"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Do the original ways of a DJ still apply in todays age?

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It's been a while since I've posted on SS. Been actively reading threads over the years every now and then. So my abbreviations are from the old days of SS.
After coming out of a LTR and observing the dating world, apps, friends, acquaintances, social media etc. I've noticed that the culture and quality of people have tanked significantly by where most women SMV has been inflated more so than where they actually are, resulting in their egos becoming hyper-inflated especially through social media.

I remember not so long ago, (pre-pandemic) where the qualities of a DJ made you stand out and automatically gravitated women of similar calibre towards yourself. Aside from that, I also remember the self confidence that would show through and essentially build your physical and mental frame to be solid. Even AFC's that don't know anything about SS had a mentality where they would improve themselves for their benefit or hold themselves accountable for their actions, willpower and desires.

However what I am noticing now is that most people aren't taking pride in their basics i.e: Having hobbies, improving their SMV in a healthy way, learning new things, having and maintain a proper mentality/ frame, blaming a victim mentality/ unhealthy mindset, and are willing to scrape the bottom of the barrel, basically not being a proper man.

So the main question I'm asking is: (I know inwardly for oneself own gain and growth it is still applicable) Is the constant improvement of oneself i.e: Learning new skills, physical activities, exercising, holding yourself to a set standard, constantly building and getting and becoming a better DJ better still applicable in todays society of dating/ spinning plates. Does it still get the same feedback outwardly?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I think it does yes, maybe not in the same numbers, but it will for the right woman. It comes down to your personal choice and priorities. Whether you're willing to put the effort in incase a woman that blows your mind comes along.
 

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Most of the ideas that emerged in the the 1995-2009 era held up pretty well. There are a few tactics that haven't stood the test of time well (Roosh's pet shop opener as an example) for instance but a lot of general strategies have held up well.
 

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I think that a man's SMV either exists out of one of these two thing:
1.the bad boy
2. The smart /corporate/hardworking good earning man

You gotta maxXXX either one of these in this era to stand out and have leveraging options with women. Not maximizing = no man's land, the nothing burger ect.

Lets have a look at 1. I grew up in this environment. Most men here follow strict codes and laws on how to behave ,talk ,act ect. Especially when you are younger this vision on life might serve you well around women. When you get older tho...you'll have very little to show for. The most common and best phrase to describe this is get rich or die trying.

Man ,women, society in general have always been fascinated by the life of the outlaw. I mean, from orange is the new black to prison break to the godfather to Breaking bad ect.


The reason why most men will pick 1 over 2 is because you can and will be deleted by either COPS/ the LAW, or other BAD BOYS.


2. Is the most common way most men want. We believe there was a time when a man "just "needed a job to obtain amd maintain a healthy relationship with a woman. Imo this was a VERY brief period in time. Still, Most men suffer from the sexual revolution and the fact that women out earn men. A woman doesn't need men to provide ,combined with as OP said, the glorification of women = they get to choose who they want, mot who they "need". You'll get " crooked " relationships where corporate women date criminal men.

In order to get women ny option 2, you gotta MAXXXXXX yourself . Just hitting the gym and having a blue collared job aint gonna cut it anymore.

The best example of this om sosauve was that thread from that surgeon dude who couldn't get ANY dates.

(Imo) The best way to go is to be in between 1 and 2. It's difficult to explain and figure it out tho...lets say, a surgeon with yet enough dark traits to have an edge.
 

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Most of the ideas that emerged in the the 1995-2009 era held up pretty well. There are a few tactics that haven't stood the test of time well (Roosh's pet shop opener as an example) for instance but a lot of general strategies have held up well.
Yes, I agree a lot of the older strategies haven’t held up well at all. Which ones can still be used/ still work in this era?

(Imo) The best way to go is to be in between 1 and 2. It's difficult to explain and figure it out tho...lets say, a surgeon with yet enough dark traits to have an edge.
I’ve been thinking of this lately and I’ve come to the same conclusion. Essentially I think it breaks down into a few things:
1) SMV: to increase A) work out/ gym B) dress well, basically be well put together C) have a decent income where it be a side hustle or main job

2) Mind set: A) books B) experiences

3) Dark traits: now this is something where I’m lacking in and don’t know I’m how to build, any suggestions?
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Modern women, especially in first world countries, are not worth wasting time for. It is best if men have a purpose and build their own life. Women will come, though they will not always be the best of the crop. Finding a good woman is harder in the west, which is why some men are picking up more foreign women. The mistake they make however is bringing those women to first world countries and having her become the same as the women that are present there. So you end up with a worse woman overtime.

All the strats still work from what I have read from older articles and posts. Even stuff as far back as the early 2000s still holds up. Women nature never changes. Only their environment and their incentives. But their biology does not lie. A woman still wants a man for protection and for his d*ck. Those basics are still the same for gaming them.

I think one thing that has been revealed is that women hate feminism. It is not natural and it has caused all their woes. They are just too stupid to admit it.
 

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I think the original ways of DJs are more important now than they were in the past.

As the number of emasculated men continues to increase, true masculinity will continue to become more rare and valuable. Despite all the post-modern rhetoric we hear through media outlets (e.g., "men are obsolete, girl power, women want sensitive boys"), the principles that make women develop attraction for men have remained untouched for hundreds (if not thousands) of years.

Using a simple supply-and-demand approach, the value of high-value, masculine men who engage in constant improvement will increase significantly as we become more difficult to find. The world is filling up with AFCs. Those of us who are unapologetically male and genuinely seek to become better versions of ourselves--for our own satisfaction--will have an unfair advantage in the dating market.

Men have become very fragile lately and women are taking notice. Chicks are receiving the most attention they have in years (e.g., through social media and online se*ualization), but most of it is coming from the wrong guys (AFCs). As a result, women are struggling and even becoming desperate to find men they respect and find attractive (do some research on your own online!).

Stay hard and keep up the work. These dating dynamics are not changing anytime soon. This book is an excellent source of evidence.

 
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