War and Peace 2: An Old Field Report

[nicksaiz65]

So this is a LONG field report(hence the title ) but this is an interaction a while ago that while I did some things well, I ultimately ended up fumbling. I thought I’d share it because there could be some learnings here.

The main takeaway I got is that I need to work on my escalation(fingering her, easing in.) Similar to a previous FR I ended up pushing too hard again.

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I went out for day 2 of cold approach on a Saturday after being out for a while after an extended sickness. My wing ended up coming out to this session as well.


We started by talking to some girls on the street. Eventually I met a brunette girl who was dressed really interestingly, in all black. It turns out she just got back from a concert.


I approached her directly, told her she was cute, commented on her dress, and we got into a conversation from there.


After vibing for a few minutes on the street, it seemed she was interested. I told her “drinks here are expensive. I live close by, we should take some shots there.”


She responded with “I wish I could, but I just met you.”

I then said, “ok, I understand that. Let’s go to this bar that’s here up the street then.”

I took her hand and we walked up the street while still chatting. My wing was occupying the other unattractive friend.

After we got there, we sat at the bar and continued to talk. She seemed interested, talking to her was extremely easy and she would laugh at everything I would say, even weaker jokes. I actually ended up buying the girl a drink since they were pretty cheap & I didn’t want to blow the interaction out(there was a special on green tea shots or something like that.)

After a while, my wing just bounced(he’s super burnt out apparently) so I was left to handle the group myself. I made sure to keep talking to my girl, sexualize the interaction, and periodically give the friend some attention so that she was on my side and didn’t end up blocking me.

I then progressed the interaction by suggesting that we go up to floor 2(where the dance floor is located.) She agreed to this. There was a karaoke event going on that she seemed eager to sing in, but it actually just ended before we got there. So I brought her directly to the dance floor. I danced with her for a bit, and was able to make strong eye contact and get into a makeout from there. After that, her friend(and some other girls that she was talking to from the bar) went downstairs. So we went to catch up with them.

In Nashville, some of the bars have machine bull riding games. All of the girls in the group were huddled around it, so we joined. My girl mentioned to me that she enjoyed the game, and that she hoped her titties looked good while riding the bull(she did have nice titties to be fair.) Then, she leaned into me and put my hand on her titties, then I squeezed them under her bra. After that, I was able to sexualize more by telling her things like “she looked hot while she was riding it” lol.

After that, I suggested that we go to mine again. She agreed this time, but she said that her friend had to come with her. I agreed to this. My wing had already bounced by this point so we called a Lyft back to my spot. I texted my wing who was already home by this point, and asked him to occupy the friend since I was pulling. The unattractive friend kept whispering in her ear “are you sure? Are you sure?” and my girl kept saying “Yes!!!”

I gave the girl the general house tour, and we vibed out for a bit. She noticed our apartment pool and mentioned how she wanted to take a dip. I said I thought that was a great idea, so we all went downstairs and brought my portable speaker with me.

I threw on some workout shorts I had, took my shirt off, and jumped in the pool with her. She stripped down to her bra & panties and then got in the water. After floating around a bit, she put herself in my arms and we made out more in the pool while I was dry humping her. I later found out that she was giving her friend a big thumbs up while we were making out. After that, she started throwing an objection about how it was getting late and she had to go. I knew I had to try and close it before this happened. I convinced her to come up to the balcony before she went(baby stepping getting her to my room.) I started escalating on her again once I got to the balcony, and eventually whipped it out, and she started grabbing my ****. I tried to get her on her knees to give me head but she rejected it by saying “no, I’m not doing that.” So I eventually pulled her back into my room.

I got her on the bed, and at this point I had her on top of me in her bra & panties, and I whipped it out again. She was like, semi-riding me, but I couldn’t get her to actually let me put it in. I had a condom on at this point as well(and nothing else) but she put up big resistance on letting me take her panties off and put it inside her. Eventually after backing off & chilling for a bit, I just couldn’t get her to do it. She called her Uber & went on her way. I’m going to chalk this one up to LMR.

 

[SW15]

After that, I suggested that we go to mine again. She agreed this time, but she said that her friend had to come with her. I agreed to this. My wing had already bounced by this point so we called a Lyft back to my spot. I texted my wing who was already home by this point, and asked him to occupy the friend since I was pulling. The unattractive friend kept whispering in her ear “are you sure? Are you sure?” and my girl kept saying “Yes!!!”

Your agreeing to this is the major problem. This is the point in the interaction where the friend should have been sent packing, if not earlier. Your wing failed you by not dealing with the penis blocker friend.

This is one of the biggest issues with nightlife venue game later into the night. Women met in nightlife venues later at night tend to be flaky. It is possible to arrange a future social outing early on Sunday morning at 1-2:30 AM for something like Tuesday-Wednesday night but that has a high probability of not happening once the calendar gets to Tuesday-Wednesday. The male seducer can feel forced to try to make something happen in that moment because he knows the flaking will happen.

Isolation is one of the biggest factors in nightlife venue pickup. I don't like dealing with isolation factors, which is part of why I prefer non-bar approaching to nightlife venue approaching. However, there are even scenarios in non-bar approaching where isolation could become relevant. Daygamers can often avoid those. Nightlife venue approachers cannot avoid isolation scenarios. Almost every female is going out to a nightlife venue with at least one of her female friends, if not a larger female group or a mixed group.

I convinced her to come up to the balcony before she went(baby stepping getting her to my room.) I started escalating on her again once I got to the balcony, and eventually whipped it out, and she started grabbing my ****. I tried to get her on her knees to give me head but she rejected it by saying “no, I’m not doing that.” So I eventually pulled her back into my room.

I got her on the bed, and at this point I had her on top of me in her bra & panties, and I whipped it out again. She was like, semi-riding me, but I couldn’t get her to actually let me put it in. I had a condom on at this point as well(and nothing else) but she put up big resistance on letting me take her panties off and put it inside her. Eventually after backing off & chilling for a bit, I just couldn’t get her to do it. She called her Uber & went on her way. I’m going to chalk this one up to LMR.

You did well getting a woman into your bedroom in a difficult scenario. As stated above, I would have avoided the difficult situation. My game style is to avoid difficult situations. A scenario like this is the biggest difference between a Thrill of the Hunt man and a Pleasure of Sex man. For those unaware of this framework, I have provided it below.

You are a TH man and I am a PS man. We see pickup scenarios differently. TH men will push through difficult pickup scenarios much more than a PS man will.

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The number #1 way to avoid Last Minute Resistance is to select the right women who have qualified themselves as being ready for sex. In the quote above, there was no way that a woman ready for sex insists her friend comes back to your pad after a bar.

You also encountered LMR from your target woman because the woman's friend was not getting any sex that night. If the friend had a sexual option, the path would have been clearer for you to get sex and there would not have been LMR. Your wing failed you there but so did the other men in Nashville bars.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Your agreeing to this is the major problem. This is the point in the interaction where the friend should have been sent packing, if not earlier. Your wing failed you by not dealing with the penis blocker friend.

This is a great example of why we can’t be reliant on wings and need to be self sufficient. Dude literally walked away. Even if he had gotten laid earlier from an online date, if he was going to be on this kind of time he should’ve just stayed home. If this was a class, he’d get an “F.” He is basically violating every winging rule here and he’d be pissed if the situation were reversed and I did the same.

The point of a wing is to occupy the friends. If he won’t do that, then he’s just dead weight/and I’d be better off going out solo, literally. He didn’t even occupy the friend once I pulled back to mine. He was literally useless in this scenario.

Sorry. Had to get that off my chest haha.

This is one of the biggest issues with nightlife venue game later into the night. Women met in nightlife venues later at night tend to be flaky. It is possible to arrange a future social outing early on Sunday morning at 1-2:30 AM for something like Tuesday-Wednesday night but that has a high probability of not happening once the calendar gets to Tuesday-Wednesday. The male seducer can feel forced to try to make something happen in that moment because he knows the flaking will happen.

I think it’s best to always try to sleep with her that same night. Then, like Roosh says, MAYBE you’ll see them again.

You did well getting a woman into your bedroom in a difficult scenario. As stated above, I would have avoided the difficult situation. My game style is to avoid difficult situations. A scenario like this is the biggest difference between a Thrill of the Hunt man and a Pleasure of Sex man. For those unaware of this framework, I have provided it below.

You are a TH man and I am a PS man. We see pickup scenarios differently. TH men will push through difficult pickup scenarios much more than a PS man will.

Thanks. This was a tough situation. This was the best I could do.

The number #1 way to avoid Last Minute Resistance is to select the right women who have qualified themselves as being ready for sex. In the quote above, there was no way that a woman ready for sex insists her friend comes back to your pad after a bar.

I agree with the LMR. I think I would’ve had a good chance of closing had I escalated better(finger her first, grab a titty, etc)

You also encountered LMR from your target woman because the woman's friend was not getting any sex that night. If the friend had a sexual option, the path would have been clearer for you to get sex and there would not have been LMR. Your wing failed you there but so did the other men in Nashville bars.

Again, my wing being self centered and just totally failing in this interaction. Agreed. I always try to focus on what I can do better to be self sufficient. No girl is going to sit in the living room while I bang her friend.

Next time I’ll just pull the girl, leave the friend, and tell my roommate/wing that I need the spot.

 

[Divorced w 3]

It's tough to say without being there personally because so many factors go into this type of situation, such as: how are you vibing with the friend, what is the friend's personality, what the feelings are between the target and her friend, etc. When you were headed back to your place, you could have tried to suggest to your target, privately, that you order the friend an Uber to her place - if that didn't work, then I think you did the best you could in that environment. I've had women ditch their friends on one night stands at the protesting of their own sisters, but when she likes you and she's trying to get laid she is going to do what she wants. So if you kind of take it as a calibration point right there, knowing she didn't do that, you have a little insight into the type of situation you're working with. It sounds like you were taking these little calibration tests over the course of the night, whether you intended to or not.

In regards to the friend now being at home with you - alternative ways you could have pursued this situation would have been - inviting both women to skinny dip and attempt to turn this dynamic into a threeway. I know the friend wasn't the hottest thing going, but two women is still better than one. If I can get a threeway I am going after that every single time.

I am impressed you got this woman alone upstairs. She wanted to fvck and she was going to fvck. I think you would have had her if not for your eagerness in the sack. You were all focused on you and not on her. You have to play with her physically. You need to get your hands in her pants, you need to find the cl1t, you need to get her worked up. Calibrate again - what's turning her on, what isn't, and then energy entirely into what's turning her on. At that point, off come the panties. More LMR on you putting your d1ck in there, then you literally just tell her it's just the tip which you both know is a joke, and then in it goes, and then you take her to pound town. I really think you had this.

Overall, I am extremely impressed. You just fumbled on the 1 yard line. Great work.

 

[SW15]

The point of a wing is to occupy the friends. If he won’t do that, then he’s just dead weight/and I’d be better off going out solo, literally. He didn’t even occupy the friend once I pulled back to mine. He was literally useless in this scenario.

I believe that no wings are better than bad wings.

I had a scenario where one of my now married friends served as a wing for me one night. At the time, he was engaged. It helped with approaching larger groups as compared to scenarios where I'd be going out solo. My engaged friend did a poor job occupying certain friends. I never had him wing for me again. I think part of the reason that he was subpar in random bar conversation is that he had been with his same girlfriend for 5+ years at that point and was so out of practice in talking to new women.

Part of the reason I prefer non-bar approaching to bar/nightclub approaching is that the friends and isolation are already gone.

In some non-bar venues, women go out with friends. In other venues, the woman is already isolated and I don't have to be concerned with her friends. The daygame venue where I have gotten the most first dates is the grocery store. Women do not take their friends with them grocery shopping or for basic errands.

I think it’s best to always try to sleep with her that same night. Then, like Roosh says, MAYBE you’ll see them again.

Same night sex results in sex. It might not be the best quality sex, but it is sex.

When a man meets a woman at a bar between 10:30 PM and 1:00 AM and is having sex with her for the first time between 12:30 AM and 2:30 AM, this is a challenging sexual scenario for quality of sex. The first obstacle to this is that there's been alcohol consumption. The second is fatigue. After midnight, most men are fatigued if they keep a typical sleep schedule. The guy who won't be affected by fatigue are the guys who regularly go to bed well after 2 AM. These are guys who often go to sleep as late as 5 AM - 7 AM daily and wake up in the afternoon. They might be bartenders, bouncers, or have some other non-traditional line of work that isn't from the mornings to early evenings. These are guys with a huge advantage in late night seductions because they are fresher and less bound by late night/early morning hour fatigue.

The last problem with same night sex is that two people don't know each other that well and that can impact quality of sex. It's difficult to have good sex with someone with the combination of alcohol, fatigue, and only knowing each other for 1-2 hours before having sex.

First date sex has many of the same problems as same night bar approach sex. First date sex (doesn't matter if real life approach or tech arranged) is between 2 people who have consumed alcohol, are fatigued (often later than 9 PM), and don't know each other that well.

Most nightlife venue seducers find out that their same night sex instances don't repeat with them often. In times when these guys want more than just one night of sex, they often struggle to get the woman to have sex for a 2nd time.

First date sex guys have a similar challenge as well in getting repeats.

Women have more abundance now and are less tolerant of lower quality sex. Additionally, many women can often have issues processing the emotional components of having sex with a man that they barely know. That doesn't encourage them to repeat.

Higher quality first date sex or same night sex will help with getting a woman a 2nd time and with retention beyond just a 2nd time.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

but she put up big resistance on letting me take her panties off and put it inside her. Eventually after backing off & chilling for a bit, I just couldn’t get her to do it. She called her Uber & went on her way. I’m going to chalk this one up to LMR.

My dad had a saying: "304s that wont let you hit it are a waste of time"

 

[nicksaiz65]

When you were headed back to your place, you could have tried to suggest to your target, privately, that you order the friend an Uber to her place - if that didn't work, then I think you did the best you could in that environment. I've had women ditch their friends on one night stands at the protesting of their own sisters, but when she likes you and she's trying to get laid she is going to do what she wants. So if you kind of take it as a calibration point right there, knowing she didn't do that, you have a little insight into the type of situation you're working with. It sounds like you were taking these little calibration tests over the course of the night, whether you intended to or not.

That's a great idea. I'm going to implement this next time.

In regards to the friend now being at home with you - alternative ways you could have pursued this situation would have been - inviting both women to skinny dip and attempt to turn this dynamic into a threeway. I know the friend wasn't the hottest thing going, but two women is still better than one. If I can get a threeway I am going after that every single time.

I didn't think of this either. This was such a unique situation that I was just trying to escalate on my girl as much as I could.

I am impressed you got this woman alone upstairs. She wanted to fvck and she was going to fvck. I think you would have had her if not for your eagerness in the sack. You were all focused on you and not on her. You have to play with her physically. You need to get your hands in her pants, you need to find the cl1t, you need to get her worked up. Calibrate again - what's turning her on, what isn't, and then energy entirely into what's turning her on. At that point, off come the panties. More LMR on you putting your d1ck in there, then you literally just tell her it's just the tip which you both know is a joke, and then in it goes, and then you take her to pound town. I really think you had this.

Overall, I am extremely impressed. You just fumbled on the 1 yard line. Great work.

Appreciate it! I think so too. I just need to keep working on the sexual escalation as you describe here.

 

[nicksaiz65]

I believe that no wings are better than bad wings.

I had a scenario where one of my now married friends served as a wing for me one night. At the time, he was engaged. It helped with approaching larger groups as compared to scenarios where I'd be going out solo. My engaged friend did a poor job occupying certain friends. I never had him wing for me again. I think part of the reason that he was subpar in random bar conversation is that he had been with his same girlfriend for 5+ years at that point and was so out of practice in talking to new women.

Part of the reason I prefer non-bar approaching to bar/nightclub approaching is that the friends and isolation are already gone.

In some non-bar venues, women go out with friends. In other venues, the woman is already isolated and I don't have to be concerned with her friends. The daygame venue where I have gotten the most first dates is the grocery store. Women do not take their friends with them grocery shopping or for basic errands.

One of my philosophies has been that you definitely need to know how to handle groups solo when going out. We can't rely on wings, as this story proves.

Same night sex results in sex. It might not be the best quality sex, but it is sex.

When a man meets a woman at a bar between 10:30 PM and 1:00 AM and is having sex with her for the first time between 12:30 AM and 2:30 AM, this is a challenging sexual scenario for quality of sex. The first obstacle to this is that there's been alcohol consumption. The second is fatigue. After midnight, most men are fatigued if they keep a typical sleep schedule. The guy who won't be affected by fatigue are the guys who regularly go to bed well after 2 AM. These are guys who often go to sleep as late as 5 AM - 7 AM daily and wake up in the afternoon. They might be bartenders, bouncers, or have some other non-traditional line of work that isn't from the mornings to early evenings. These are guys with a huge advantage in late night seductions because they are fresher and less bound by late night/early morning hour fatigue.

I agree with this.. you always need to be trying to close that same night or you're very unlikely to see her again.

I don't do as much Daygame these days.

Most nightlife venue seducers find out that their same night sex instances don't repeat with them often. In times when these guys want more than just one night of sex, they often struggle to get the woman to have sex for a 2nd time.

I'd say you can either meet more local women or get good enough to build a "revolving door."