the girl to decide how that goes.

If she likes you no matter what he says or does, its not gonna get him anything.

If she is lukwarm toward you even if you manage to shut him off or even make it ridicoulous for him to hold position (like when you cut him out and block him), she can still reapproach him and engage him.

Once I was with a fwb of mine at the club and this guy (actually taller and better looking than me) approached her openly and told her that she was beautiful then pointing at me and said that I was not.

She said "thank you and I agree" with a big smile than looked at me awaiting direction, I just grabbed her hand and took her to the smoking room which was the less noisy place in the club...even said "cheers" to the guy while leaving.

In such conditions it's entirely up to the girl unless you're some thug from dagestan who wants to train his ground&pound game at the bar.

Had a guy (bigger) than me approach my table and ask me if he can dance with the girl. I just told him, its up to her. She immediately said, I am with him (me). I literally did not do much, but somehow they guys face got the fear in it, started apologize and left. I did nothing.

This is pretty much it. Regardless of your approach or the rapport you’ve built, if you just met her, if you’re stuck in the friend zone, or even if you’ve been long-time FWB, if she likes another guy better, she’ll make it known.

I already mentioned the story about the time I was at a club. I went to talk to a girl, and she directly told me she liked one of my friends better, so I had to pass the ball to him.

There was another instance when I was hanging out at a booth with a couple of girls. I was talking to one of them, and then this guy showed up late to join us—a Brazilian rapper who now seems to be a graffiti artist. Literally minutes later, the girl started to distance herself, became less friendly, and later that night they ended up hooking up.

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[CornbreadFed]

Usually it’s other jealous women not men

 

[inquisitor]

I believe that no matter the planning or the execution, it's up to the girl to decide how that goes.

I don't think so.

You have to be proactive. What's the point of opening to her and talking to her if you're going to let her leave anyway? Do you really want her if you're letting her leave?

Of course, never be desperate, but both the girl and the other guy should know who's really in charge here, so let them know you're in charge.

If she ever does leave (which I very much doubt she will, knowing you got to her first and you played your cards right for her to be talking to you already), you better make sure you're having more fun with the next girl, and make sure she sees and gets envious. She has to - you're her loss, after all.

 

[Vanderdonck]

"How do you two know each other?"

Craigslist.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I don't think so.

You have to be proactive. What's the point of opening to her and talking to her if you're going to let her leave anyway? Do you really want her if you're letting her leave?

Of course, never be desperate, but both the girl and the other guy should know who's really in charge here, so let them know you're in charge.

If she ever does leave (which I very much doubt she will, knowing you got to her first and you played your cards right for her to be talking to you already), you better make sure you're having more fun with the next girl, and make sure she sees and gets envious. She has to - you're her loss, after all.

I'm very selective with my effort and if a girl is either lukewarm or require constant work, I'm more than glad to let her go to whoever she likes more.

I dont do interactions with girls that dont genuinely like me and for sure I dont put work in it.

Unless the desire is mutual and raw, I dont consider the hassle of courting and gaming worth it.

 

[nicksaiz65]

The “one second bro” and physically blocking the AMOG have worked pretty well for me.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I've clubbed all over the US. I've never experienced this.

 

[Solomon]

@Jesse Pinkman I'll be honest, I can't think of the last time this happened to me while talking to a girl. I'm 6ft tall, 220lbs, so I'm not most guys' first choice when it comes to looking for somebody to try and punk. Regardless, here's how I'd handle these:

Lighter? - "Sorry man, I don't" or "Nah I don't smoke, sorry". It's simple, it's polite, and it doesn't open the door for the person to continue the conversation beyond the ask. You address them briefly, then get back to your conversation.

How do you know each other? - I would answer this sarcastically. Something funny like "Her? Well, she's going to be my future ex-wife, so right now we're planning the wedding, but later we're gonna talk about who gets the kids in the divorce". Then return to your conversation. Unfortunately, if a guy is so brazen as to interrogate you like this, there's a good chance he's committed to blowing up your set, in which case, there's little you can do. That simply becomes a lose-lose situation. If you can, relocate, but I would also never turn my back on a guy I just blew off in front of the girl he likely wants for himself.

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Had a guy (bigger) than me approach my table and ask me if he can dance with the girl. I just told him, its up to her. She immediately said, I am with him (me). I literally did not do much, but somehow they guys face got the fear in it, started apologize and left. I did nothing.

This is golden....

I actually did something once.I approached these girls talked too them it was a group of 4, some guys came trying to amog, I flipped it around and had the guys offering to buy us all drinks(myslef included). I ended up using him as a insta-wing I got the girls number I wanted and a free drink, nothing happend though (funny thing I did run into the girl a couple months later cause she lived in the same apaprtment complex as a buddy of mine who was moving out, we talked a bit but I didn't try to reingage cause she was hot mess i.e.drama in her life)

 

[MatureDJ]

I've clubbed all over the US. I've never experienced this.

But you are attractive enough to be on a statue.

 

[MatureDJ]

Had a guy (bigger) than me approach my table and ask me if he can dance with the girl. I just told him, its up to her. She immediately said, I am with him (me). I literally did not do much, but somehow they guys face got the fear in it, started apologize and left. I did nothing.

 

[Prepostereax]

I've never had this issue.
If anything, the opposite (ie a guy might come up and congratulate me on my good taste).

The worst I've experienced is some guy trying to cut in on the dance floor, which is more due to them being drunk or high, than about any woman.
They just end up looking like drunken fools.

Usually it’s other jealous women not men

Yeah, if anyone is doing any c0ckbl0cking, it's gonna be the 'mother hen'

OP is in Europe though, which may have different cultural norms.

When I travelled Europe (Asia too), I carried a lighter, even though I don't smoke.
It can be a good opener, not just for women, but in general. Smoking is more prevalent overseas.
I like the type that act as a mini-blowtorch (? for cigars). Let it off an inch from someone's face, they jump every time!

 

[CornbreadFed]

OP is in Europe though, which may have different cultural norms.

I believe he lives in Maimi, but he is a Francophile

 

[RangerMIke]

I believe that no matter the planning or the execution, it's up to the girl to decide how that goes.

This. You really don't have any control of what the woman decides she wants to do. If she like you, she'll shoot the guy down if not there are too many women in the world to get into some weird awkward competition with some dude you don't know.

This never really happens to me because I don't do "sets". A little light conversation, then get her number or try to make a date then move on.

 

[Cheeky_James]

This happened to me a lot back in the day in NightGame.
I even recall RSD Todd got a black eye out doing a bootcamp here down under, back in the day.

There was an old school PUA that had great framing stuff on dealing with AMOGS imo.
The PuA guy that wrote ‘M.A.C.K Tactics.’
But his name escapes me.
very good strategies he had….
It was on an interview series with Carlos Xuma.