davidsonj73
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If you plan to work until you die. I am 62.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
How old is too old to invest in a college education?
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
BackInTheGame78
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What are you expecting to gain from it?
davidsonj73
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Hopefully, additional earnings.
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Simple exercise will tell you.
Add up the expected cost of the education and then divide that by the number of additional years you expect to work once it's completed.
That's your yearly raise break even point, meaning you would need to make that or more every year you work to have it make financial sense above what you are making now.
Unless it's at least 10K above that I would say it's not worth it.
So an example is let's say it's going to cost you 30K and you expect to work 15 more years. Your break even cost would be to make 2K a year more than you do now.
However, I wouldn't do it unless I would be making 12K more. That's a significant investment of both time and resources and there is no guarantee you'll get or maintain that level of over performance above your current job so I would require a lot higher starting rate to make up for that fact.
davidsonj73
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Thank you!
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
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I would also be conservative with the number of extra years you can work. You may think you can work til your 85 but in practice that is highly unlikely, at least as a full time employee.
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I'd say that the financial & time (if that has some value) cost of a canonical degree is increasingly not worth it in pure investment amortized return, at least if analyzed with Stochastic Markov-Chain Modeling (waiting to be told that anyone who discusses SMCM can't get laid 
) even for a young adult, which is the reason why so many men have quit going to college. I can't possibly see how the math would work for anyone close to your age - to say nothing of the rampant age discrimination that goes on, not allowing you to be an old fart newbie. And this is with the old macroeconomic model ...
The new macroeconomic model has a bifurcation, but both paths lead to the same conclusion that the marginal increase of wage utility for having that degree is just not worth it. One of the paths, the one we are at present, is that employers aren't looking (only) for general staff employees with college degrees, for the simple reason that there is a labor shortage, and that the poor economic prospects for the non-college-educated - that created a credential race where everyone got more & more education simply to out-compete those that didn't have as much education - no longer applies, as the non-college-educated can get much better wages, while at the same time the college-educated are not given as much of a premium. This leads to statements from hiring managers that they can hire $50K MBAs, but they can't find someone to drive an industrial truck for $80K. The other path is the great unknown about how much destruction AI will wreak upon the white-collar job market. I think at the very least, it will be enough for employers to double their efforts at age discrimination, as young college graduates will become plentiful enough to satiate the reduced demand - and possibly virtually completely eliminate any marginal wage utility of a college education.
Something you might want to do is go to community college, which is not very expensive, and at the very least gets your brain cells jumping - but more importantly, allows to use the job-center resources that are available to all the students. And I would go the academic route rather than the trades (no one is going to take you on as an apprentice tradesman), taking English composition and Business Math, and maybe a programming course. This type of education and your seniority in life could make an employer be interested if that employer doesn't want to hire flighty, irresponsible youth. And once you have a job, you wouldn't have to continue taking courses. And when you interview, say that you "still feel young", but "feel bored", and think that with there being a labor shortage, it's good time to come out of retirement.
) even for a young adult, which is the reason why so many men have quit going to college. I can't possibly see how the math would work for anyone close to your age - to say nothing of the rampant age discrimination that goes on, not allowing you to be an old fart newbie. And this is with the old macroeconomic model ...The new macroeconomic model has a bifurcation, but both paths lead to the same conclusion that the marginal increase of wage utility for having that degree is just not worth it. One of the paths, the one we are at present, is that employers aren't looking (only) for general staff employees with college degrees, for the simple reason that there is a labor shortage, and that the poor economic prospects for the non-college-educated - that created a credential race where everyone got more & more education simply to out-compete those that didn't have as much education - no longer applies, as the non-college-educated can get much better wages, while at the same time the college-educated are not given as much of a premium. This leads to statements from hiring managers that they can hire $50K MBAs, but they can't find someone to drive an industrial truck for $80K. The other path is the great unknown about how much destruction AI will wreak upon the white-collar job market. I think at the very least, it will be enough for employers to double their efforts at age discrimination, as young college graduates will become plentiful enough to satiate the reduced demand - and possibly virtually completely eliminate any marginal wage utility of a college education.
Something you might want to do is go to community college, which is not very expensive, and at the very least gets your brain cells jumping - but more importantly, allows to use the job-center resources that are available to all the students. And I would go the academic route rather than the trades (no one is going to take you on as an apprentice tradesman), taking English composition and Business Math, and maybe a programming course. This type of education and your seniority in life could make an employer be interested if that employer doesn't want to hire flighty, irresponsible youth. And once you have a job, you wouldn't have to continue taking courses. And when you interview, say that you "still feel young", but "feel bored", and think that with there being a labor shortage, it's good time to come out of retirement.
FlexpertHamilton
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If it's anything outside the STEM field (and maybe a few others like accounting) it's not worth it.
davidsonj73
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Thanks fore the advice MatureDJ and FlexpertHamilton!
Bible_Belt
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For many people who go deep into debt to pay for school, the extra income mostly goes to student loan payments, at least for the 15 year repayment period.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
davidsonj73
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That is terrible!
CornbreadFed
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Even if you do get a degree, companies are likely to double discriminate you for your age and lack of experience. You are better off going to school for a position that you can leap frog on to from your current position.
Because the degree will get you a better paying job, or because the knowledge you supposedly will gain from getting the degree will make you better at the job you currently have?
I would only advise doing so if (like has been mentioned) it's STEM related, or some type of tech program.
davidsonj73
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Ok. I will probably pursue a STEM degree.
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I hate to be blunt but why on earth would you even consider it? If you're 62 now, you will be 66+ by the time you graduate. Who is going to hire a near-septuagenarian for an entry-level white collar job??
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
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It sound like you want to do something for the sake of enjoying doing it. I say do it. If it’s for money I like the ways the guys are suggesting you try and project it. I think you have other reasons you want to go to school though. Pride, mental stimulation, whatever. Do it my man. Do it and don’t look back. You get one life