Total submission or nothing

[Gamisch]

Advice from the old lady:

Let me ask you brainiacs a serious question....To what exactly is she submitting? Hmmm? You think she needs to submit just because you have male anatomy? Don't make me laugh.

As a man you must LEAD. As a man you must have a life, a plan, an ambition or mission that she can get on board with.

If you do not LEAD no sane woman worthy of being in a relationship will ever submit to you. This is why @Glassguy doesn't experience this problem. He knows how to lead and he has his life arranged where a good woman wants to be led by him.

If a woman will not submit to good leadership then she is unworthy of relationship. She will be replaced. Glass can speak to this.

But everything starts with leadership.

Without it a man does not deserve a woman's submission. He cannot be trusted to make good decisions or take care of her wellbeing.

Leadership is trust. Can a woman trust you to make good decisions, can she trust you to take care of her so she can relax into her feminine self? My son leads. His wife happily submits because she trusts him and trusts that he makes good decisions and trusts that he cares for her and their family.

So before you guys start spouting off about lack of submission, you better take a long hard look at yourself.

You must be worthy of her submission.

Women are not stupid these days. Let me illustrate with a metaphor: If I know how to drive the car and you do not? No way do I trust you to drive because you will wreck. Your lack of knowledge will cause me harm.

Would you let someone who can't drive (doesn't know how or sucks at it) drive you?

Of course not. Its too dangerous; too much risk.

Focus on learning to lead in life, really LEAD. Focus on getting your act together. Until you have something worthy for her to submit to you will not find a good woman willing to submit to you.

I'll let you in on a secret. Women WANT to submit. But not to a man who is drifting about aimlessly with no gameplan in life. Women are better off taking care of themselves in that case. Its a safer bet.

Most men stink at leadership. And yet they are surprised when a woman won't fall in line.

SMH.

Let me get this straight , so you also confirm that it's "natural " for a woman to submit to ( the right) man?

 

[DJ Novice]

Leadership is not the holy grail to female submission.
It may be to @BeExcellent but not to other women. There are other qualities that some women desire more than leadership.

Female submission is best demonstrated in the bedroom. If she wishes to explore all your bedroom fantasies (within reason) plus her own and you feel as though you’re starring in your own p*rn movie (over the long term, not just in the honeymoon phase) then it’s a good sign she’s really into you.

Bonus points if she loves cooking great meals for you and understands your need for space and peace in a relationship.

If you can give her multiple orgasms on a regular basis she will find it very hard to leave.

 

[BaronOfHair]

This is a much older "debate" than we moderns often realize https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seventh_Veil

Quote: "Looking back at the movie and its reception, Todd said, "It was the film that had everything — a bit of Pygmalion, a bit of Trilby, a bit of Cinderella. Apart from all that it's an intriguing psychological drama and was one of the first films to have a hero who was cruel. Most male stars up to then had been honest, kind, upstanding, good-looking men that the female star was supposed to feel safe and secure with for the rest of her life when they finally got together at the end of the film. Not so with our smash hit. The men saw me as a victim and the women thrilled to Mason's power and cruelty, as women have thrilled to this since the world began, however much they deny it..."

Now, I'm not advocating "cruelty"... Point is, there's nothing remotely appealing about spinelessness, ESPECIALLY in a man

 

[Gamisch]

Advice from the old lady:

Let me ask you brainiacs a serious question....To what exactly is she submitting? Hmmm? You think she needs to submit just because you have male anatomy? Don't make me laugh.

As a man you must LEAD. As a man you must have a life, a plan, an ambition or mission that she can get on board with.

If you do not LEAD no sane woman worthy of being in a relationship will ever submit to you. This is why @Glassguy doesn't experience this problem. He knows how to lead and he has his life arranged where a good woman wants to be led by him.

If a woman will not submit to good leadership then she is unworthy of relationship. She will be replaced. Glass can speak to this.

But everything starts with leadership.

Without it a man does not deserve a woman's submission. He cannot be trusted to make good decisions or take care of her wellbeing.

Leadership is trust. Can a woman trust you to make good decisions, can she trust you to take care of her so she can relax into her feminine self? My son leads. His wife happily submits because she trusts him and trusts that he makes good decisions and trusts that he cares for her and their family.

So before you guys start spouting off about lack of submission, you better take a long hard look at yourself.

You must be worthy of her submission.

Women are not stupid these days. Let me illustrate with a metaphor: If I know how to drive the car and you do not? No way do I trust you to drive because you will wreck. Your lack of knowledge will cause me harm.

Would you let someone who can't drive (doesn't know how or sucks at it) drive you?

Of course not. Its too dangerous; too much risk.

Focus on learning to lead in life, really LEAD. Focus on getting your act together. Until you have something worthy for her to submit to you will not find a good woman willing to submit to you.

I'll let you in on a secret. Women WANT to submit. But not to a man who is drifting about aimlessly with no gameplan in life. Women are better off taking care of themselves in that case. Its a safer bet.

Most men stink at leadership. And yet they are surprised when a woman won't fall in line.

SMH.

My idea if submission is "to surrender ". This goes both ways . Both genders gotta submit. The man submits by leading, while the woman submits by following his lead. Ofcouree we look at this from the male pov thus we talk about female submission.

 

[plumber]

Advice from the old lady:

Let me ask you brainiacs a serious question....To what exactly is she submitting? Hmmm? You think she needs to submit just because you have male anatomy? Don't make me laugh.

As a man you must LEAD. As a man you must have a life, a plan, an ambition or mission that she can get on board with.

If you do not LEAD no sane woman worthy of being in a relationship will ever submit to you. This is why @Glassguy doesn't experience this problem. He knows how to lead and he has his life arranged where a good woman wants to be led by him.

If a woman will not submit to good leadership then she is unworthy of relationship. She will be replaced. Glass can speak to this.

But everything starts with leadership.

Without it a man does not deserve a woman's submission. He cannot be trusted to make good decisions or take care of her wellbeing.

Leadership is trust. Can a woman trust you to make good decisions, can she trust you to take care of her so she can relax into her feminine self? My son leads. His wife happily submits because she trusts him and trusts that he makes good decisions and trusts that he cares for her and their family.

So before you guys start spouting off about lack of submission, you better take a long hard look at yourself.

You must be worthy of her submission.

Women are not stupid these days. Let me illustrate with a metaphor: If I know how to drive the car and you do not? No way do I trust you to drive because you will wreck. Your lack of knowledge will cause me harm.

Would you let someone who can't drive (doesn't know how or sucks at it) drive you?

Of course not. Its too dangerous; too much risk.

Focus on learning to lead in life, really LEAD. Focus on getting your act together. Until you have something worthy for her to submit to you will not find a good woman willing to submit to you.

I'll let you in on a secret. Women WANT to submit. But not to a man who is drifting about aimlessly with no gameplan in life. Women are better off taking care of themselves in that case. Its a safer bet.

Most men stink at leadership. And yet they are surprised when a woman won't fall in line.

SMH.

what are you telling that is different than what is already told ? girl will not follow boy if boy is lost. if boy is stable mental and emotional girl will follow. she might contribute more then the man, but will follow if he is stable. the problem is lots of unstable men. they desperately want to be stable and do not know how. the women can not help them as they also do not know how.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Most women want to submit to a guy, but not the wrong guy. This is why women walk around frustrated with most men because most men have lost the ability to lead and are acting like feminine men trying to fake masculinity.

 

[BaronOfHair]

...most men have lost the ability to lead...

It's not a matter of "loss"... One has to cultuvate and practice the skill of leadership. Today, too many of us are investing in activities which DENIGRATE our capacity to simply be social, to say nothing of leading

 

[zekko]

Just having your sh!t together is attractive, because there are so many guys who don't have it together. Women need to be able to trust your judgement. Cover your bases, competently.

 

[The Duke]

You could basically ask her to marry you and she would instantly say yes.

The ultimate act of submission is one asks me to marry and I tell her never...and she still stays.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Gentlemen ,there are only two flavours in this ish: 1.she either submits 100% or 2. she doesn't.

Let's look at what total submission looks like:
-she is completely of the market and yours completely
-she waits for you whatever you do. (Thas why dudes in jail can keep a woman off the marker for sometimes years.
-to allude to the first one: her p00sy is soaking for you at any time. She loves having sex (with you)
- she is willing to listing and adjust
- she does feminine shyte as washing your clothes making you food sucking you D cleaning your house with a smile
-yes she will be on your azz with drama ( great thing!!).

One thing to remember is that crazy/toxic women often act this way too, at least in the beginning. She'll be more submissive to you than Uncle Tom was to Mr. Shelby (@BaronOfHair will appreciate this reference). And then she'll blindside you by branch-swinging and dumping your ass when you least expect it. Or turn into a completely different person once the hook is in.

 

[Gamisch]

One thing to remember is that crazy/toxic women often act this way too, at least in the beginning. She'll be more submissive to you than Uncle Tom was to Mr. Shelby (@BaronOfHair will appreciate this reference). And then she'll blindside you by branch-swinging and dumping your ass when you least expect it. Or turn into a completely different person once the hook is in.

I know. Yet it's a better experience than being the one chasing ,investing and still ending up getting dumped.

It's like thinking Burger king is a prime restaurant because you've never went to an actual 5 star restaurant.

To keep it easy: there are layers to every aspect of a relationship with a woman. From seduction to maintaining the relationship to dealing with her when she loses interest. There are ( arguably) ways to " do it right". If she monkeybrances and you know how to move on quick you might've won it at the end.

 

[Gamisch]

Just having your sh!t together is attractive, because there are so many guys who don't have it together. Women need to be able to trust your judgement. Cover your bases, competently.

It's especially powerful when you come up from nothing. Nothing can also mean been through bad relationships.

A man with knowledge of the game, RL experience with women and yet his shyte together is a monster.

 

[Sega Genesis]

Leadership is not the holy grail to female submission.
It may be to @BeExcellent but not to other women. There are other qualities that some women desire more than leadership.

Female submission is best demonstrated in the bedroom. If she wishes to explore all your bedroom fantasies (within reason) plus her own and you feel as though you’re starring in your own p*rn movie (over the long term, not just in the honeymoon phase) then it’s a good sign she’s really into you.

Bonus points if she loves cooking great meals for you and understands your need for space and peace in a relationship.

If you can give her multiple orgasms on a regular basis she will find it very hard to leave.

I am also female like BE and understand your point about leadership but how about consistency and congruency?

Just my read on her post but I think she was referring to some men expecting total submission simply because he's a man and has a penis.

It takes more than that.

Also I'm curious how you (generic you) define total submission?

Should she not have a voice, her own opinion and be allowed to express it? Lest you think she's being defiant and not complying?

Is she allowed to have a life outside of just you that's important to her?

I've read that which is why I ask.

Lastly...

The most important about total submission is that it allows you to be a KING. Whereas a woman who doubts you makes you feel like a LOSER

No one, woman or man, can '"make" you feel like a loser without your permission.

No person should allow another person to have that type of power and control over them.

 

[ValiantMale]

Just having your sh!t together is attractive, because there are so many guys who don't have it together. Women need to be able to trust your judgement. Cover your bases, competently.

This is very true. I was going to make a pos tabout this and about how some guys get laid based off just being good stand up guys with great character and personality and having their **** together because most guys woman think of as douchebags or trash.

 

[Gamisch]

I am also female like BE and understand your point about leadership but how about consistency and congruency?

Just my read on her post but I think she was referring to some men expecting total submission simply because he's a man and has a penis.

It takes more than that.

Also I'm curious how you (generic you) define total submission?

Should she not have a voice, her own opinion and be allowed to express it? Lest you think she's being defiant and not complying?

Is she allowed to have a life outside of just you that's important to her?

I've read that which is why I ask.

Lastly...



No one, woman or man, can '"make" you feel like a loser without your permission.

No person should allow another person to have that type of power and control over them.

I gotta disagree and tbh it's 1000% experience talking.

We as men can't understand why we can be placed at let's nr 3 by someone who simultaneously shares EVERYTHING with us.

The easiest way to make a man feel like a loser is via women. A homeless guy can take a rich guy's woman and at the end the rich guy is viewed as a loser. That's how extreme these things are.

Your qoute is somewhat motivational, but in everyday reality it's doesn't hold up when a man deals with a woman he invested in heavily while getting mixed signals.

 

[Gamisch]

I am also female like BE and understand your point about leadership but how about consistency and congruency?

Just my read on her post but I think she was referring to some men expecting total submission simply because he's a man and has a penis.

It takes more than that.

Also I'm curious how you (generic you) define total submission?

Should she not have a voice, her own opinion and be allowed to express it? Lest you think she's being defiant and not complying?

Is she allowed to have a life outside of just you that's important to her?

I've read that which is why I ask.

Lastly...



No one, woman or man, can '"make" you feel like a loser without your permission.

No person should allow another person to have that type of power and control over them.

That's why I would never advice men to say this out loud especially not to the woman he pursues.

Submission isn't about bowing down and saying yes meister. It's about a woman trying her best to add value to a man.

- 1. A woman who is loyal ,feminine and pleasant to be around is perhaps equal to a million bucks
2. A man who loves to take care of his woman ALSO submits his masculine energy to her.( which ultimately may include giving his life to protect her )

It's almost the equivalent of women saying he must pay for the first date; its about principles and submission..hence why some women hate the notorious coffee / walk in the park 1st dates

 

[Sega Genesis]

Your qoute is somewhat motivational, but in everyday reality it's doesn't hold up when a man deals with a woman he invested in heavily while getting mixed signals.

OK but instead of internalizing it and feeling like a loser why not choose to walk away?

I understand he's invested but does that investment render him incapable of rational thought and doing what's best for himself?

Which is, when a woman is playing games, sending mixed messages and otherwise bringing you down, wish her the best and leave before feeling like a loser?

Same advice for women when roles are reversed.

That said, not being a man myself I am unable to understand the power of 'p*ssy,' and if that's the case fair enough!

 

[Sega Genesis]

Submission isn't about bowing down and saying yes meister. It's about a woman trying her best to add value to a man.

- 1. A woman who is loyal ,feminine and pleasant to be around is perhaps equal to a million bucks
2. A man who loves to take care of his woman ALSO submits his masculine energy to her.( which ultimately may include giving his life to protect her )

I agree with this^^! 100%.

 

[BeExcellent]

You know @Gamisch there are days when I wish good ole Uncle Atom Smasher was still around.

I stand by what I said. Being male with a penis is not enough. Frankly being killer in bed is not enough either. A long term relationship occurs mostly outside the bedroom. Great sex is great, don't get me wrong, but its not enough.

Some of y'all are young, a generation or more younger than myself, @zekko @The Duke @Scaramouche......Some of you haven't gotten off the starting line yet, some of y'all are not entirely sure where the starting line even is!!

More young women are pursuing higher education today than ever before....more than young men at least in the US.....so women are more self sufficient than ever before. Why would a self sufficient young woman who has made a huge investment into herself and her future submit to a young man (or any man) who is spinning his wheels? More young women are opting out of the SMP altogether, and its not because they are all lesbians or something. It is because so many men are imbeciles or dolts and can barely tie their own shoes or pick up their room.

Too many men are in this fantasy land that unconditional mommy love and helicopter parenting and participation trophies created. The fantasy that they are special snowflakes and entitled to everything without having to do the heavy lifting. No achievement required. Too many men are looking for a woman to literally suckle them. Not joking.

Wake up.

You're not special. Nobody cares about you. Nobody cares about me either....I'm just over all that...who cares.

But everybody cares about people who get results in life. So the faster y'all get your acts together and get off your asses and down the road toward something constructive the better off you'll be.

Just go do it. You'll see.

 

[SW15]

Too many men are in this fantasy land that unconditional mommy love and helicopter parenting and participation trophies created.

Women received helicopter parenting and participation trophies too. Why the difference?

More young women are pursuing higher education today than ever before....more than young men at least in the US.....so women are more self sufficient than ever before.

Men have been on the front lines of the cultural failure in higher education. In the Millennial generation, many men graduated into the Great Recession unemployed and underemployed. The Great Recession affected white collar men more than white collar women. Women have been receiving preferential treatment in hiring and in layoff decisions.

Gen Z watched the Millennials get screwed over in higher education and white collar work. That's part of why they haven't been going to college as much.

The college/university path was pushed too hard for the Millennial generation and trade school wasn't pushed hard enough.

More young women are opting out of the SMP altogether, and its not because they are all lesbians or something. It is because so many men are imbeciles or dolts and can barely tie their own shoes or pick up their room.

Men are more likely to be non-participants in the sexual marketplace. Women rejecting a larger percentage of men leading to more men choosing non-participation. Repeated female rejection creates MGTOW men.