Transitioning into LTR: How long should you vet a plate for?

[SW15]

Screen for the well known red flags.

Richard Cooper's "The Unplugged Alpha" has a chapter on the most common red flags. I recommend this book.

 

[Barrister]

2-5 years for a western girl

My gut instinct is to say a higher quality woman will not wait this long. However, there is certainly a lot of wisdom behind this answer. The problem is you don't truly know a woman until certain things happen in a relationship - and many times these are time-independent. Meaning, you may find something out in 6 months or in 6 years depending on the trigger event. Generally, this involves some type of very high stress situation that occurs in her life. But it can also be something else - like an ex suddenly stepping back into the picture.

From that perspective, String has a good point - albeit I do think you will lose a lot of women well before that timeframe passes to make the jump.

 

[CyrusTheGreat]

I have yet to see an 'expert' spouting this nonsense who is happily married to an attractive, mentally sane girl who gave him her virginity.
This guy joins the group of other divorced 'experts' such as Corey Wayne, Rich Cooper who perpetually date single moms or some other hoes.

Rollo is happily married (according to himself), and Rich frowns upon dating single moms and mentions it as a mistake of his own. So there are your experts.

I'd appreciate it if you can point out where I can find these "virgin" women... As I've been looking for these unicorns for quite a while now. I've found quite a few girls in their early twenties with a low body count (according to themselves), but never ever have I come across a virgin.

A real man never takes. His only desire is to share, to inspire, to beautify the experiences of himself and everyone around him. His ecstasy is derived solely from her ecstasy. If she doesn’t feel like a queen, he doesn’t feel like a king. A boy makes his girlfriend jealous of other women. A man makes other women jealous of his girl. - Zan Perrion

My eyes hurt; what did I just read?! Isn't this the textbook definition of a plugged-in beta? What happened to the mental point of origin?

 

[pipeman84]

Dont know this Zan Perrion guy is but I also dont follow idiots. That is hot new age sounding garbage.
I really dont know what you are talking about.
Virgins?? Lol

He's a master of seduction known well enough that the guy you recommended mentioned interviewing him for his podcast, it's in the Amazon's 'about the author' section.

In 2006, Joseph launched the Joseph W. South Show podcast. There, he interviewed dozens of psychologists, men's rights advocates, and dating coaches, including Zan Perrion, Brent Smith, and many others.

I see we're on totally different wavelengths, so good luck with your hoes.

Richard Cooper's "The Unplugged Alpha" has a chapter on the most common red flags. I recommend this book.

I read the book, that chapter is good, albeit it's stating the obvious. The rest of the book is poor...get a motorcycle, get TRT...yeah right, what kind of women are after a baboon with roid rage on motorcycle?

Never forget: Women break rules for alphas and make them for betas.
Like the cute “good girl” librarian that made you patiently wait three months for basic missionary sex when you were 20. She’ll end up naked in bed with Chad Thundercock 15-minutes after meeting him in Ibiza at the foam cannon party on her 23rd birthday.

This gem which is similar to Rollo's 'wisdom' proves to me that the guy only dealt in low quality women, so if one's interested in LTR. better steer clear from his advice. Firstly, actual good girls are very unlikely to be at the Ibiza foam party in the first place. And if this moron seriously believes a girl with average quality and upbringing (let alone a good one) will behave like a pornstar or a woman on drugs, then I only have contempt for him and pitty the naives who follow his advice.

 

[CyrusTheGreat]

My gut instinct is to say a higher quality woman will not wait this long. However, there is certainly a lot of wisdom behind this answer. The problem is you don't truly know a woman until certain things happen in a relationship - and many times these are time-independent. Meaning, you may find something out in 6 months or in 6 years depending on the trigger event. Generally, this involves some type of very high stress situation that occurs in her life. But it can also be something else - like an ex suddenly stepping back into the picture.

From that perspective, String has a good point - albeit I do think you will lose a lot of women well before that timeframe passes to make the jump.

Exactly this. If you want 100% guarantee, then you have to wait forever. But also most things don't show themselves until at least a year into the relationship. So, I'd say 1 year is a good time frame. But again, I think most good women will not put up with that.

 

[CyrusTheGreat]

This gem which is similar to Rollo's 'wisdom' proves to me that the guy only dealt in low quality women, so if one's interested in LTR. better steer clear from his advice. Firstly, actual good girls are very unlikely to be at the Ibiza foam party in the first place. And if this moron seriously believes a girl with average quality and upbringing (let alone a good one) will behave like a pornstar or a woman on drugs, then I only have contempt for him and pitty the naives who follow his advice.

Brother, if you get into the business of teaching men where to find these "good" woman you're talking about, you're gonna soon be a billionaire.

 

[pipeman84]

Rollo is happily married (according to himself), and Rich frowns upon dating single moms and mentions it as a mistake of his own. So there are your experts.

Yeah, well, what can he say? I very much doubt it because Rollo's marriage doesn't have a good foundation (a 30+ woman with baby rabies marries a hapless guy (by his own account), younger than her, who just came outta 4yrs relationship with a nutcase... that's the recipe for blue skies ahead, sure )

Rich either doesn't have a girl (that's the word on the street) or according to him he does, but he's been so fvcked over by his past that he's afraid to live with her so as to not be seen as marriage. That's another good example of male-female relationship success that kids out there can look forward to.

 

[pipeman84]

My eyes hurt; what did I just read?! Isn't this the textbook definition of a plugged-in beta? What happened to the mental point of origin?

OK, just reading the text I understand it can come across as some ultimate blue pill nonsense.
But picture it as coming from a real alpha, or better said, from a gentleman as opposed to a needy, insecure beta.

 

[SW15]

Richard Cooper's "The Unplugged Alpha" has a chapter on the most common red flags. I recommend this book.

I read the book, that chapter is good, albeit it's stating the obvious. The rest of the book is poor...get a motorcycle, get TRT...yeah right, what kind of women are after a baboon with roid rage on motorcycle?

I am not on TRT but do actively manage my testosterone with no porn, no fap, and not eating processed foods. Regular sex will also help.

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[pipeman84]

Brother, if you get into the business of teaching men where to find these "good" woman you're talking about, you're gonna soon be a billionaire.

Man, I don't think there's a definite answer applicable to everyone. Heck, I wouldn't 100% exclude places notorious for low quality such as OLD or nightclubs (for instance imagine the scenario she's out there celebrating the birthday of someone in their social circle).
But I do know that the BS spouted frequently in manospehere and on SS too such as 3dates and no sex, NEXT will only render low quality. Moreover, having this aura and vibe around you will scare away the actual good girls and most probably you won't even get to the 1st date.

 

[EyeBRollin]

When the end goal is to establish an LTR (in order to have kids), I believe that it's agreed-upon among the community that the best strategy is to spin multiple plates because it allows to vet women and choose the best one.

1. But, I couldn't find much information on how long to spin a plate before you can decide whether to drop that plate or transition to an LTR
2. Also, how often should one spend time (let's say per week) with the plates in order to get to know them well enough to decide whether they're worth an LTR or not?

1. Until she asks. Then make her work through the negotiations.

2. Once per week maximum. Never more frequently.

 

[CyrusTheGreat]

Man, I don't think there's a definite answer applicable to everyone. Heck, I wouldn't 100% exclude places notorious for low quality such as OLD or nightclubs (for instance imagine the scenario she's out there celebrating the birthday of someone in their social circle).
But I do know that the BS spouted frequently in manospehere and on SS too such as 3dates and no sex, NEXT will only render low quality. Moreover, having this aura and vibe around you will scare away the actual good girls and most probably you won't even get to the 1st date.

From you previous posts in this thread, it seemed you already know plenty of "good" girls. But suddenly from the tone of this post it seems you don't know many (or any?)

 

[pipeman84]

From you previous posts in this thread, it seemed you already know plenty of "good" girls. But suddenly from the tone of this post it seems you don't know many (or any?)

What post exactly gave you the idea I know plenty of good girls? The gist of my message in this thread has been 1. good girls are out there (how you meet them is very individual specific) but you have to be a good man yourself in order to recognize them and for them to see you 2. don't waste time with women who are not LTR material (hoes, plates etc).

 

[EyeBRollin]

Women are just being women and you have to make the one you want.

You can’t even do that in the modern environment. The entitlement is pervasive. Even the submissive women give attitude while submitting. Victories are pyrrhic at best.

 

[pipeman84]

Dude the red meat of all this gymnastics is this.
The idea of "quality" or the "good girl" is a farce.

Man, to realize how ridiculous your position is....you're the equivalent of some harridan on a feminist forum claiming all men are wife beaters and cheaters.

 

[MtmVaott]

My gut instinct is to say a higher quality woman will not wait this long. However, there is certainly a lot of wisdom behind this answer. The problem is you don't truly know a woman until certain things happen in a relationship - and many times these are time-independent. Meaning, you may find something out in 6 months or in 6 years depending on the trigger event. Generally, this involves some type of very high stress situation that occurs in her life. But it can also be something else - like an ex suddenly stepping back into the picture.

From that perspective, String has a good point - albeit I do think you will lose a lot of women well before that timeframe passes to make the jump.

Interesting if making her wait for so long is disadvantageous if you are looking for a happy marriage/LTR, right?

I believe you may be perceived as phony or using if you are postponing her questions about a LTR for months. So you would have to feed her some 'LTR-crumbs' step-by-step. Probably it's just a natural process. You know you can pull this off if she's interested enough. You will be scared she will 'get away' if you know she's not interested enough. Maybe that's just the secret, if you are in the scarcity mindset she has already disqualified herself.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

The biggest test is if she asks you for an LTR within 3 months. Girls know what they want, and they know it is rare to find a guy that meets their preferences that isn't a complete Shvt head. If it has been past 3 months and you are still having questions in your head then you aren't her first choice, so she's either going to ditch you or settle for you.

 

[EyeBRollin]

The biggest test is if she asks you for an LTR within 3 months. Girls know what they want, and they know it is rare to find a guy that meets their preferences that isn't a complete Shvt head. If it has been past 3 months and you are still having questions in your head then you aren't her first choice, so she's either going to ditch you or settle for you.

This. 100%

I had an exception one time. I had a plate that was older than me that I was smashing for eight months. Very low key and casual but she did a lot of sweet things. She never asked for exclusivity. One day out of the blue (month eight) she asked if I wanted to take her ring shopping. I laughed, and she broke down crying. Turns out she thought we were in a relationship the whole time.

 

[Juanto]

Turns out she thought we were in a relationship the whole time.

How did you deal with this?

 

[EyeBRollin]

How did you deal with this?

I “broke up” with her, just like a normal girlfriend. She was a great girl. Unfortunately, I never asked her age (we met IRL) and she was 35 (I was 26 at the time). I couldn’t do it.