Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.

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Why would anyone join Tinder just to make friends?

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I got my first match on Tinder...yet after checking out her profile, it says she's only on Tinder to make new friends.

Using an app for dating or sex makes sense. It's been said on the forum before that once you reach a certain age, your day-to-day routine isn't exactly conducive to finding a partner.

Using an app just to make friends, on the other hand, isn't that the epitome of desperate? You might as well be holding a sign that says "I'm such a pariah, no one I meet organically wants to be my friend"
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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You take things too literal.
Tinder has a number of options you can pick from (as far as what you're looking for).

The options include:

-long term relationship
-short term fun
-long term (but open to short)
-short term (but open to long)
-still figuring it out
-new friends

I don't think I'm taking it too literally. With the multitude of dating/sex-related options to pick from, there's no reason to select the "new friends" option unless you really are only looking for friends.
 

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I don't know the first thing about OLD, but I've always heard that women use the "looking for friends" bit to make it look like they aren't 403ing it up.
 

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You take things too literal.
That's correct.

There's zero chance that a woman is on Tinder seeking new friends. She is seeking new friends with sexual benefits. She's conveniently omitting that part. She isn't picking "short term fun" based on Anti-Slut Defense, as @zekko mentions. They do this on the off chance that someone they know in real life sees them on there.

If a woman is actually looking for friends, she knows she can use the Bumble BFF app (launched in 2016, well known) or attend Meetup.com events. There are other things that a woman can do in the real world to find friends.
 
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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That's correct.

There's zero chance that a woman is on Tinder seeking new friends. She is seeking new friends with sexual benefits. She's conveniently omitting that part. She isn't picking "short term fun" based on Anti-Slut Defense, as @zekko mentions. They do this on the off chance that someone they know in real life sees them on there.

If a woman is actually looking for friends, she knows she can use the Bumble BFF app (launched in 2016, well known) or attend Meetup.com events. There are other things that woman can do in the real world to find friends.
Hmm, in that case, perhaps I should message the woman I matched with on Tinder who put "new friends" as her selection of what she's looking for.
 

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Tinder has a number of options you can pick from (as far as what you're looking for).

The options include:

-long term relationship
-short term fun
-long term (but open to short)
-short term (but open to long)
-still figuring it out
-new friends

I don't think I'm taking it too literally. With the multitude of dating/sex-related options to pick from, there's no reason to select the "new friends" option unless you really are only looking for friends.
It’s either plausible deniability or the way she wants her romantic movie to begin. You’re just too dense to see it.
 

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It’s either plausible deniability or the way she wants her romantic movie to begin. You’re just too dense to see it.
@SW15's post got me to see the light.

I went ahead and messaged the Tinder woman whose profile says she's only looking for friends (and she replied back)

I've also been chatting back and forth with a fattie (my own age :lol:)

This is my first time using Tinder (and I haven't been tremendously active on apps period this past decade). It's inevitable I'd be unfamiliar with certain stuff.
 

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@SW15's post got me to see the light.

I went ahead and messaged the Tinder woman whose profile says she's only looking for friends (and she replied back)

I've also been chatting back and forth with a fattie (my own age :lol:)

This is my first time using Tinder (and I haven't been tremendously active on apps period this past decade). It's inevitable I'd be unfamiliar with certain stuff.
1. It is not only Tinder. Men communicate overtly; women communicate covertly. I’ve said this many times to you. If you happen to go out with a woman after hours and she invites you to her house, then tells you, “Don’t think we’re going to have sex,” it usually means she’s actually considering it, but she wants you to lead the situation without being presumptuous. You need to stop thinking so literally. Seduction is about reading signs, the ability to send and receive them through clothing, gestures, and actions.

2. There’s a Spanish saying that loosely translates to, “The devil knows more from experience than because he’s the devil,” or more simply, “There’s no substitute for experience.” The advice and judgment you get here comes from knowledge gained by men who have conquered many women, we’re telling you what actually works. The truth is, 99% of the advice you get here works, but you don’t apply it. You need to actually follow the advice if you want to be successful.
 

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...it says she's only on Tinder to make new friends
We live in an era where words("safety" and "trauma" being but two egregious examples)are continously being redefined, ergo I urge you to exercise caution here, hoss... By "friend", this chick may REALLY mean: "Someone to play Aoyama to my Asami"
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Let us know if your "friend" goes anywhere beyond online chatter. That is still a good result after just going on Tinder. It's better than nothing which was the default expectation. How old is she?

In terms of the answer to the first post of your thread....women are different than guys. They tend to be more ASD/screening on their profile, especially someone who looks like her. It best to be yourself and if you are not too overinvested (ie she doesn't sound too hot based on how you describe her), then she might be making the moves on you.
 

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Let us know if your "friend" goes anywhere beyond online chatter. That is still a good result after just going on Tinder. It's better than nothing which was the default expectation. How old is she?
I don't recall the exact age (but close to me)
 

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Men communicate overtly; women communicate covertly. I’ve said this many times to you. If you happen to go out with a woman after hours and she invites you to her house, then tells you, “Don’t think we’re going to have sex,” it usually means she’s actually considering it, but she wants you to lead the situation without being presumptuous. You need to stop thinking so literally. Seduction is about reading signs, the ability to send and receive them through clothing, gestures, and actions.
The majority of men have difficulty reading female covert signs. Plenty of neurotypical men have misread female covert communication and had an unpleasant experience as a result.

The combination of real experience and absorbing good seduction content helps with handling these situations.

The advice and judgment you get here comes from knowledge gained by men who have conquered many women, we’re telling you what actually works. The truth is, 99% of the advice you get here works, but you don’t apply it. You need to actually follow the advice if you want to be successful.
He's received good advice on this forum.

Back in the early 2000s, when I was first getting into seduction, I was reading various content creators. Some would have been called PUAs. Although forums existed back then, I was not reading one.

Following good advice is crucial.
 

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I got my first match on Tinder...yet after checking out her profile, it says she's only on Tinder to make new friends.

Using an app for dating or sex makes sense. It's been said on the forum before that once you reach a certain age, your day-to-day routine isn't exactly conducive to finding a partner.

Using an app just to make friends, on the other hand, isn't that the epitome of desperate? You might as well be holding a sign that says "I'm such a pariah, no one I meet organically wants to be my friend"
There is only one reason that anyone is on the apps. Sexual connection. It may not be spontaneously driven, it may actually be relationship driven, but both paths lead to both parties being there for the same reason.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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He's received good advice on this forum.

Back in the early 2000s, when I was first getting into seduction, I was reading various content creators. Some would have been called PUAs. Although forums existed back then, I was not reading one.

Following good advice is crucial.
In real life, I tend to hit it off better with the opposite sex than with my own gender.

At work, for example, I mainly socialize with the opposite sex (both in my workplace as well as other workplaces in my office building). Same thing in my condo building (I talk to female neighbors/employees more than I talk to male neighbors/employees). So much for a claim that was made on a recent post (by our most active female poster) that I'm afraid of the opposite sex.

Yet, interestingly, my hitting it off with the opposite sex hasn't really translated into much luck in the dating/intercourse department.

You'd think a man who naturally gravitates toward the opposite sex would be a natural at getting cooch (and wouldn't even need to consult the internet)
 

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In real life, I tend to hit it off better with the opposite sex than with my own gender.

At work, for example, I mainly socialize with the opposite sex (both in my workplace as well as other workplaces in my office building). Same thing in my condo building (I talk to female neighbors/employees more than I talk to male neighbors/employees). So much for a claim that was made on a recent post (by our most active female poster) that I'm afraid of the opposite sex.

Yet, interestingly, my hitting it off with the opposite sex hasn't really translated into much luck in the dating/intercourse department.

You'd think a man who naturally gravitates toward the opposite sex would be a natural at getting cooch (and wouldn't even need to consult the internet)
It is possible to be good at connecting with and befriending women, but not necessarily be actively dating/sexing them.

There are some straight guys that “click” better with women than men socially.
 
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1. It is not only Tinder. Men communicate overtly; women communicate covertly. I’ve said this many times to you. If you happen to go out with a woman after hours and she invites you to her house, then tells you, “Don’t think we’re going to have sex,” it usually means she’s actually considering it, but she wants you to lead the situation without being presumptuous. You need to stop thinking so literally. Seduction is about reading signs, the ability to send and receive them through clothing, gestures, and actions.
Actually I think that's BS used by hoes and the sort of #metoo crazies that cry rape the next day because they either didn't like the sex and/or to play the victim card. A self-respecting guy would simply decline that kind of invitation. And if she comes up with that line when arriving at the house, he'd just make an excuse and leave. That would be a lesson she'd never forget.
 

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Back on topic, she’s probably looking for FWB. And in the off chance the guy is really cool but not attractive (or attractive but so so in bed), she could possibly entertain the possibility of a guy friend.

But it’s primarily for FWB. Platonic friend is a hedge or worst case scenario.
 
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There are some straight guys that “click” better with women than men socially.
I've never seen that happen. My friends are all men. I have some female acquaintances. I connect better on a friendship level with men.

she’s probably looking for FWB.
Yes, that's it. Multiple posters have said that. Tinder is a tough app. It's even tougher than Bumble or Hinge.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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