“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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i'd admit that there are people who are 'off' enough that they will still struggle despite their good looks. My only issue with using this as an argument is that it's just fairly rare. You'd need to have rock bottom social skills and probably a handful of mental issues lol (and so telling someone 'good looks without game is useless' isn't necessarily true at all in my opinion. Only if we define 'without game' as being very very neurodivergent)
It's very rare to be 6'0"+, fit/muscular, and struggle to get laid.

When a man is 6'0"+ and fit/muscular, personality doesn't matter that much.

That said, there are unusual situations where men with really good looks struggle to get laid.

Rock bottom social skills and mental issues have the potential to offset good looks.

Game is some combination of looks, money, status, and personality. Personality problems can detract from good looks but also good looks can overcome major personality issues.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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A dress shirt tucked into jeans is a staple for me, however (I promise plenty of my shirts fit/look better than that one)
Two weeks ago (last day I was in the office until today) multiple women told me that my tucked in plaid shirt looked attractive indirectly by telling me that I looked like I was in great shape. You could very simply open your top two buttons, take off that undershirt , roll the sleeves up to the wrist / cuff, make sure it is tucked in tight. It will highlight your shoulders and chest to stomach provided that it is an athletic fitting shirt. I had just coincidentally come back from a two hours heavy lifting session downstairs and my visit to that office was no accident, but nonetheless I believe you are much more likely to succeed than you think.
 

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Two weeks ago (last day I was in the office until today) multiple women told me that my tucked in plaid shirt looked attractive indirectly by telling me that I looked like I was in great shape. You could very simply open your top two buttons, take off that undershirt , roll the sleeves up to the wrist / cuff, make sure it is tucked in tight. It will highlight your shoulders and chest to stomach provided that it is an athletic fitting shirt. I had just coincidentally come back from a two hours heavy lifting session downstairs and my visit to that office was no accident, but nonetheless I believe you are much more likely to succeed than you think.
I was always under the impression wearing no undershirt with 2 buttons undone looked unprofessional at work (as you'd be showing off maybe a tad too much chest)

I like to leave the top 2 buttons unbuttoned. I wear undershirts to avoid showing too much chest for a workplace. Think of it as a bra for men :rofl:

I'd love it if I was wrong though (about it being taboo for a man to show too much chest at work)
 

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looked unprofessional at work
Looking unprofessional at work depends on the workplace environment. The dress standards in white collar are different than other lines of work.

Even within white collar, there are different standards. Most white collar places are moving towards business casual.

Suits and ties are less common in white collar work.

When I first got out of college in the mid-2000s, it was still common to wear a tie to a job interview for a white collar job. That has become less common in job interviewing in white collar in the last 10 years.
 

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I was always under the impression wearing no undershirt with 2 buttons undone looked unprofessional at work (as you'd be showing off maybe a tad too much chest)

I like to leave the top 2 buttons unbuttoned. I wear undershirts to avoid showing too much chest for a workplace. Think of it as a bra for men :rofl:

I'd love it if I was wrong though (about it being taboo for a man to show too much chest at work)
Projecting a masculine attitude is never out of style. What type of work are you in, how large is the company, and what do your colleagues, managers and ownership wear?

I am a highly productive national sales rep in a fortune 50 organization, for perspective. I am 6’3, about 225, fit, and typically stand out in a room, historically have played a little loose and fast, periodically to the ire of management and a colleague once in a while, but I am working on pairing that back. What I used to see as an edge wasn’t entirely accurate, but I haven’t lost all sense of myself either. Take it for what it’s worth.
 
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Looking unprofessional at work depends on the workplace environment. The dress standards in white collar are different than other lines of work.

Even within white collar, there are different standards. Most white collar places are moving towards business casual.

Suits and ties are less common in white collar work.

When I first got out of college in the mid-2000s, it was still common to wear a tie to a job interview for a white collar job. That has become less common in job interviewing in white collar in the last 10 years.
I could wear t-shirts and jeans to work every day if I really wanted to (quite a few employees do). Even though we're an office, we're not exactly formal.

Projecting a masculine attitude is never out of style. What type of work are you in, how large is the company, and what do your colleagues, managers and ownership wear?

I am a highly productive national sales rep in a fortune 50 organization, for perspective. I am 6’3, about 225, fit, and typically stand out in a room, historically have played a little loose and fast, periodically to the ire of management and a colleague once in a while, but I am working on pairing that back. What I used to see as an edge wasn’t entirely accurate, but I haven’t lost all sense of myself either. Take it for what it’s worth.
Please refer to what I just said in reply to SW15 about the relaxed dress code at my work.

Other than disallowing shorts, there really aren't a lot of dress code rules.

I don't like to elaborate on what type of work I do online. My company has, I would estimate, maybe 100 employees (at most) in my office (and perhaps 400 employees when you count offices in other states)

Even some of the managers in my office dress rather casual. There's one manager, however, who will sometimes wear business casual attire (polos, dress shirts, slacks, never jacket or tie)

As for hourly workers, even though most hourly workers at my office dress like slobs, some of the hourly workers dress business casual.

The CEO, when he visits (he lives out of state), tends to wear a polo tucked into jeans or slacks.
 

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@GoodMan32 nevermind trying to impress a woman with your "outfit."

She should be impressed by your "presence," be the best you can be for yourself, have that confidence.

The women will follow...
 

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I could wear t-shirts and jeans to work every day if I really wanted to (quite a few employees do). Even though we're an office, we're not exactly formal.



Please refer to what I just said in reply to SW15 about the relaxed dress code at my work.

Other than disallowing shorts, there really aren't a lot of dress code rules.

I don't like to elaborate on what type of work I do online. My company has, I would estimate, maybe 100 employees (at most) in my office (and perhaps 400 employees when you count offices in other states)

Even some of the managers in my office dress rather casual. There's one manager, however, who will sometimes wear business casual attire (polos, dress shirts, slacks, never jacket or tie)

As for hourly workers, even though most hourly workers at my office dress like slobs, some of the hourly workers dress business casual.

The CEO, when he visits (he lives out of state), tends to wear a polo tucked into jeans or slacks.
If you’re late 40’s early 50’s, I think what I said stands. If projecting a confident, masculine vibe is what you’re going for, I wouldn’t wear what you’re wearing now, personally. I wouldn’t make a huge change overnight and draw attention, but I would move incrementally into athletic slacks, button down shirts, and belts, higher end canvas shoes. Two open buttons, lose the undershirt. If you need to shave your chest so be it. Black pants, white shirt, good shoes is timeless. No khakis, ever. Lululemon makes a great athletic slack that you could buy to get started.
 
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If you’re late 40’s early 50’s, I think what I said stands. If projecting a confident, masculine vibe is what you’re going for, I wouldn’t wear what you’re wearing now, personally. I wouldn’t make a huge change overnight and draw attention, but I would move incrementally into athletic slacks, button down shirts, and belts, higher end canvas shoes. Two open buttons, lose the undershirt. If you need to shave your chest so be it. Black pants, white shirt, good shoes is timeless. No khakis, ever. Lululemon makes a great athletic slack that you could buy to get started.
I'm 33.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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is that you? You got some big ass hands. I know some women are into that lol
Hand game is legit. I have big hands as well. One thing that is fun to do with a girl you just met, or a girl you’re trying to escalate with, is to have her put her hand in yours & compare sizes. They always wind up giggling & like it.

One Hand Game anecdote. I met up with a Tinder match (who would eventually be a GF). She told me later: ‘You were shorter than I expected. But when I saw your hands, I figured everything would be OK.’.
 

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Okay, even more so then.
Another thing I should mention is that my undershirt is typically only minimally visible when I undo the top 2 buttons.

The shirt in the picture has an unusually low 2nd button.

Hand game is legit. I have big hands as well. One thing that is fun to do with a girl you just met, or a girl you’re trying to escalate with, is to have her put her hand in yours & compare sizes. They always wind up giggling & like it.

One Hand Game anecdote. I met up with a Tinder match (who would eventually be a GF). She told me later: ‘You were shorter than I expected. But when I saw your hands, I figured everything would be OK.’.
I will need to keep the hand-comparing game in mind.
 

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Another thing I should mention is that my undershirt is typically only minimally visible when I undo the top 2 buttons.

The shirt in the picture has an unusually low 2nd button.



I will need to keep the hand-comparing game in mind.
Okay, do what you think is best. Good luck
 

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Your skinny fat, there is no impressing a woman no matter what you wear. You don't look good naked
Yeah and even if he thinks like "okidoki , imma get myself a fattie and call it a day" it won't work anymore. He needs to get his azz in the gym but then we get answers like this:



I'm no couch potato. Simply from riding public transportation, I get a decent amount of exercise. I'm also known to do a hike every now and then.



this is trolling at a high ,high level.
 

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Yeah and even if he thinks like "okidoki , imma get myself a fattie and call it a day" it won't work anymore. He needs to get his azz in the gym but then we get answers like this:



I'm no couch potato. Simply from riding public transportation, I get a decent amount of exercise. I'm also known to do a hike every now and then.



this is trolling at a high ,high level.
Trolling? Umm, no, I was pointing out that I really am way more active than many where I live (many where I live only walk from their car to their home, their car to their desk at work, etc)

I, on the other hand, have a 10 minute walk to my office after I get off the bus.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Trolling? Umm, no, I was pointing out that I really am way more active than many where I live (many where I live only walk from their car to their home, their car to their desk at work, etc)

I, on the other hand, have a 10 minute walk to my office after I get off the bus.
What do you offer a woman?

How will your presence be an enrichment to a woman's life?
 

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What do you offer a woman?

How will your presence be an enrichment to a woman's life?
I think those are good questions for a man to ask himself before going out into the field. The answers to those questions will help determine how to plan one's seduction life.

Wheat Waffles' flow chart is useful.

 

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I think those are good questions for a man to ask himself before going out into the field. The answers to those questions will help determine how to plan one's seduction life.

Wheat Waffles' flow chart is useful.

As corny as I may sound, lately I'm seriously practicing my approach skills in front of the mirror lol.

Also ask myself such questions. If you have no answers you also have no business bothering women.

By the way: Why do those normies and sub5 have feminine faces?
 

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Also ask myself such questions. If you have no answers you also have no business bothering women.
Good for you for asking those questions. I have solid answers to them.

Why do those normies and sub5 have feminine faces?
Ask Wheat Waffles. It's good you noticed that. With sub 5s, that would make sense. For normies, less so.

Men are becoming less masculine and that's not a good thing. I have been prioritizing my masculinity in the past decade or so.

As corny as I may sound, lately I'm seriously practicing my approach skills in front of the mirror
That's a good practice.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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