Has anyone used Todd v’s System?

[Vero Della Rosa]

I wanna hear some SS ppl feedback

 

[RangerMIke]

It's mostly BS with elements of truth. But he is still selling a dream.

Examples:
(1) You have to take a shot and risk rejection... True. But this is no-brainer?

(2) He says if you want high quality women then you have to be high quality yourself. Then he fvcks up that truth by supposedly teach men how to pretend to be high quality.

(3) He says you have to learn to read women... again true. But then he fvcks up and says that you use this information to manipulate her. IMO you learn to read women to see if she is interested in YOU. That is it, if she isn't attracted then attempts to manipulate her will not work. If she isn't attracted, just move on... it's too much work and your chance of success is low.

(4) Story telling and emotional communicating, True.

(5) Then he closes with 'frame control'... Well if anyone knows me knows I do not believe any man can actually control a woman. But I guess this goes back to (2). If you are pretending to be something that you aren't, then you have to control the narrative. It's basically being a liar and learning how to maintain the illusion long enough to get into her pants.

Summary: It's the Mystery Method just not so over the top. I suppose it will work with younger women without life experience, or with women that are just looking for casual hook-ups. If that's what you want then it should work for you. The problem with these 'systems' is you really aren't fooling any chick. She likely knows exactly what you are doing... trust me when I say women have very active radars they can sniff this out pretty fast. If she likes what she sees, then it will work knowing it's all BS.

 

[Vero Della Rosa]

@RangerMIke thanks, this affirms things I’ve felt about him. Are there books or anything you’d recommend instead? Thanks @mikedee

 

[HaleyBaron]

None of this is a science. Women and men dynamics is an art. You can't break it down into some logical steps. Women break the rules all the time. You see them with the "non chad" or you see them with someone who does something against what you perceive. Then users come back here wondering what they did wrong.

Art.

 

[RangerMIke]

While I agree with most of your post, I don't think frame control is about controlling others. It's about being the king of your kingdom of reality, and not the peon of your reality.

In general you are correct, but when taken in context to what Todd V is teaching it's relative. He teaches that a man should figure out what a chick wants, the CREATE a frame that meets her needs... it is this frame the dude has to maintain. IMO that is manipulation.

This is different from maintaining your 'frame' based on who you are. You maintain frame to be consistent. With women behaving inconsistently makes them feel uncomfortable.

 

[kavi]

When you look at ToddV, JAL, PWF what do you see? What energy do they have?

Its not about the system or whether it 'works' it is about who you want to be. Its about what you are not what you get. If you follow their systems you become them, then do it if that is what you want to be.

 

[devilkingx2]

(2) He says if you want high quality women then you have to be high quality yourself. Then he fvcks up that truth by supposedly teach men how to pretend to be high quality.

When applying and interviewing for a job, the best candidate has never broken a rule or a law in his life, and is wholely dedicated to random corporation XYZ.

This doesn't describe anybody. So usually the guy who gets hired is the one who's best at pretending to be that mythical perfect employee.

Back to women and dating; Being a true high value man is best, the second best option is to work hard and become high value.
the third best option is to act like a high value man if being one is out of reach.

(3) He says you have to learn to read women... again true. But then he fvcks up and says that you use this information to manipulate her. IMO you learn to read women to see if she is interested in YOU. That is it, if she isn't attracted then attempts to manipulate her will not work. If she isn't attracted, just move on... it's too much work and your chance of success is low.

I agree with this. The only way that manipulation is useful is if a girl likes you, but isn't doing what you want her to do. Like she's too conservative to sleep with you on the second date or something.

 

[jaymbrs]

None of this is a science. Women and men dynamics is an art. You can't break it down into some logical steps. Women break the rules all the time. You see them with the "non chad" or you see them with someone who does something against what you perceive. Then users come back here wondering what they did wrong.

Art.

I agree. And while I respect the intent of this site, it's really just a bunch of dudes overthinking and overanalyzing everything about women.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Manipulation is power, people can use power for good or for bad, is he's manipulating her, and she's happy and enjoying with him, there is nothing bad about it.

It's why I don't take the power dynamic argument seriously from women. Women love power, and they love a powerful man. Whenever I hear a woman bring it up, I just assume she is envious of not having someone like that.

 

[eli77]

The matrix is real !