article: Gen Z Is Leaving Dating Apps Behind

[Slowhandluke]

The so called doom loop won’t occur anytime soon. Decades possibly.

I’d say 2% of men get actively hit on in public - they’re model quality. The next 5% clean up on online dating. And success diminishes from there down.

Its happening now. Gen z is leaving the apps. Stock value is down. Match group trying to figure out ways to increase income, etc. Will apps change in time? I don't know. Will apps still be around, sure... but it wouldn't be as popular as a few years ago.

 

[MatureDJ]

For a top tier guy, there's greater efficiency in rotation building on swipe apps than in nightlife venues or non-bar venues.

So are you trying to say that because Chads figure that they would be wasting their time at nightlife venues, the Normies should be able to clean up there?

 

[MatureDJ]

The so called doom loop won’t occur anytime soon. Decades possibly.

I’d say 2% of men get actively hit on in public - they’re model quality. The next 5% clean up on online dating. And success diminishes from there down.

It's OVER for 93%Cels.

 

[SW15]

So are you trying to say that because Chads figure that they would be wasting their time at nightlife venues, the Normies should be able to clean up there?

No. Normies would not be able to clean up in nightlife venues.

Top tier guys do well both on swipe apps and in nightlife venues. There is a point where swipe apps might become more efficient for a certain level of man than late nights in a nightlife venue for rotation building. It depends on what the man wants.

Plenty of top tier men use nightlife venues for sex.

Swipe apps, Instagram DMs, nightlife venues, and non-bar approaching will all work well for a top tier man. It depends on what the top tier man wants to focus on in his game.

 

[Bigpapa]

For about 90% of men, this is true. The top 10% or so do well with swipe apps.

I am talking about the quality of women on the apps, not if you manage to get laid or not

I have normal looking guys and they manage to get laid from time to time from apps with normal looking women

 

[SW15]

Yeah, right now the apps are basically what women use to "ride the carousel" and what attractive/chad uses to build a "roster". The issue with the apps is that the majority of users (75% IIRC) are male.. average males. A lot of these average male are leaving the platform.. These average males are basically what's keeping afloat the dating apps (pay subscription, etc.) while the chads are "reaping the benefits".

Match group stock is down close to 15% year to date. They need to find other avenues of income. As the apps become even more of a playground for the chads to use women, the women (especially attractive to slightly above average women) will start to leave also. I think we are seeing this. The dating apps are in a doom loop.

It is the correct decision for average men to leave the platform.

However, where can average men do better? Nightlife venues? Daygame?

Think about Gen Z for a moment. The oldest Gen Z'ers were born in 1997. They've grown up well into the internet era. Does someone born in 1997-2005 have the interpersonal skills to approach women in real life given that they've grown up with technology and avoiding human interaction? It's questionable.

 

[Slowhandluke]

It is the correct decision for average men to leave the platform.

However, where can average men do better? Nightlife venues? Daygame?

Think about Gen Z for a moment. The oldest Gen Z'ers were born in 1997. They've grown up well into the internet era. Does someone born in 1997-2005 have the interpersonal skills to approach women in real life given that they've grown up with technology and avoiding human interaction? It's questionable.

in the past, societies answer was to stop Chad's from F'ing the majority of girls and slvt shame women so they wouldn't become cat ladies.

men have always had issues with interpersonal skills, approaching women, etc.. it's a scientific fact men have less empathy, social skills, etc as compared to women. on that front nothing has changed. what has changed is society giving women the choice to sleep arround and women are taking it and choosing Chad's in hopes Chad's will pick her in the long run.

if the past solutions are unobtainable, then the winning move is to not play.

 

[corrector]

It is the correct decision for average men to leave the platform.

However, where can average men do better? Nightlife venues? Daygame?

Onlyfans

 

[escaleraroyal]

I know some Gen Z guys who are fkn a lot.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Onlyfans

yes, unless men can do a better job of educating women that some men only want the P, and nothing else. most of these men will be chads.

also men must also do a better job educating women that they are likely average and deserve average guys, not Chad thunder ****.

basically deprogram feminism from women. if not, the average man and the average woman suffer together.

 

[corrector]

yes, unless men can do a better job of educating women that some men only want the P, and nothing else. most of these men will be chads.

also men must also do a better job educating women that they are likely average and deserve average guys, not Chad thunder ****.

basically deprogram feminism from women. if not, the average man and the average woman suffer together.

The average woman is still getting laid though.

 

[The Duke]

I know dating apps aren't what they used to be. But does that means you should give up?

Have you ever competed on a professional level as an amateur? Chess, poker, sports, etc. I have and got my ass handed too me. But guess what I went to work and improved my situation. Eventually I made it to the semi pro level in a few things.

You either make personal changes to improve your situation or go back to playing sand lot ball.

There is so much "it's too hard" attitude these days. Not enough, I am working to better myself so I can play on a higher level.

I've started at the bottom of several things in life. I put in the work, improved myself, and advanced to the next level many times.

Most of you lack grit and try. It takes a strong man to acknowledge his weaknesses and do something about them.

You would rather sit here and mental masturbate why the deck is stacked.

Defeatists attitudes. Sickening.

 

[corrector]

I know dating apps aren't what they used to be. But does that means you should give up?

Have you ever competed on a professional level as an amateur? Chess, poker, sports, etc. I have and got my ass handed too me. But guess what I went to work and improved my situation. Eventually I made it to the semi pro level in a few things.

How would that work with diminishing returns? Games follow rules. With dating, it could appear the goal-posts themselves keep moving. If you look at @BergischerLöwe posts, for example, he used the dating apps in the past, had some limited success, and now the ROI is worst, and he's getting worst results now than before (no matches or way worst matches then before if he does get them). He had all the time to learn how to improve any dating app game and should operating as a pro. What would you think the issue is on his case?

You also have veteran posters like @SW15 that cry down online dating for normies, and you have very masculine posters like @AmsterdamAssassin, who by their own admission, do not use dating apps because the ROI is not worth it ot him.

So I don't think it is as simple as an argument as you are presenting.

Now, if you were to say, give up on apps and just deal with women IRL, cold-approach, etc... then that would be another story. However, that depends on the individual and how much time they have to potential use since these are extremely time consuming activities, and honestly is no fun, especially if you get blown off, rejected and ignored. Even getting paid to do something that is not fun is hard in its own right. If you don't need the money badly enough, you'd quit that job.

 

[Slowhandluke]

The average woman is still getting laid though.

yes, pumped and dumped. congratulations to her??? I guess???

 

[Slowhandluke]

in the Art of War by ,Sun Tzu, you never fight the enemy at it strongest point. Patton did the same thing in his battles in Europe. you side step the strongest obstacles. you move forward looking for weaknesses. To "tough it out" in the face of overwhelming odds is stupid. Ghengis khan never fought headon against strong opponents. as a matter of fact, he would feign retreat and try to change the environment to make it advantageous for him to defeat his enemies.

if you feel that running into a machine gun barrage is worth it, go ahead. hell Hitler did the same thing in the beginning of ww2 by going arround the maginot line.

I know dating apps aren't what they used to be. But does that means you should give up?

Have you ever competed on a professional level as an amateur? Chess, poker, sports, etc. I have and got my ass handed too me. But guess what I went to work and improved my situation. Eventually I made it to the semi pro level in a few things.

You either make personal changes to improve your situation or go back to playing sand lot ball.

There is so much "it's too hard" attitude these days. Not enough, I am working to better myself so I can play on a higher level.

I've started at the bottom of several things in life. I put in the work, improved myself, and advanced to the next level many times.

Most of you lack grit and try. It takes a strong man to acknowledge his weaknesses and do something about them.

You would rather sit here and mental masturbate why the deck is stacked.

Defeatists attitudes. Sickening.

 

[corrector]

yes, pumped and dumped. congratulations to her??? I guess???

That is why they call it the CC, then they wife up to a thirsty beta (ie who went through self improvement, gymmaxxed, lookmaxxed, and a 6 figure job to even qualify for her attention as a beta male) to provide to her once she passes the wall. Sounds great for her.
And she can cry on TicToc for likes and popularity.

 

[Slowhandluke]

average women get wifed up too
only the far below average might end up cat ladies

Actually, the marriage rate is declining. I think someone said the number of never married forty year old women is going to be the highest in record history within the next five years (or something like that)....

Single at 40? Blame the Economy

Why more 40-year-olds than ever have never been married.

time.com

Study Predicts 45% of Women Will Be Single By 2030

Single men are “lonely” but single women are “empowered.“

medium.com

@Slowhandluke: Maybe you should keep your pal Adolf out of the conversation.

Did I just hurt your feelings? Sorry... Let me rephrase without triggering you by not directly using that name.

Yes, military history has noted that a lot of times, directly engaging an enemy that has superior strength is not a good idea. There was this guy who shall not be name that basically almost took over the entire continent of Europe within the past century, he used the tacit of not engaging strongly defend position like the Maginot line. Later in the war, he decided to invade the eastern front, and keep on throwing soldiers at "Stalingrad". A lot of historians thought he should have retreated, but he did not. Ultimately, he lost the war. "Stalingrad" to a lot of historians, was this man's downfall.

Does your vagina feel better? That's good

 

[corrector]

Actually, the marriage rate is declining. I think someone said the number of never married forty year old women is going to be the highest in record history within the next five years (or something like that)....

Single at 40? Blame the Economy

Why more 40-year-olds than ever have never been married.

time.com

Study Predicts 45% of Women Will Be Single By 2030

Single men are “lonely” but single women are “empowered.“

medium.com

Did I just hurt your feelings? Sorry... Let me rephrase without triggering you by not directly using that name.

Yes, military history has noted that a lot of times, directly engaging an enemy that has superior strength is not a good idea. There was this guy who shall not be name that basically almost took over the entire continent of Europe within the past century, he used the tacit of not engaging strongly defend position like the Maginot line. Later in the war, he decided to invade the eastern front, and keep on throwing soldiers at "Stalingrad". A lot of historians thought he should have retreated, but he did not. Ultimately, he lost the war. "Stalingrad" to a lot of historians, was this man's downfall.

Does your vagina feel better? That's good

He was delusional. To him the Slavics were inferior and the whole Russian land belonged to them and their inhabitants were to be their slaves. His own Generals realized he was crazy and wanted to assissinate him. In the end he decided the German were not superior after all and started.ordering a self destruct to Berlin as they disappointed him with the Russia thing.

Meanwhile their legacy lived on Doctor Who show with Davros and the Daleks. Some of the best Doctor Who episodes involve those fictional villians.

 

[Slowhandluke]

He was delusional. To him the Slavics were inferior and the whole Russian land belonged to them and their inhabitants were to be their slaves. His own Generals realized he was crazy and wanted to assissinate him. In the end he decided the German were not superior after all and started.ordering a self destruct to Berlin as they disappointed him with the Russia thing.

Crazy or not.. Hitler knew not to go head-on; when to go around; etc.. Until he didn't. I'm not sure what it is (hubris, delusions of grandeur, amphetamines prescribed by nazi doctors, etc.. etc?), but in life, people fall. These people I think over reach. They don't remember the lesson they learned in the past? Or they remember the wrong lessons?

Oh well, whatever... I'm generally surprised Ghengis khan was able to basically die in his sleep having made no fatal mistakes in his life. Basically, he made all the right decisions and a lot of the times, his army was fighting those that had greater numbers.

 

[corrector]

These people I think over reach. They don't remember the lesson they learned in the past? Or they remember the wrong lessons?

Like I said, he believed the Slavs were inferior. They proved him wrong. In the end he was inferior.