Venom Chronicles: No Free Attention or Validation

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

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What up doe, beta's and simps .

A couple years ago, I made a thread..

The Psychology of Ignoring Women

. Yeah man, this is just some advice and insight. I already know that some of you guys on here are kiss ass beta males and worship the ground that women walk on, and this information will be hard for you to grasp. However, for those that are willing to pay attention, learn something, and...

www.sosuave.net

Check it out if you haven't.

This current thread is meant to demonstrate how, the psychology of ignoring women is still just as more powerful today, than it was in the past.

I have 3 RECENT stories that I'll be sharing as it relates to ignoring women (which pertains to no free attention) and thus drawing them closer to me as a result.

But before I get into the stories, let's talk about No Free Attention (NFA) or Validation.
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No Free Attention-

Dating coach and book author Alan Roger Currie (RIP), first coined the term and concept of NFA and had been using it since 1988, so don't be fooled by other dating coaches whose been biting material from ARC's books and using it as if it is their idea.
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Now, let's define terms..

What is considered giving a woman Free Attention?

Free Attention is when you give a woman access to your non-sexual time and energy..which, 99% of the time will be in the form of conversation.

It is simple; if you don't have a romantic interest in the woman with no plans of actively pursuing her, then do not give her free attention by even speaking to her.

Do not talk to her, or them...unless you have to, or unless they speak to you.

The idea is, a man's non-sexual time and attention is powerful...it is where his power lies.

So, give up this power sparingly, and make women earn it.

A woman's perspective: "He must earn my SEXUAL time and attention. If he's not willing to get to know me, then he can't get access to any of this pu$$y".

A man's perspective: "She must earn my NON-SEXUAL time and attention, if she ain't willing to give me any pu$$y, then there ain't anything to talk about".

There is a showdown, a standoff between those two perspectives, and one of them must break.

Do NOT break.
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No Validation-

No Validation (NV) has been a popular concept in the manosphere over the past few years, or maybe longer.

The idea of NV is similar to NFA, the only difference is, NV is geared mainly towards giving a woman empty compliments.

"Hey beautiful, how is your day today?"

"You look nice today".

Now, taken at face value, there isn't anything wrong with such compliments...UNLESS those compliments are tied to an action, particularly an act of exchanging contact information.

If you give a compliment to a woman, and she thanks you and goes on about her day, then you've giving her validation in the form of an empty compliment.

It's empty. No gain.

There was no gain for you, but all the gain for her (validation, ego booster).

No. Avoid validating women by giving them empty compliments.

If you aren't gonna attempt to get her contact information, then simply STFU and do not engage her.
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Unfortunately, the general rule of thumb for NFA won't work for most of you guys, because...

1. Some of you may be so much of a beta-simp, that you just can't help yourself by being all up in a woman's face and showering her with attention..thinking that the more attention you give, the more she'll like you.

2. Some of you are invisible to women anyway. You don't stand out to women, and there is nothing remarkable about you..so they won't miss any free attention from an invisible man.

But I digress..
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Stay tuned for the first story.

 

[ValiantMale]

Ignoring/withdrawing attention from women has always been a powerful tool but it alone isn't a tool for any progress. You need to know how to utilize it properly for anything to happen.

There's alot of smaller nuances to some of these things too.. Like a woman is talking to you and clearly engaged in giving you attention, I often am very selective in my hearing and responses, especially if we're in a setting where alot else is going on.. She needs to feel like she's got to work for the attention more-- which intrinsically tells her brain to put me on a pedestal.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Ignoring/withdrawing attention from women has always been a powerful tool but it alone isn't a tool for any progress.

Sure, but this thread is about it alone.

You need to know how to utilize it properly for anything to happen.

Preaching to the choir, amigo.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

"Hey beautiful, how is your day today?"

"You look nice today".

Just STFU in the first place and do not feed chicks with these creepy simp comments in the first place.
It's a real attraction killer, but stupid AFC guys think they are building attraction with sending these creepy garbage messages to women - even (OMG don't do it) on daily basis which just shows you are weak, needy and insecure.

So yeah just shut the f up and keep texting /chatting to minimum - if any at all and give the chicks space to chase you instead.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Just STFU in the first place and do not feed chicks with these creepy simp comments in the first place.
It's a real attraction killer, but stupid AFC guys think they are building attraction with sending these creepy garbage messages to women - even (OMG don't do it) on daily basis which just shows you are weak, needy and insecure.

So yeah just shut the f up and keep texting /chatting to minimum - if any at all and give the chicks space to chase you instead.

I shared my stance on compliments...but me personally, I stopped giving them on the intro as I used to do.

Just even more simpler..

Me: Are you single?

Her: Yes

Me: Ok, well let me shoot you my #.

Easy peasy.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

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Ok, story # 1...

First, a little background; I have a male work aquitance, let's call him Ike.

Ike started working for the company about two months after I did.

Ike and I are the only two workers (drivers) that work a particular shift...and since us drivers usually work in pairs, 99% of the time, we are paired up.

Now, Ike is from South Carolina...and he has a strong southern accent.

He is a very funny, humorous dude (he looks and acts like comedian DC Young Fly).

When we are working, we spend a lot of time laughing, joking, and more importantly, talking about GAME.

Based on the nature of the job (at the airport), we come across thousands of women on a day to day basis.

So, 70% of our conversations are about game, women, and our experiences in those areas.

Ike is a practitioner of indirect game, so I was delighted to educate him on Mode One and direct game.

Like most guys, he doesn't have the balls to be direct with women..and he is always astonished when I show him text transcripts of women that I go Mode One Hardcore on..and even more astonished that it has actually worked for me.

But, since he has had so much success being indirect, he has no desire or balls to go direct.

When we are making our rounds throughout the airport, we are constantly scoping the scene for women, and they are EVERYWHERE.

And the good thing about Ike is, just like myself, he is a COLD APPROACHER.

We both respect each other's game (real recognize real), and we've both witnessed each other in action as we did our thing.

He knows how I get busy, and I know what he can do.

To demonstrate what I mean..

One day, Ike and I were waiting to get on the "employees only" elevator at the airport.

When the elevator door opened, out comes this short, attractive (to Ike) Black woman.

Ike's eyes lit up when he saw her, and he was smiling from ear to ear.

The woman passed him and they smiled at each other, while exchanging pleasantries.

The woman kept walking and went on her way.

I told Ike, "Bro, no free attention".

*I had previously educated Ike on No Free Attention or Validation (NFAV)..but see, Southern folks are known for their hospitality and charm. Ike is the kind of guy who can say to a woman "Hey Beautiful, how is your day going?", without having any interest in her at all.*

After seeing him carry on in this manner at other times, I recommended that he stop doing that shiit..and when I reminded him in this case, "Bro, no free attention", he gave me a look of "Dude, you ain't saying shiit" ...and once he gave me the look..he went after her.

Long story short, he ended up smashing.

Now, I'll share how Ike ended up unintentionally helping me apply my NFAV strategy.

I had to provide some background first, though...since Ike will undoubtedly find himself in more of my chronicles..so it's best to get his intro out of the way first.

Stay tuned.

 

[BaronOfHair]

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Now, Ike is from South Carolina...and he has a strong southern accent...

But, since he has had so much success being indirect, he has no desire or balls to go direct

He's among the few of us who can melt the panties off by serenading random broads with his rendition of

Kings to him on that front

 

[BillyPilgrim]

He's among the few of us who can melt the panties off by serenading random broads with his rendition of

Kings to him on that front

He's not bad on Proud Mary either

 

[Gamisch]

Great thread!

I wanna add to this your non sexual attention (conversation) should be golden. You should be a man of substance thus it's actually worthwhile to conversate with you ofcourse combined with making a physicalappearancethat matters too. Thus she will feel the power of your absence.

NFA will be way more energy efficient in everyday life. My philosophy is that se gotta mirror my energy. If I check her out she gotta check me out. If se doesn't I turn my head away and move on IMMEDIATELY. NFA!!

To actually compliment a woman without following up = training yourself to be a simp. It just doesn't make sense. Why bark if you won't bite???

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

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Here we go..

I'll try to explain this shiit as best I can (it's convoluted ).

There is a restaurant (one of many) in the airport that Ike and I make our rounds to.

At one particular restaurant, there is a manager (Native American), of whom, Ike and her seemed to be fond of each other.

Let's call her Stacy.

*Although I like Stacy's personality, I am not physically attracted to her*

Stacy has a very easy-going attitude, however, she is a hard read when it comes to her general social behaviors and conversations.

It is difficult to tell whether Stacy is talking to you because she likes you, or because she is just a friendly, easy going person.

However, being the man that I am and almost always staying in frame; every time we go to the restaurant and Stacy is there, I drift away.

What does this mean?

Well, when we go to this restaurant, Ike always orders food (free meal to go)...and while we are waiting on his food, he always talks to Stacy.

As for me, I hardly ever speak to Stacy besides giving her my usual monotone pleasantry of "Greetings".

When Ike orders his food, Stacy will often ask me do I also want anything to eat.

Oftentimes, my answer is always the same..

"Naw, I'm goodie".

Then she'll ask or say any variation of "How come you never get anything", or "Dang, you never get anything".
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But yeah, I drift away..

From the moment that Ike and Stacy begin talking, I slowly and subtly walk away from them.

I drift away in a cool, swaggy, masculine, fashion.

I walk about 10-20 feet away from them, as if I'm in my own little world.

Now, even though I'm typing these words, HEAR me when I say; by simply drifting away, this action created a very damaging psychological effect for Stacy.

Every time Ike and I go to the restaurant and Ike is speaking to Stacy, I drift away from them.

And of course, every time I drift away, I notice that while Stacy is speaking to Ike, her eyes keeps shifting towards me, regardless of what direction I drift away towards.

Ike is all in her face, being his usual, social self...meanwhile, I am doing NOTHING.

My lack of attention, is actually drawing Stacy's attention away from the guy that is actually giving her attention!!

*In another thread, I spoke of doing something similar with another gal as I was out one night with my cousin, and the effect it had on the woman he was speaking to; different woman, different setting, SAME RESULTS*.

Man, there was a time when Ike and I were in another section of the airport and we happened to run across Stacy as she was headed to the restaurant.

They stopped to talk, but when they stopped, I kept on walking as if Stacy was not even present.

This was noticed by Ike and he said to me as I walked off..

"Bro, where you going?"

And guess what Stacy said?

She said, in a very thoughtful way to Ike..

"I know, he always does that".

Yeah, I'm glad you noticed, Stacy .
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There is more to the story, it gets even better..to the point where I actually feel bad for doing it!!

Hahahaha stay tuned!!

No Free Attention or Validation!!

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Great thread!

Thanks, pimp.

I hope it adds value to those that are willing.

My philosophy is that se gotta mirror my energy. If I check her out she gotta check me out. If se doesn't I turn my head away and move on IMMEDIATELY. NFA!!

Bro, I get chu.

But be careful with this one.

Without being long-winded, I'll say this; just because she ain't checking you out, doesn't mean she ain't CHECKING YOU OUT.

I got a story to tell!!

To actually compliment a woman without following up = training yourself to be a simp. It just doesn't make sense. Why bark if you won't bite???

Exactly.

If you ain't biting, stfu with all the barking.

 

[SW15]

Avoid validating women by giving them empty compliments.

I shared my stance on compliments...but me personally, I stopped giving them on the intro as I used to do.

That's a good idea. I haven't used compliments in my openers, either in non-bar settings or at bars/nightclubs.

I have seen plenty of infields on YouTube with compliments in the opener, particularly in non-bar settings. I see this most on YouTube with street openers.

Me: Are you single?

Her: Yes

Me: Ok, well let me shoot you my #.

Doing this would cut some bullshiit from non-bar (daygame) approaches.

In a typical non-bar setting, a man approaches a woman, there's a short interaction, and the conversation fizzles out within 30-60 seconds. This happens before the man offers a future social outing with the woman or asks to collect her contact.

Why does this happen? In most cases, the woman isn't even in the market.

The majority of women between ages 18-49 aren't seeking new penis at the moment they are approached in a non-bar setting.

While the man will never know for certain if she's off the market due to boyfriend/husband in these fizzled out conversations, it is the common reason even if it isn't disclosed in the conversation.

I try to avoid the husband excuse as much as I can by choosing to approach in non-bar venues in areas of my city where unmarried people are the majority of an area's population. It works in avoiding the husband excuse for the most part. It's also a good idea to check hands for rings on the left hand in daygame venues. I try to do that as much as I can, but even the best approacher can miss that detail at times.

Doing daygame approaches in areas where unmarrieds are the majority isn't that helpful. Why? Even in those settings, plenty of women have boyfriends at any given moment and won't be seeking new penis. It's possible to get a woman with a less serious boyfriend to monkey branch. It's a more difficult scenario and I don't want to deal with difficulty. Approaching is already difficult enough.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

That's a good idea. I haven't used compliments in my openers, either in non-bar settings or at bars/nightclubs.

I have seen plenty of infields on YouTube with compliments in the opener, particularly in non-bar settings. I see this most on YouTube with street openers.

I've had my highest 20-women-approach-number-grab (11/20) just recently, with hardly any compliments in my opener.

What that told me is; a complimented opener does not move the success needle, so it is one less step needed in my bank robbery.

Doing this would cut some bullshiit from non-bar (daygame) approaches.
In a typical non-bar setting, a man approaches a woman, there's a short interaction, and the conversation fizzles out within 30-60 seconds.

That is why you don't stay long enough in the interaction for the convo fizzle out.

This happens before the man offers a future social outing with the woman or asks to collect her contact.

I am usually gone with the wind before 60 seconds.

Why does this happen? In most cases, the woman isn't even in the market.

The majority of women between ages 18-49 aren't seeking new penis at the moment they are approached in a non-bar setting.

That is why, as a HV (high value) man, you want to be the exception to any bullshiit roadblock or obstacle that she'll place in front of you.

"Oh, you ain't seeking new penis at the moment?..well guess what, you're in luck".



When I walk down the street, I'm not seeking the wind to blow a $100 bill towards me...but if it happens, I'm gladly taking the money.

While the man will never know for certain if she's off the market due to boyfriend/husband in these fizzled out conversations, it is the common reason even if it isn't disclosed in the conversation.

I try to avoid the husband excuse as much as I can by choosing to approach in non-bar venues in areas of my city where unmarried people are the majority of an area's population. It works in avoiding the husband excuse for the most part. It's also a good idea to check hands for rings on the left hand in daygame venues. I try to do that as much as I can, but even the best approacher can miss that detail at times.

Doing daygame approaches in areas where unmarrieds are the majority isn't that helpful. Why? Even in those settings, plenty of women have boyfriends at any given moment and won't be seeking new penis. It's possible to get a woman with a less serious boyfriend to monkey branch. It's a more difficult scenario and I don't want to deal with difficulty. Approaching is already difficult enough.

Bro, my opener is 95% of the time; "Are You Single"?

This gives her a chance to..

1. If she has a boyfriend or husband, she can be honest with me by affirming this and thus letting me know she is off the market.

2. Lie to me by telling me she ain't single even though she is, as a way to get me the f out of her face.

3. If she has SUPER high interest in me, she can still f with me and cheat on her man.

Either way, my opener allows women to reject me in quick fashion, for the reason of her being off the market...and vice versa (if she's married).

I like my rejections QUICK.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

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Back to the story..

What is remarkable about the story so far, is that Stacy wasn't even my primary target.

The strategy was used on her just for general purpose, as that's the way I operate operate as a rule of thumb.

There is another young woman that works at the same restaurant, as a hostess (Stacy is her boss).

This woman (let's call her Kim) is of mixed race, petite, long hair, and attractive face.

Her boobies are small but definitely more than a mouthful.

Usually, depending on the day, Ike and I would see Stacy and Kim working at the same time..or sometimes we'll see one without the other.
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Kim, just like Stacy, does a good job of walking the thin line between "I'm being social because I like you" and "I'm being social, because I'm a social person".

Kim became an actual target of mines, because I find her attractive..and I told her that the next time I saw her, Im gonna get her number (I normally give my #, but not in this case).

The next time I saw her, I reminded her that it was time for me to get her number, which she wrote down on a scratch piece of paper.

The problem was, her actions while giving me the # was iffy.

She seemed cold, reluctant, and distant.

Her vibe seemed hella off during the exchange.

Unfortunately for her, I'm the wrong guy to act iffy with .

So, what did I do?
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I used my "ignorement" strategy.

For about the next two weeks, and seeing both Stacy and Kim on different occasions (sometimes separate, sometimes together), I would drift away.

While Ike would do his usual "all up in their faces" routine, I would drift away.

One time, it got to the point where, while Stacy and Kim were talking to Ike, both of their eyes kept cutting to me while they spoke to him.

I heard Stacy ask Ike, "What's wrong with him?".

There were times when Kim was present without Stacy...and Ike (he isn't attracted to Kim), would go up and talk to Kim, and I would drift...tf...away; and I would see Kim stealing glances over in my direction.

And even the times when I didn't drift away, and I stood there with Ike as he spoke to Kim, I wouldn't say anything to her..and Kim would have this look of "Why isn't he speaking to me?!?"

It was so obvious that my lack of attention towards Kim, was effecting her...I actually began to feel sorry for her.

Now, what made my ignorement strategy have an even more profound effect on Kim was the fact that she had already given me her #.

So, since I had not called/texted her yet, her natural thoughts were ,"Why didn't he reach out to me yet, and why ain't he speaking to me now"?

Her mind was undoubtedly going crazy!!
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Now, in closing..

One time, Ike and I went to the restaurant...and it was the same thing.

Kim was there, and Ike greeted her with his usual hug and small talk.

I drifted off, going to have a seat nearby but within eyeview of them...and I could feel Kim's eyes glaring at me.

Once Ike got his food and told me he was ready, I stood up and walked off and passed Kim, but without saying a word.

When Ike and I got to the elevator, Ike, sort of angrily..asked me..

Ike: Bro, why are you doing her like that?



With that one question, my victory was solidified.

Me: Why do you ask? Did she say something?

Ike: Yeah, she asked me what's wrong with you and why you've been acting funny towards her.

Me: Is that right? I'll be back.

So I left Ike and went back to Kim.

She was standing there with a puppy dog face, and I gave her a hug.

Kim: Why haven't you called me?

Me: I got you later. My word.

I begin to walk off, and as I walked off, she said..

Kim: Wait, let me see if you saved my number in your phone correctly!!



So, I pulled out my phone and showed her the number I had for her, and she confirmed it was correct.
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I hit her up later that night.

I went Mode One on her, of which she revealed that she is married ...which was a complete turnoff...and after consideration, I decided that it's best that she and I main work acquaintances.
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I said all that to say..

In both cases with Stacy and Kim (to a greater extent, with Kim), the more I pulled my attention away from them, the more both were drawn to me.

Meanwhile, the more attention that Ike gave them, the less that they were drawn to him.

Do you understand?

It's amazing how that shiit works.

On to the next story, story #2.

Stay tuned.

 

[Donisio]

Kim: Wait, let me see if you saved my number in your phone correctly!!

Chick is married and still worried if you typed her number right. She is available.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Chick is married and still worried if you typed her number right.

Yeah, that's some crazy work.

She is available.

Like hell.