This place has gone to shyt

[Jesse Pinkman]

There is something I have been noticing in a community like this one and just Game groups in general. The guys telling others how to live their lives, telling others what to do with their love lives, what kinds of women to go for and telling others what path to go down in general are rarely guys who are having any success at all with women or at life. It is like this weird little place men go into in communities such as this one where when their lives suck and aren't fulfilling, they tell others how to live theirs.

Call it misery loving company or whatever you want to call it. I often see it with old men who are washed out of the game and no longer successful (or never were in the first place) telling this to younger guys because their own youth passed them by.

I see it with a lot of these Red Pill coaches, famously Donovan Sharpe, who marry ugly old hags and at the same time have the boldness to tell other men who to go for.

And it's not just telling others how to live their lives, such as the very men who tried to spam my field reports thread and told me not to approach and to instead find a girlfriend instead (because they themselves could NEVER handle cold approaching), it is also the critics and the keyboard warriors in general.

The same guys who cannot handle a rejection from a woman because their skin is too thin somehow have the balls to tell real men who can talk to women to give up, because they themselves cannot talk to women and hide their ego behind trying to be an authority figure on the internet forum.

IMO, I want to push the mods of this forum and the admins on here to implement a new rule.

Here is what the rule should say, if you are not actively talking to women, approaching them, or interacting with them in a romantic way, you cannot have an opinion.

If you cannot post a field report or interactions you are having with women, you are banned from any main discussion forums until you do so.

I am a big fan of this system because:

1. It will help guys like @BPH who are putting in the work get the respect and recognition they deserve

2. It will silence the keyboard jockeys that just post theory all day

3. It will give some real credibility to men here based on the fact that they actually interact with women aren't just some neckbeard with a rambling opinion

More than half of the guys on this forum or really any Game community don't even deserve an opinion. They don't talk to girls, they don't get laid, they don't approach, they don't interact with women in a romantic way, and their opinions should be made futile until they prove themselves.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

There is some real psychology here because I think women do it too. Like why is it that the savior complex is usually present in some of the least successful women out there? Similarly, why is it that usually the least successful men in Game who are too busy with drama on some internet forum or obsessing over the life of someone who actually has the balls to talk to women having any say or opinion on any matter? I think that is the root of what is wrong with communities like this and has been wrong with Game forums for a while.

Men who are not successful with women and don't have fulfilling dating lives are telling other men:

• What lifestyle to live
• What kind of woman to go after
• What to do with their own lives

When they themselves live miserable, fruitless, and empty lives. It's a real issue on forums like this and just male spaces in general. Men who have nothing going for them in life and are living a miserable existence somehow telling other men how to live their lives. We need to solve for this and build a hierarchy based on who is actually living the life, actually talking to women, and actually having dating success. If we don't do that, we just end up in a classic case of the blind leading the blind.

We end up in the mess we are in right now where those that have no credibility are given the loudest voices. Half the guys whining and telling others what to do on this forum have no business being on this forum in the first place.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

This is Jesse's private domicile and he will not be harassed. B1tch.

 

[BPH]

There is something I have been noticing in a community like this one and just Game groups in general. The guys telling others how to live their lives, telling others what to do with their love lives, what kinds of women to go for and telling others what path to go down in general are rarely guys who are having any success at all with women or at life. It is like this weird little place men go into in communities such as this one where when their lives suck and aren't fulfilling, they tell others how to live theirs.

Call it misery loving company or whatever you want to call it. I often see it with old men who are washed out of the game and no longer successful (or never were in the first place) telling this to younger guys because their own youth passed them by.

I see it with a lot of these Red Pill coaches, famously Donovan Sharpe, who marry ugly old hags and at the same time have the boldness to tell other men who to go for.

And it's not just telling others how to live their lives, such as the very men who tried to spam my field reports thread and told me not to approach and to instead find a girlfriend instead (because they themselves could NEVER handle cold approaching), it is also the critics and the keyboard warriors in general.

The same guys who cannot handle a rejection from a woman because their skin is too thin somehow have the balls to tell real men who can talk to women to give up, because they themselves cannot talk to women and hide their ego behind trying to be an authority figure on the internet forum.

IMO, I want to push the mods of this forum and the admins on here to implement a new rule.

Here is what the rule should say, if you are not actively talking to women, approaching them, or interacting with them in a romantic way, you cannot have an opinion.

If you cannot post a field report or interactions you are having with women, you are banned from any main discussion forums until you do so.

I am a big fan of this system because:

1. It will help guys like @BPH who are putting in the work get the respect and recognition they deserve

2. It will silence the keyboard jockeys that just post theory all day

3. It will give some real credibility to men here based on the fact that they actually interact with women aren't just some neckbeard with a rambling opinion

More than half of the guys on this forum or really any Game community don't even deserve an opinion. They don't talk to girls, they don't get laid, they don't approach, they don't interact with women in a romantic way, and their opinions should be made futile until they prove themselves.

I appreciate the shoutout, especially since we haven't always seen eye-to-eye.

I like your suggestion, but I don't think it'd be possible to enforce.

I don't think people without experience shouldn't be able to have an opinion - but I DO think they shouldn't have the confidence to give advice. Unfortunately, the only real evidence of one's success comes from what they post on here, and there's no way to really verify things, as in the whole RazorRambo thing.

When I was first getting started with talking to women and getting out of my shell, I met a guy who mentored me a little bit. I don't remember if it was through a game, forum, or elsewhere - I only remember his name.

And I remember his name because we got to a point where we were pretty good (online) friends, so I added him on Facebook. He was in a long-term relationship with a very unattractive woman. From that point, I stopped listening to his advice, because I decided he didn't have what I wanted.

You could try to emphasize the Like feature and Reaction scores more, because I do think people will tend to listen to those of us who have a high like-to-message ratio. The problem with that, at least in my case, is that I posted a LOT in my journal back when I was getting started, and often had nothing of value to add, and no successes to speak of. So that's imperfect too...

I think the best we can do is to show more attention to posts and people who are making an effort to improve and have success in the field. Too many topics are ragebait, theorycrafting, negative articles, etc, as opposed to progress reports, field reports, goal-setting, and the like.

TL;DR I don't know what a solution looks like because I think it would have to be driven by the community, rather than enforced by the mods.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Here is what the rule should say, if you are not actively talking to women, approaching them, or interacting with them in a romantic way, you cannot have an opinion

That'd likely result in YOU getting banned https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/this-place-has-gone-to-shyt.284546/page-6#post-3168036 , right alongside Goodman and Corrector, faster than COVID drops an 80 yearly with a 12 pack a day addiction

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

There are many traits that guys who are not going to make it in Game have but if I had to pinpoint to one where, if I see it in a guy, I am willing to say he is certainly done for then there is that one trait. The day a guy becomes too much of a critic, hater, or a busybody always in someone else's business, he becomes the male version of the fat friend that always ****blocks when you go for the hot girl. In fact, I think that's probably his ceiling in the Game.

For months, I did not come on this forum. In my busiest weeks in Game, I barely had that much time for any internet other than things that were urgent. You just realize that when you put it all together:

• Work
• Social life
• Talking to women
• Setting dates
• Fitness
• Going out
• Business
• Family

You really don't have that much time in a day. Even when you are on a forum like this one, your time is spent more of "oh that's an interesting take" and you just hop off. You don't have the time to:

• Tell others how to live their lives
• Tell other strangers on the internet what they should be doing
• Being a constant critic and hater

You don't have time for any of that drama. In fact, you barely remember any of the names on a random forum let alone what they are up to.

It is a dead giveaway when a guy is that guy who is constantly the busybody on the internet with strangers, not only is his dating life a dump but so is most of his life.

The problem is, it's the internet. We have given guys like this the microphone and a voice. Now we are having our version of the feminist movement for men.

 

[BaronOfHair]

We have given guys like this the microphone and a voice

And that only becomes a problem, IF we start serving as The People's Temple to such a fella's Jim Jones. We ultimately make a choice to behave that foolishly

 

[CornbreadFed]

There will always be the blind leading the blind as said by Good Looking Loser. You can't take the internet seriously because most people are either trolling or venting. There's always going to be haters no matter what you do.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

There are many traits that guys who are not going to make it in Game have but if I had to pinpoint to one where, if I see it in a guy, I am willing to say he is certainly done for then there is that one trait. The day a guy becomes too much of a critic, hater, or a busybody always in someone else's business, he becomes the male version of the fat friend that always ****blocks when you go for the hot girl. In fact, I think that's probably his ceiling in the Game.

For months, I did not come on this forum. In my busiest weeks in Game, I barely had that much time for any internet other than things that were urgent. You just realize that when you put it all together:

• Work
• Social life
• Talking to women
• Setting dates
• Fitness
• Going out
• Business
• Family

You really don't have that much time in a day. Even when you are on a forum like this one, your time is spent more of "oh that's an interesting take" and you just hop off. You don't have the time to:

• Tell others how to live their lives
• Tell other strangers on the internet what they should be doing
• Being a constant critic and hater

You don't have time for any of that drama. In fact, you barely remember any of the names on a random forum let alone what they are up to.

It is a dead giveaway when a guy is that guy who is constantly the busybody on the internet with strangers, not only is his dating life a dump but so is most of his life.

The problem is, it's the internet. We have given guys like this the microphone and a voice. Now we are having our version of the feminist movement for men.

These guys might as well be cops Jesse.

One must always be composed in the face of the enemy.

If you want to cook you have to be willing to take a little heat.

 

[Gamisch]

^^^ There you go folks, prime example of why the forum is going to shyt.

For one, my approaches were NEVER like you say

Second, you should go out to meet women rather than just socialize, I hate when dudes make up the whole "don't go out for women" garbage, like what are you looking to do? Go out to drink beers and socialize with fat football fans lol

The forum goes to shyte because men get in their feelings waaaay too easy instead of realising that there are different strokes for different folks. Approaching = time. Time = money. Women/ dating = money. Money = grind. Can't have it all.

Let's keep it a buck; you crumbled under pressure from your own fabricated stories, left and now you slide back into the room via the backdoor like tadaaa. I'm like huh, he back?

It's all good tho. You are an articulate dude with more than two braincells. Use them, keep it bizz , and all will be good. I'd say: welcome back Felicia

Salute

Ok so you didn't lie on your actual field reports thread, but you did in other places! lol. Thanks for differentiating.

Here are the facts:

Five tough lessons I have learned after consistently running game for months.

In 2022, I made an investment to take game seriously by going out every weekend and talking to women (occasionally weekdays too). I have managed to get numbers, dates, and lays but also come away with some lessons. Before this, I relied on dating apps and a lot of drinking + drunk approaches at...

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Post #9:

In fact, many years ago, I used to sadly be one of those bored guys that occasionally made up some erotica-level posts about him having success but it ruined me more than anything. Come to think of it, I did it because I was quite bored, miserable, and lacked the courage to do daygame and talk to women. I still got mines due to online dating but my game was so awful that I managed to screw up some lay ups.

....

 

[nicksaiz65]

The days of "over-sarging a venue" are in the past. Most venues now don't have much of an approach culture. There doesn't seem to be as much openness on the parts of women to fielding approaches. They don't have that much incentive to field approaches when they have hundreds of men in their smartphone via social media and dating apps who are trying to get first dates and/or sex from them. At any given point, a woman who is seeking new mating options has numerous conversations happening through her smartphone and its internet access.





Most men who get into PUA and mass approaching have a poor experience with it.

Mass approaching leads to mass rejections, which can be quite traumatizing. Getting rejected feels bad. Very few men can deal with the large volumes of rejections that happen with mass approaching in-person. Of course, most men now are getting mass indirect rejections via technology. The not face-to-face, tech-based rejections hit differently than face-to-face, real life rejections.

Mass approachers in real life need to have thicker skin and not be sensitive to rejections.

Yeah, agreed. Very important to not take the rejections personally. If you get all in your feels about the (inevitable) rejections you are doomed.

 

[SW15]

Mass approachers in real life need to have thicker skin and not be sensitive to rejections.

Very important to not take the rejections personally. If you get all in your feels about the (inevitable) rejections you are doomed.

The men who are more sensitive to rejection probably shouldn't do mass approaching in-person. I also wouldn't recommend that those men use swipe apps either. While the swipe app rejections are not in real time, the sheer quantity of rejections will tend to mess with a man's mind and have a negative effect.

I think men need to get an accurate reading on their own sensitivity levels to rejection.

The men who are more sensitive to rejection are probably best in social circle game. Social circle game can be long and slow. It's not the best thing to do when you have an urgent sexual need. It will probably minimize the effect of rejections as compared to approaching strangers in non-bar venues in public or going to bars/nightclubs and approaching strangers.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

The forum goes to shyte because men get in their feelings waaaay too easy instead of realising that there are different strokes for different folks. Approaching = time. Time = money. Women/ dating = money. Money = grind. Can't have it all.

Let's keep it a buck; you crumbled under pressure from your own fabricated stories, left and now you slide back into the room via the backdoor like tadaaa. I'm like huh, he back?

Gamisch lying and being a Karen, some thing never change on this forum. But let's break your entire argument apart.

1. It is for men to determine what is right for them, not you Karen. You should not be telling other men how to live their lives, especially when yours is nothing to envy.

2. I said I fabricated stories many many years ago, not in my field report. All in my field report thread was legit and happened. Then again, I can't expect a Karen like you who can't even perfect his own life but somehow feels the right to tell others how to live theirs to have that much reading comprehension.

Just saying Karen, it's time to fix your own life than telling others how to live theirs. It will do you a lot of good, Karen.

 

[Gamisch]

Gamisch lying and being a Karen, some thing never change on this forum. But let's break your entire argument apart.

1. It is for men to determine what is right for them, not you Karen. You should not be telling other men how to live their lives, especially when yours is nothing to envy.

2. I said I fabricated stories many many years ago, not in my field report. All in my field report thread was legit and happened. Then again, I can't expect a Karen like you who can't even perfect his own life but somehow feels the right to tell others how to live theirs to have that much reading comprehension.

Just saying Karen, it's time to fix your own life than telling others how to live theirs. It will do you a lot of good, Karen.

Don't project your bs on me bruh..multiple people been calling you out in "the locker room". Sometimes you gotta sit back and roll with the punches.

I have zero incentive to make up stories and then crumble because I've been living a lie. All I say is real: the good the bad and the ugly.


You left expecting people to cry because ifof your exit but it was a powerless move because you exposed YOURSELF. Talking about fixing my life: just got ANOTHER big job. Juli and August I've been working around the clock only taking time off to visit my daughter. My painting / carpentry bizz is going crazy . September is filled for half the month already making it a 2/5 month streak of consistently working from 6 in the morning till 21.00/ 22.00. 6 new clients in the pipeline...Say whuuuut.

Unfortunately my pictures are too large ( pause) to upload cause I tried to show yall what im doing. Shyte going great here.


Anyhow , welcome back. This time just keep it 100 and all will be good. One love

 

[inquisitor]

1). Younger men are opting out of dating. I brought up the fact that you see less novice dating advice being requested by men. Less new traffic means more stagnation.

2). Fast dating isn’t rocket science. It doesn’t take a man long enough to figure out cold approach and basic game theory.

3). Most guys have other interests outside cold approaching and pua. Rollo is married and I wouldn’t be shocked if the majority of the forums posters were secretly married or in LTRs. PUA and Cold Approaching are just the interests of a smaller group of men. In addition, they take a lot of time and energy too, do there’s frequent cool downs.

I doubt it's opting out of dating. Younger men, I'd say, and I would know since I am one of them, are both busy at this time building themselves up, and at the same time unaware that forums like these exist. They do want to date, they just don't know how, or what to do, because they don't have a solid (and dare I say it, mainstream) framework to base their romantic mentalities and pursuits upon. I only became aware of this forum out of sheer luck combined with immense pain.

Indeed, it isn't rocket science, but again, if you're basing your personality and appeal to women on trashy mainstream media about how a man should be, of course you'd be lost too, and the worse part is, you don't even know it.

3 is spot-on. There's also much more to life than cold approaches and the ability to pick up girls. Hell, I was only able to come back here because I remembered I used to stay here a lot during college. Still working on myself, mind you.

 

[Gamisch]

Elaborate more on this

I missed this one, unfortunately, because your are SPOT ON!

Men don't realise what they in for..women follow what other women do, while men try to create their own little beta bytch fantasy island where they can defy the modern dating market. And I've witnessed this IRL countless of times.

I mean..the highest number I've heard so far is 76 % of men dont date...and no, I have no idea who and how they came up with that number. Yet my spidey sense tells me it's not that far from yhe truth..

And let's not glorify the men who do date. Most LTRs are a shyteshow where the man eventually ends up being a servant to his woman's whims. On top of this morality isnt what ot used to be.
As I said before; women follow women and cheating is glorified instead of shamed.

My solution: if the top 20/15 % of men get to take home most of the cake, then oogu boogu dumb me would say the " easiest " solution for a man individually is to get his azz into that percentile of top dudes...

 

[BaronOfHair]

what are some of the specific things that have changed. laws, culture, health, tech. what caused this?

Cultural temperments inevitably shift, for better and worse

14:57-14:59

During the heyday of that series though, it was often hailed for it's "strong, complex female characters", in contrast to airheads in the mold of Ally McBeal and Bridget Jones. Today, simply BEING empowered-without ever really invoking terms like "Girl Boss" and "Alpha"-is seen as outmoded, while remaining perpetually mired in angst is in

Dunno then that SS has gone to sh-t, so much as it is a reflection of where we're at culturally. Vehemently as The Manosphere tries to pretend otherwise, we CIS heterosexual men don't exist separately from the rest of society, and we're no less susceptible to the malfunctions that plague every other demographic

 

[justaroundthecorner]

I think a lot of misunderstandings come from exchanging opinions between guys that have different age, status and relationship situation.

When you are 40 you have usually different set of experience, skills, looks, personality, amount of assets therefore adifferent SMV than when you are 30 and it is the same song for bring 50, 60 or 25. We all have different lives and objectives too.

There is this rule on the forums to indicate your age in the profile for Mature Man threads - I think your own honest assessment of your SMV should be put into the profile as well - however I would also add "Looks" category as third factor, as current dating world is relying very heavily on looks (probably even more than ever).

I think that putting some basic data and building rules around them would allow to stop some quarels from happening as some things that work for SMV 7, looks 7 guy will not work SMV 6 (but looks 5) guy while SMV 7 but looks 9 guy will be able to pull off things that SMV 7 looks 7 guy will be never able to pull of (in spite of e.g. better other factors value of SMV, looks 7 guy).

BTW. Concerning field reports - I am married guy but dated a lot before my marriage between 2015 - 2020, I think the most of my experience is still relevant therefore I post mostly about theory and am interested in threads that are oriented on other aspects of life as well, not necessarily dating.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I think a lot of misunderstandings come from exchanging opinions between guys that have different age, status and relationship situation

Even more arise from our current proclivity for getting stuck on one word or sentence we don't entirely agree with, jumping to the conclusion "This'll NEVER work", instead of mining the input we receive for potential benefits

Thus, it's not infrequent for us to end up with threads such as these

Is it even worth it for a guy like me to try with making moves in-person?

I've had 9 free sex partners. That being said, the "make a move on a woman in person; get laid" strategy has never gotten me laid. Of my 9 free partners, 7 came from hookup websites. 2 just sort of happened (with neither of us making the move). I've also been on dates with 8 different gals...

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Getting with older women

Most men on here appear to be into younger women. I am in somewhat of the opposite position. Despite being 32, I prefer women in the 45-65 age range (I might even be willing to go above 65 on a case-by-case basis). Is there anything different about the approach a man should use when trying to...

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Thinking you'll probably get rejected vs thinking you'll definitely get rejected

The thread title is only allowed to be so long. I will explain more on my post. In my latest counseling session, my counselor put words in my mouth. She accused me of thinking "I've been rejected before, therefore the odds of me getting rejected any time I shoot my shot from here on out are...

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Which begin with someone pretending to request aid, then stretch out for pages, on account of folks being more invested in manufacturing rationalizations for NOT altering their self-defeating beliefs and behaviors

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Even more arise from our current proclivity for getting stuck on one word or sentence we don't entirely agree with, jumping to the conclusion "This'll NEVER work", instead of mining the input we receive for potential benefits

Thus, it's not infrequent for us to end up with threads such as these

Is it even worth it for a guy like me to try with making moves in-person?

I've had 9 free sex partners. That being said, the "make a move on a woman in person; get laid" strategy has never gotten me laid. Of my 9 free partners, 7 came from hookup websites. 2 just sort of happened (with neither of us making the move). I've also been on dates with 8 different gals...

www.sosuave.net

Getting with older women

Most men on here appear to be into younger women. I am in somewhat of the opposite position. Despite being 32, I prefer women in the 45-65 age range (I might even be willing to go above 65 on a case-by-case basis). Is there anything different about the approach a man should use when trying to...

www.sosuave.net

Thinking you'll probably get rejected vs thinking you'll definitely get rejected

The thread title is only allowed to be so long. I will explain more on my post. In my latest counseling session, my counselor put words in my mouth. She accused me of thinking "I've been rejected before, therefore the odds of me getting rejected any time I shoot my shot from here on out are...

www.sosuave.net

Which begin with someone pretending to request aid, then stretch out for pages, on account of folks being more invested in manufacturing rationalizations for NOT altering their self-defeating beliefs and behaviors

C'mon Baron everyone's stubborn here