"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Its 2024. What brands and styles of jeans do you recommend?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Gap jeans are good; Old Navy ideal if you are on a budget. Banana Republic if you are balling.

I like them straight. Get whatever is comfortable for you and medium wash since it is more versatile since you can dress it up or down.
 

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Gap jeans are good; Old Navy ideal if you are on a budget. Banana Republic if you are balling.

I like them straight. Get whatever is comfortable for you and medium wash since it is more versatile since you can dress it up or down.
Yeah its funny my color preferences now. I used to like lighter color jeans but prefer darker mostly but honestly not sure the style rules anymore.

thanks for the tips. Ive always liked banana republics shirts ive gotten so need to check them out again for jeans too i guess
 
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Believe it or not, but different brands look better on some body shapes than others.
For instance, are you tall and skinny with a flat bootie? Then my friend, Levi's are for you. However, if you have a little more junk in your trunk, Believe it or not, Wrangler was made for you.
Seriously, go try some different brands on.
Is Lucky Jean's still a thing?
 

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yeah i have an athletic build from lifting so my butt is kind of big

penkitten are you related to the original penkitten that used to be on here and married another poster. If so welcome back! Ive been on and off here since 2002 or so
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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yeah i have an athletic build from lifting so my butt is kind of big

penkitten are you related to the original penkitten that used to be on here and married another poster. If so welcome back! Ive been on and off here since 2002 or so
Hey Ricky! How have you been?
And yes it's me.
 

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Hey Ricky! How have you been?
And yes it's me.
Doing ok. I have had a rough few years since 2020 with marriage issues and lost some family members and friends so that brought me back to here and some other support groups
 

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I used to swear by Levi (and still own a lot of Levis). That being said, the quality of Levis has gone down through the years (I'm more impressed with my older Levis than my newer Levis)

Amazon brand jeans are good. I own a decent amount. Seriously, Amazon brand is much better than it sounds.

I also have a pair of Old Navy jeans I bought in 2016. The fact they're still holding up says it all.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Doing ok. I have had a rough few years since 2020 with marriage issues and lost some family members and friends so that brought me back to here and some other support groups
Sorry to hear about the rough years. We all go through them. Glad to see you back here!
 
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I used to swear by Levi (and still own a lot of Levis). That being said, the quality of Levis has gone down through the years (I'm more impressed with my older Levis than my newer Levis)

Amazon brand jeans are good. I own a decent amount. Seriously, Amazon brand is much better than it sounds.

I also have a pair of Old Navy jeans I bought in 2016. The fact they're still holding up says it all.
My old jeans are also better quality to this flimsy material that is on the market today. Nothing is made to last anymore.
 

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Every brand has different models and sub-sects. I like 7 For All Mankind - Austyn and Lucky Brand straight coolmax. Granted, I have treetrunks for thighs and muscular calves; so I need the extra room in these areas.

Many of the brands are going towards the soy boy types with the tight jeans with no form. If that's your build, go for it. However, if you have muscle's or do not like tight clothing; they are not going to be comfortable.
 

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I ended up getting some Banana Republic jeans. They are quite comfortable, then i looked in my previous jeans and saw i had a pair as well from one waist size larger. I'll definitely be trying out some different jeans. Upgrading my wardrobe bit by bit. Feels good to get some new shirts, shoes and pants.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I don’t care much about the brands as the style of the jeans.

All mine have come from TJ Maxx, they also have cheap moisturizers.
 

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I ended up getting some Banana Republic jeans. They are quite comfortable, then i looked in my previous jeans and saw i had a pair as well from one waist size larger. I'll definitely be trying out some different jeans. Upgrading my wardrobe bit by bit. Feels good to get some new shirts, shoes and pants.
I did a pretty major wardrobe overhaul when I was 25 (am currently 33)

Up until then, a lot of the clothes I wore were more appropriate for a high schooler. I dress like a grown man now (although some say I've gone too far in the opposite direction...and started dressing older than my age)
 

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Can't speak much about brand as all my jeans are different brands, some of which I haven't even checked.

As of looks, I just think a regular pair of good ol' blue jeans with the (muscular) quads filling out the thighs while loose below around the calves is a great look and will place you high on the manliness score, especially paired with a thin waist/flat stomach. Also, have the shirt tucked in and have it be regular to tight-fitting as well to make the legs stand out more, remember women ain't much different than men when it comes to which body parts they find the most appealing.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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