The carnivore diet: yah or nay?

[Vending Machine Veteran]

You can only control what you can control. Our environment is fvcked, the food you choose to put inside you doesn't need to be

If the food i eat kills me, i will be amazed

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

And i only say that because i expect the alcohol, tobacco, hypertension, handsomeness etc, to do it first.

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

I don't like the argument our ancestors couldn't find many carbohydrates, so we shouldn't eat them

Evolution is a complicated subject. How long does it take for changes to manifest?

It can't be too long, because Europeans adapted to drinking cow's milk pretty quick. We're talking hundreds of years, right?

So if that's the case, then any argument referencing further back is null and void

 

[Giovanni SouthSide]

I eat grass fed beef liver steaks 3 times a week and some ground beef ancestral blend of beef liver and beef heart as main beef source. Alot of pasture raised eggs. You can also get a good nut butter and make sandwiches on the go. Drizzle it with raw honey. I still eat other protein and carbs. I try to stick to whole grain sprouted carbs, jasmine rice, organic white potatoes (I make dank french fries with olive oil on the air frier). The occasional medium pizza to remind myself of getting this far in life.
Life is short, my guy. Sleep well, fvck good, train and enjoy food.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

I don't like the argument our ancestors couldn't find many carbohydrates, so we shouldn't eat them

Evolution is a complicated subject. How long does it take for changes to manifest?

It can't be too long, because Europeans adapted to drinking cow's milk pretty quick. We're talking hundreds of years, right?

So if that's the case, then any argument referencing further back is null and void

i do agree and i especially hate the paleo diet for this reason. first, just because our ancestors did it a certain way, doesn't mean it was optimal. second, even was optimal for them, that doesn't mean it still is now. after all, we spent much of our time physically active, and now we are sedentary. throw in tens of thousands of generations of genetic and epigenetic mutations, new environments, new foods, and its not at all obvious what has changed. we know so little about the body and brain its laughable.

 

[Travel memoir21]

I'm actually thinking of going Vegetarian.

My protein would be whey powder, milk, potatoes, and vitamins etc

 

[Bible_Belt]

i do agree and i especially hate the paleo diet for this reason. first, just because our ancestors did it a certain way, doesn't mean it was optimal. second, even was optimal for them, that doesn't mean it still is now. after all, we spent much of our time physically active, and now we are sedentary. throw in tens of thousands of generations of genetic and epigenetic mutations, new environments, new foods, and its not at all obvious what has changed. we know so little about the body and brain its laughable.

Paleo man ate a lot of bugs, grubs, and worms, but that doesn't sell the diet very well.

 

[Vanderdonck]

Paleo man ate a lot of bugs, grubs, and worms, but that doesn't sell the diet very well.

And lived to be 35 if they were lucky. Not to mention the animals and plants of that era were vastly different; we have bred them to our liking.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

And lived to be 35 if they were lucky. Not to mention the animals and plants of that era were vastly different; we have bred them to our liking.

not exactly. i mean actual caveman era, maybe, but that was more likely due to being killed than anything. throughout most of human history, living to old age actually wasn't that unusual (especially in places like ancient greece/rome) , but infant/child mortality was so high that it skewed the average life expectancy so much to give the impression people only lived to 40.

the point about selective breeding is interesting too. the overwhelming majority of wild plants are either useless or straight up toxic, the cost benefit is laughable for the amount of calories and nutrition they provide. i simply don't buy it that they were ever a staple of our diets. even fruits were kinds worthless, they were mostly just starch , thick shells, and had a metric ****load of seeds that are equally toxic if crushed. most vegans seem to have this implicit assumption that plants and fruits have always been like they are today and are these noble lifeforms that solely exist to sacrifice themselves for our benefit. they fear GMOs, without realizing all modern crops are also GMOs, and know nothing about how natural selection works. honestly pretty narrow, unenlightened thinking.

if someone wants to make the argument that modern produce is in fact nutritious in a unique enough way to be optimal, maybe i can get behind it, but i simply don't buy the idea it was ever optimal in an ancestral environment or necessarily must be optimal for everyone by default.

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

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[Manure Spherian]

I'm actually thinking of going Vegetarian.

My protein would be whey powder, milk, potatoes, and vitamins etc

You are pretty much guaranteed health problems with veganism or vegetarianism.

 

[EyeBRollin]

You are pretty much guaranteed health problems with veganism or vegetarianism.

Not a factual statement.

My protein would be whey powder, milk, potatoes, and vitamins etc

Potatoes aren’t sufficient as a protein source. Whey and milk are obviously fine. Also note that legumes + grains in conjunction are complimentary proteins.

Vegetarianism is a great longevity diet but it will be quite difficult to build muscle or compete athletically on such a dietary pattern without the aid of a professional nutritionist.

 

[isomrat]

I tried the carnivore diet for two weeks. It worked, except for low energy. I needed carbs. I now do one meal a day with 30% carbs. I get the same benefits. It took a couple of weeks to adjust.