Have been doing cold approach street game for months. Am getting very little results. Soliciting feedback on routine.

[SW15]

Tonight, I switched to doing direct opens ("Hi there; this is gonna sound random, but I just thought you looked really nice and wanted to say hi. I'm [name]", followed by unscripted back-and-forth banter (without mentioning my hair) and teases, and was able to get 2 phone numbers from 3 approaches, including the first one I did.

Still too apologetic, but certainly better. Take away "This is gonna sound random...." adjust & see what works best for you.

Direct opens are better than what you were doing. I agree on taking away "This is gonna sound random" too.

Opening with a compliment to their looks is somewhat controversial in seduction circles, but some have produced results with that.

You're still not setting the date in person and depending on setting up dates after phone number collection. Collecting a phone number without arranging a future social outing with her is not the best idea. It's difficult to set up a date from behind a tech screen.

Earning money needs to be top priority because your typical woman is not going to want to date a grown ass man who cannot support himself. That sort of thing was the single biggest turn off/no go for me when I was single. An employed or successful woman does not want a moocher. Super turn off, even for an attractive man.

That could be relevant in longer term attraction. An attractive man can get short term sex with looks + personality. That's what Roosh mentioned in his 2011 article about getting laid while unemployed and living in his dad's basement at age 31. Roosh wasn't truly unemployed since he was an seduction content creator then, but it might have looked like unemployment.

No one seems to ever talk about the sex life of the unemployed male, except for Roosh that one time in 2011. Unemployed males still get horny and have sexual needs. I don't think having income should be a prerequisite for sex. Unemployed males with decent resumes can go months between jobs and shouldn't be expected to go months without sex. In white collar work, unemployed males usually become unemployed through no fault of their own as it is usually the incompetence of upper management at their previous employer that forces them into unemployment.

Most unemployed people are making efforts towards employment. Finding a job can take multiple months and even 1 year+ in recessionary conditions. I graduated in 2008 and I know how bad it is to try to find a job in a recession. In 2023-present, there's currently a white collar recession going on and USA unemployment statistics are far underreported. I'm not sure how Australia's white collar labor market is doing right now but it is likely not doing well.

@fastzander has an investment portfolio, as he mentioned stock dividends. He's also getting parental support too.

In USD, if a working age man has a net worth of multiple millions, he can likely get away with unemployment and still attract women. Most unemployed males are not in that position in the USA.

Female sexual market value is rarely affected by employment status. Women in relationships are rarely dumped/divorced when they become unemployed. Women who become unemployed while not in any meaningful relationship are able to date as easily as while employed in most cases. It is male sexual market value that is more tied to employment status.

 

[Manure Spherian]

The problem with approaching is approaching. Hardly anyone met their partners with it.

Statusmaxxing and socialcirclemaxxing are the ways to go.

 

[BeExcellent]

For @SW15 and others:

How can a man with no employment who lives at home with mommy and daddy expect to lead a relationship?

He cannot.

He is still living like a child.

What woman wants to go to mommy & daddy's house and fvck in his childhood bedroom? What woman constantly is willing to host because he still lives like a child? No woman can take such a man seriously.

Sure maybe such a man can get laid here & there. But as soon as a full grown woman realizes she is dealing with a man child?

Poof.

The sexual needs of men exist, sure. The whole purpose of this forum is to help men become better and improve their lives. So the focus must first be on gameful employment, self sufficiency and self respect. From those pursuits men evolve toward purpose and in the process become much more attractive to women. Stop making excuses for the lazy.

Many men would rather whine than grow up/man up. And such men then cry and point fingers at women. Become a man worthy of leadership and you'll find "women" never were the issue.

 

[corrector]

You are most likely interrupting women on their lunch breaks, who are going from point A to point B.

73 numbers isn't bad if you look at it that way.

 

[BPH]

73 numbers isn't bad if you look at it that way.

I went to the bar for 2 hours on Friday night and approached 4 or 5 girls and got all their numbers. Most of them won't turn into anything, but still, a 5.5% success rate over 5 months of spending 4 hours essentially loitering, hoping for a woman to walk by, is abysmal.

 

[SW15]

a 5.5% success rate over 5 months of spending 4 hours essentially loitering, hoping for a woman to walk by, is abysmal.

That's correct. Additionally, phone numbers are not even a relevant metric. We don't know how many of those 73 phone numbers resulted in first dates (a better metric) and how many of those 73 numbers resulted in sex. We know he got one semi-extended relationship from daygaming.

How can a man with no employment who lives at home with mommy and daddy expect to lead a relationship?

He cannot.

He is still living like a child.

Leadership is only expected from older men. It is not expected from males in high school or college. High school males date high school females with no/minimal employment and it works during that point in time. When college aged males and females date each other, this concept of leadership does not factor into their relationships.

Now, if a 25-44 year old man wanted to date an 18-23 year old undergraduate, he would be expected to have something going for him in life. Plenty of undergrads date each other while still being generally dependent upon their parents.

What woman wants to go to mommy & daddy's house and fvck in his childhood bedroom? What woman constantly is willing to host because he still lives like a child? No woman can take such a man seriously.

Sure maybe such a man can get laid here & there. But as soon as a full grown woman realizes she is dealing with a man child?

Poof.

Yes, there are men who can get laid while living with their parents. There's a forum thread about this and Roosh wrote an article about doing this in 2011.

I live with my parents in suburban Delaware, but still get laid a lot - Ask Me Anything

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Some men would have difficulty in seducing women while living with their parents because their parents would crimp their lifestyles. Some parents are laid back about their sons' sexual activities while living at home.

Men do not care about women in their 20s-40s living at home and possibly being unemployed. This barely affects a woman's mating value.

It is unfortunate that men tend to receive negative perceptions for living at home and/or being unemployed.

The sexual needs of men exist, sure. The whole purpose of this forum is to help men become better and improve their lives. So the focus must first be on gameful employment, self sufficiency and self respect. From those pursuits men evolve toward purpose and in the process become much more attractive to women. Stop making excuses for the lazy.

There are plenty of white collar men who have become unemployed through no fault of their own. When white collar men become unemployed, it is usually due to the incompetence of upper management at their previous employer.

Many white collar men are actively seeking employment as well.

I finished my MBA in 2008 and the economy was at a bad place at that moment. I entered the workforce at a time when no one was hiring due to the worst economic contraction since World War II. It took me over a year to get hired for my first post-MBA job when I graduated in 2008.

It also took me over 6 months to find a new job in 2020 when I was a early pandemic layoff.

I also got terminated in 2013 from an inept organization and was re-employed in 4 months.

I am sensitive to the plight of unemployed males based on 2008, 2013, and 2020.

Most white collar men will eventually find work but a lot of white collar men will go through a rough patch.

Blue collar men and low wage service sector men have it better than white collar men in a certain regard. With blue collar/low wage service sector men, their SMVs seem less tied to their employment status than white collar men. They tend to attract different segments of women. Temporary unemployment for these men is less likely to impact how they are perceived in the sexual marketplace.

 

[BaronOfHair]

How can a man with no employment who lives at home with mommy and daddy expect to lead a relationship?

He cannot.

He is still living like a child

Yeah, this goes back to a problem folks have been discussing as far back as at least The 2000s... Far too often, we believe that there are "tricks" and "cheat codes" for snagging cooter, when in reality, women are typically BYPRODUCTS of a man taking his self-development seriously

 

[BeExcellent]

@SW15 I am not discussing high school or college aged men. And YES they better be equipped to lead if they expect a woman to follow.

I have tenants where the man is 19 and the live-in gf is 23. The guy is working class but he leads that relationship (he is Latino and learned from his Latino biker father who has been married to his mom 30ish years.)

My son is 23 and leads his family (and has led his relationship since high school and throughout college.)

I know other young men (under 25) who lead. They have happy women as partners, several are already married.

A 30 something male has no excuse; really younger men are quite capable of leading, to say otherwise implies being infantile is somehow acceptable. It isn't.

My husband had a job loss earlier this year. He was out of work about 90 days but because he was careful financially and diligent about his job search, he was back to work soon.

And he is generally financially responsible and had savings so he did not miss any payents on bills and did not expect me to carry him.

So the excuses do not matter. If a man has ambition he can find something to do. My husband is a journeyman electrician in addition to being a software engineer. So he can fall back on blue collar work in a pinch if necessary. Any able bodied man can do this even if its unskilled labor.

You just have to have enough drive & self respect not to wallow. Lots of whiners out there these days. I have no sympathy for that. You can push a lawn mower, you can learn to roof, you can work for a moving company. You can bartend or serve. There are ways to put food on the table.

Again. No excuse for the lazy.

 

[fastzander]

Folks I would prefer to just receive feedback on my game, and leave the matter of my employment aside. I'm not proud of being NEET, and if you want to scorn me for this, I accept that. But without disclosing the full details, I've had bad experiences with both job seeking and employment virtually non-stop since I graduated from university, the field I'm trained in is facing looming automation from A.I., and I hear nothing but horror stories from family, friends, the internet, etc. about the entire job seeking process---from fake job postings to not receiving a single response to 200 resumes to discoveries that their resumes were just being binned without being read to brazen nepotism. This simply does not make the prospect of dipping my toes back into the process seem like either an edifying one or a fruitful one. At the moment, I'm trying to cobble together a passive income stream from a combination of stock dividends, web advertising and rental properties. And I'm not living with my parents.

I don't want to talk further about this.

 

[MatureDJ]

1. 33.
2. Australia.
3. 175 cm. (5.9 feet) / 67 kg.
4. White.
5. White or Asian
6. None. I'm NEET and entirely dependent on parents except for some stock dividends.

Casual clothes, at present, means long-sleeved shirts without collars or buttons, jeans, and sneakers.

Hobbies are architectural photography, movies, going for long walks and dining at cafes and restaurants.

It's pretty much OVER for NEETCels.

 

[BPH]

Folks I would prefer to just receive feedback on my game, and leave the matter of my employment aside. I'm not proud of being NEET, and if you want to scorn me for this, I accept that. But without disclosing the full details, I've had bad experiences with both job seeking and employment virtually non-stop since I graduated from university, the field I'm trained in is facing looming automation from A.I., and I hear nothing but horror stories from family, friends, the internet, etc. about the entire job seeking process---from fake job postings to not receiving a single response to 200 resumes to discoveries that their resumes were just being binned without being read to brazen nepotism. This simply does not make the prospect of dipping my toes back into the process seem like either an edifying one or a fruitful one. At the moment, I'm trying to cobble together a passive income stream from a combination of stock dividends, web advertising and rental properties. And I'm not living with my parents.

I don't want to talk further about this.

Aside from that, definitely start going to the gym.

Look up Starting Strength if you need a baseline.

 

[Gamisch]

Changing this should be a far bigger priority than any daygame routine.

Gracias

His numero uno prio should be getting his azz to work. Smh.

Time spent approaching women should be spent on self development. A job, a house, and education.

 

[Gamisch]

@SW15 I am not discussing high school or college aged men. And YES they better be equipped to lead if they expect a woman to follow.

I have tenants where the man is 19 and the live-in gf is 23. The guy is working class but he leads that relationship (he is Latino and learned from his Latino biker father who has been married to his mom 30ish years.)

My son is 23 and leads his family (and has led his relationship since high school and throughout college.)

I know other young men (under 25) who lead. They have happy women as partners, several are already married.

A 30 something male has no excuse; really younger men are quite capable of leading, to say otherwise implies being infantile is somehow acceptable. It isn't.

My husband had a job loss earlier this year. He was out of work about 90 days but because he was careful financially and diligent about his job search, he was back to work soon.

And he is generally financially responsible and had savings so he did not miss any payents on bills and did not expect me to carry him.

So the excuses do not matter. If a man has ambition he can find something to do. My husband is a journeyman electrician in addition to being a software engineer. So he can fall back on blue collar work in a pinch if necessary. Any able bodied man can do this even if its unskilled labor.

You just have to have enough drive & self respect not to wallow. Lots of whiners out there these days. I have no sympathy for that. You can push a lawn mower, you can learn to roof, you can work for a moving company. You can bartend or serve. There are ways to put food on the table.

Again. No excuse for the lazy.

This is a heavily discussed topic here. I 1000 % agree with you, and hopefully folks listen when a woman tells them the TRUTH.

Folks I would prefer to just receive feedback on my game, and leave the matter of my employment aside. I'm not proud of being NEET, and if you want to scorn me for this, I accept that. But without disclosing the full details, I've had bad experiences with both job seeking and employment virtually non-stop since I graduated from university, the field I'm trained in is facing looming automation from A.I., and I hear nothing but horror stories from family, friends, the internet, etc. about the entire job seeking process---from fake job postings to not receiving a single response to 200 resumes to discoveries that their resumes were just being binned without being read to brazen nepotism. This simply does not make the prospect of dipping my toes back into the process seem like either an edifying one or a fruitful one. At the moment, I'm trying to cobble together a passive income stream from a combination of stock dividends, web advertising and rental properties. And I'm not living with my parents.

I don't want to talk further about this.

Look at this .

I'm always flabbergasted when someone asks questions and next wants to decide the type of answers he gets

Newsflash: you ought to solve your problems at the ROOT, not the leaves. You're issues are far beyond a yes or no from a strange woman. And it's mainly no...you're extremely inefficient and you're wasting time on bs.

 

[SW15]

I would prefer to just receive feedback on my game, and leave the matter of my employment aside.

I'm not living with my parents.

Part of "game" is money and most men get money from employment.

A man can often get through initial approaching without money being that relevant. Most women will start to inquire about money on a first date before you've had sex with them. It's possible to get same night sex at a bar without money becoming relevant if the man has his own bachelor pad. You have that. That's good for your sexual market value.

The topic of money and employment is definitely relevant in longer term relationships.

Given your NEET status, you would be better off exploring "game" that emphasized shorter term sex rather than longer term relationships. Men with money/employment issues can find success in having short term sex primarily surrounding their looks. Additionally, many Australian women are into feminism/female empowerment and enjoy living a lifestyle where they have casual sex with multiple partners. Have you ever heard of Jana Hocking? She's a 40 year old sex writer/content creator in Australia who has a big following with Australian women. Hocking has been living a lifestyle of having sex with a lot of men and not getting commitments.

I've had bad experiences with both job seeking and employment virtually non-stop since I graduated from university

Most men in white collar business work born after the early 1980s can make this claim as well.

At the moment, I'm trying to cobble together a passive income stream from a combination of stock dividends, web advertising and rental properties.

If that's viable, it's a good idea.

 

[Captain Redbeard]

@fastzander None of this exists in a vacuum so you cannot completely separate game and employment. I'll tell you, I've had some absolutely brutal experiences in the labor market. But I picked myself up every time and got back on the horse. Staying on the sidelines is a guaranteed failure.

You have some shame about your NEET status and it is infecting other parts of your life, whether you want to admit it or not. @BPH already identified the weakness in your approach where you are constantly apologizing for yourself. The shame has made you believe you are not good enough so you are communicating that in your approaches. The solution is not to practice game, it is to eliminate the shame.

Time to exorcise the demons. Don't dip your toe in the water, jump head first and start applying for jobs. Find something. Develop some financial independence from your parents. This will help you develop a confident, masculine frame. That will do far more for your success rate than trying to develop the perfect routine.

I don't think you will heed this advice. I hope you prove me wrong.

 

[BeExcellent]

Listen @fastzander nobody is tormenting you.

We are telling you THE TRUTH.

Your NEET status is severely hampering you. I concur 100% with @Captain Redbeard on this.

There is no magic way to get women or sex if you are seen as a man child. You don't like that? You can fix it. Life ain't a picnic and you are not a special snowflake.

I am advising you as I advise my own children.

Go find a job and quit turning up your nose at things that you think are beneath you. Guess what I did today? Cleaned up dog poop and vagrant junk at one of my vacant rentals. I am a white collar professional and a multimillionaire. Cleaning out crap is NOT beneath me. Part of why the people who do work for me respect me. I show them I am not above them.

And that is a lot of why I am successful. I am not lazy and have work ethic and work smart habits like nobody's business. Meanwhile you are whining about the job market. Either you are crying about it or you are doing something about it.

Whine less & do more.

 

[SW15]

Your NEET status is severely hampering you.

He has a NEET + height + hair length issue.

When Roosh was an unemployed pickup artist in his dad's basement, he was 6'2" with a fit physique.

@BPH is an employed male living with his parents as a 6'0", fit guy with good facial aesthetics.

Short term sex is feasible when money isn't in a good place, but looks must be in a really good place to compensate.

Looks, money, status, personality

Or as Rollo Tomassi says "Money, muscles, game"

There are things he can do in terms of charisma on the personality side that people like @BPH and I are recommending, but it's going to be a challenge to get past NEET + height.

 

[MatureDJ]

He has a NEET + height + hair length issue.

When Roosh was an unemployed pickup artist in his dad's basement, he was 6'2" with a fit physique.

@BPH is an employed male living with his parents as a 6'0", fit guy with good facial aesthetics.

Short term sex is feasible when money isn't in a good place, but looks must be in a really good place to compensate.

Looks, money, status, personality

Or as Rollo Tomassi says "Money, muscles, game"

There are things he can do in terms of charisma on the personality side that people like @BPH and I are recommending, but it's going to be a challenge to get past NEET + height.

I think a man can only have 1 major problem, so long as everything else is solid. NEET & short are pretty much the most brutal problems a man can have. Heck, shortness is my major problem , and it alone has caused me to lose out on a whole lot of women.

 

[SW15]

I think a man can only have 1 major problem, so long as everything else is solid. NEET & short are pretty much the most brutal problems a man can have. Heck, shortness is my major problem , and it alone has caused me to lose out on a whole lot of women.

That's a reasonable assessment.

NEET isn't that much of an issue with seduction if the male has major family money. If there were a real life Billy Madison (see below), he would be able to seduce women with good looks and even have long term relationships if he wanted. In that movie, Billy Madison was a 27 year old heir to an immense fortune who didn't need to work due to a multimillion dollar trust fund. If a man is 25+ and has multiple millions to his name from a trust fund, women are willing to overlook his NEET status. He would also need to be somewhat handsome for that to happen. He couldn't be fat and he would need to be at least average height.

A Billy Madison case would be an outlier type case.

Short is going to be more difficult to overcome. Height is perceived more stringently now than even in the 1990s. Back in the mid-1990s, ABC News did a segment on short men on their 20/20 news magazine show. Boomer (30s-40s then) and earlier Gen X women (20 somethings then) didn't respond well to it. Millennial and Gen Z women are even less tolerant of shorter than average men in the 2010s-2020s. There are even Millennial and Gen Z women getting "the ick" now from average range height men.

 

[Gamisch]

He has a NEET + height + hair length issue.

That's brutal