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I'm in Arizona trying to get a feel for the place. Matched with a couple girls on the dating apps and have a tentative date set for tonight. The bars are open until 2AM so I suggested we meet up around 10PM. She wanted to grab something to eat so I made sure this place served food until 12AM, I figure we get the best of both worlds at this spot.

However, she's telling me now that she was hoping to be home by 10PM because she has to be up at 5AM. Friday she has a holiday party and Saturday morning she's leaving for Indiana.

She is very high interest, but I don't think this makes sense logistically anymore. Curious if any of you guys would still try to see this through, or whether you'd invest that time elsewhere.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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Depends if I had anything else to do. If not, I'd adjust my time to make it work.
 

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Depends if I had anything else to do. If not, I'd adjust my time to make it work.
Anything else would be just visiting the numerous local bars within walking distance and trying to meet women out there.

Hypothetically, if I were to go to the gym right now, I could be done and showered and cleaned up by maybe 6:30PM, so let's say optimistically we would meet up at 7PM.

That's 3 hours to meet, decide whether we like each other, go back to my place, and hook up. Her Hinge profile also reads that she's Christian and has selected "Life partner" for what she's looking for...but that's pretty much what every girl's profile reads like over here.
 

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First, clarify your goal here. Are you trying to sleep with her? Are you looking to hang out and meet someone new? How strong are your other options? And realistically, what else can you do after 10:00 pm if she’s not available?

Honestly, the 10:00 pm curfew makes it harder to sleep with her tonight simply because of the time constraint. On top of that, it sounds like she may not be available to see you again before she leaves the state.

If we’re talking specifically about this girl, and if I were you, I’d still see her today. If things go well, maybe she can meet you after her holiday party tomorrow night, or you could visit her in her state, or she comes to yours, or you fly out to Indiana or wherever. Who knows, she might even be willing to stretch her curfew once you’ve spent time together and it is only using it as an excuse in case it doesn’t work out.

That said, I’d also line up something to do after 10:00 pm that’s more promising, just in case. @We_ArE_VeNOM @BillyPilgrim @GoodMan32 and I think @BeExcellent all live in Arizona lol
 

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First, clarify your goal here. Are you trying to sleep with her?
Yes, which is why I don't think this makes sense in my head.

Anyway, I'll see it through. I'm gonna go work out now and try to accommodate her schedule. There's another girl who texted me back that freed up her night, so I'll try to see her after this girl (if things don't go super well), and if that falls through I'll just explore.
 

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Anyway, I'll see it through. I'm gonna go work out now and try to accommodate her schedule.
I'm a night owl myself, but I can't really blame her here. 10 pm is a late time to start a date for some people, girls especially.
 

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Does she have a regular job? Staying out at bar until 2am on a week night doesn’t sound appealing unless I am an under performing college student or bum? I think this is a misfire on your part lol.
 

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I'm in Arizona trying to get a feel for the place. Matched with a couple girls on the dating apps and have a tentative date set for tonight. The bars are open until 2AM so I suggested we meet up around 10PM. She wanted to grab something to eat so I made sure this place served food until 12AM, I figure we get the best of both worlds at this spot.
Never take a chick out on a date, before you establish sexual interest first.

That was a beta-simp move, Chad.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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Yes, which is why I don't think this makes sense in my head.

Anyway, I'll see it through. I'm gonna go work out now and try to accommodate her schedule. There's another girl who texted me back that freed up her night, so I'll try to see her after this girl (if things don't go super well), and if that falls through I'll just explore.
The time limit isn’t only to manage your expectations, but hers as well, and to keep the interaction framed and comfortable if things start moving in a direction she doesn’t want, whatever that is. If she really wanted to stay out longer, there’s no real reason she couldn’t call in sick the next day.
 

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Turned out to be a waste of time.

I'm already back, wasn't even there an hour. I'm not even sure where the disconnect is because so many things went the opposite of how I thought they'd go based on her interest level over text.

She arrived on time, but she was wearing like a suit jacket over her outfit because 60 degrees is cold for her here. Quick hug, walked in, got a seat at the bar, and ordered a drink. Apparently she prefers wine, but didn't like anything they had on the menu, so she ordered a High Noon that she didn't even finish. She also mentioned that she ate before she came, so the fact that this bar served food was a factor I could've ignored entirely. I noticed she hadn't gone through the trouble of doing her nails. Conversation went well enough, but wasn't really flirty, and when asked if she wanted to play pool she got conscious of the time and thought she should go. I offered to walk her to her car, but she declined, gave me a hug, and left.

I'll keep this experience in the back of my mind the next time I consider altering my schedule to accommodate hers.
 

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Turned out to be a waste of time.

I'm already back, wasn't even there an hour. I'm not even sure where the disconnect is because so many things went the opposite of how I thought they'd go based on her interest level over text.

She arrived on time, but she was wearing like a suit jacket over her outfit because 60 degrees is cold for her here. Quick hug, walked in, got a seat at the bar, and ordered a drink. Apparently she prefers wine, but didn't like anything they had on the menu, so she ordered a High Noon that she didn't even finish. She also mentioned that she ate before she came, so the fact that this bar served food was a factor I could've ignored entirely. I noticed she hadn't gone through the trouble of doing her nails. Conversation went well enough, but wasn't really flirty, and when asked if she wanted to play pool she got conscious of the time and thought she should go. I offered to walk her to her car, but she declined, gave me a hug, and left.

I'll keep this experience in the back of my mind the next time I consider altering my schedule to accommodate hers.

Sounds like a very typical swipe app date where two strangers meet have absolutely nothing in common aside from both being on the app

If you are experienced enough to be offering coaching with women you should be experienced enough to know this woman was a control freak , wants a place with food , wants to leave by 10pm up by 5am

give me a break

Ive read a few of your posts and there's a constantly recurring theme where you seem to be wanting to date / sleep with absolutely any woman you have any type of interaction with

You need to filter better
 

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I'm not sure why you set it so late for a Thursday night...

IMO, if the girl wants to fvck, she will fvck you at 8pm or 1am, it doesn't matter.
Because the night is more conducive to the lay. Her night would END with me, not START with me.

I agree about your 2nd point though, which is why I asked this question in the first place. If she were THAT interested, she wouldn't have brought up the curfew and would've found a way to make it work with her schedule.

Sounds like a very typical swipe app date where two strangers meet have absolutely nothing in common aside from both being on the app

If you are experienced enough to be offering coaching with women you should be experienced enough to know this woman was a control freak , wants a place with food , wants to leave by 10pm up by 5am

give me a break

Ive read a few of your posts and there's a constantly recurring theme where you seem to be wanting to date / sleep with absolutely any woman you have any type of interaction with

You need to filter better
I don't know where this animosity comes from...you're not the one who jumped through hoops and wasted time tonight. Originally, I wasn't going to bother.

I wanted to grab drinks. She wanted to grab dinner. I tried to find a middleground. Maybe that didn't work for her. Either way, if she took issue, she didn't voice it prior to meeting.

I don't know know where you're getting the idea I want to sleep with any woman I can...the reason I haven't posted a new Lay Report in a while is BECAUSE I'm not taking any woman that comes my way, numb nuts.

I'm halfway across the country trying to figure out if I like the area more than Delaware or Philadelphia, so yeah, I would want to like the women here more than back home too.

EDIT: She just texted me that she's looking for something long-term and didn't realize I was only here for the week. So there's the reason.
 
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What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Because the night is more conducive to the lay. Her night would END with me, not START with me.

I agree about your 2nd point though, which is why I asked this question in the first place. If she were THAT interested, she wouldn't have brought up the curfew and would've found a way to make it work with her schedule.



I don't know where this animosity comes from...you're not the one who jumped through hoops and wasted time tonight. Originally, I wasn't going to bother.

I wanted to grab drinks. She wanted to grab dinner. I tried to find a middleground. Maybe that didn't work for her. Either way, if she took issue, she didn't voice it prior to meeting.

I don't know know where you're getting the idea I want to sleep with any woman I can...the reason I haven't posted a new Lay Report in a while is BECAUSE I'm not taking any woman that comes my way, numb nuts.

I'm halfway across the country trying to figure out if I like the area more than Delaware or Philadelphia, so yeah, I would want to like the women here more than back home too.

EDIT: She just texted me that she's looking for something long-term and didn't realize I was only here for the week. So there's the reason.
I get that part, but I just think on a Thursday night that's probably expecting a bit much.

On a Friday or Saturday night, sure...unless it's some sort of holiday the next day I think expecting someone to be out past 1am on a Thursday night is asking a lot...
 

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I get that part, but I just think on a Thursday night that's probably expecting a bit much.

On a Friday or Saturday night, sure...unless it's some sort of holiday the next day I think expecting someone to be out past 1am on a Thursday night is asking a lot...
Also agree, but I'm just working within the constraints of when she was available.

She has to be up early in the morning for work, has a holiday party after that, then flies out to her family for Christmas Saturday morning.
 

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She is very high interest,
EDIT: She just texted me that she's looking for something long-term and didn't realize I was only here for the week. So there's the reason.
Oh, she's one of those... :)
What I gather from this is that perceived interest from texting over an app is 100% meaningless and wonder why she didn't cover such basic info such as where you live before setting up the date.
 
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