Rant: Getting So Tired Of OLD Lately. WTF.

[jamesfromhouston]

Bros, just a small rant here. I'm seriously getting so sick of OLD lately that I have made upping my Cold Approach game, my resolution this year for dating.

For some reference, I am actually on Tinder, Bumble and CoffeeMeetsBagel.

I've paid for premium on all 3. I've been using all 3 for the past 5 years.

I'm no chad but my profile is pretty good. Good photos. Displays my SMV well I think.

I used to get really good results with them. Met tons of girls.

I still get results with OLD but it's been on a serious and truly clear decline as of late.

- I get substantially less matches than before.
- The matches are significantly uglier than before.
- The matches are super super super entitled. They generally don't start the conversation and when they do, they stop replying after 1 or 2 messages. (Especially on this, it pisses me off. I often encounter a stupid situation where a girl matches me, opens me with a 'Hi'. I reply a 'Hi' back and then she flakes. That's it. End of convo. And I'm thinking why say Hi to me if you weren't going to continue the conversation? Its ret@rded.)
- The matches flake easily if you don't simp for them.

I know we have talked about this before on SS, just ranting here.

It seriously pisses me off, when I spend some time swiping and I get nothing on the matches. And I get flaked by some random 6 or 7 (who thinks she's hot sh!t after literally 1 message exchange).

If I weren't aware of how it was like 5 years ago for me and if I were still blue pilled, joining OLD now, I'd probably feel my self-esteem damaged by the OLD nonsense. I'd probably rationalise it as something is wrong with me.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Brother, I tend to agree. But in the case of the “hi” “hi” thing leading to a ghost : you call it low effort on her part but in normative gender relations women expect chase. Replying to hi with hi is definitely low effort. Might I suggest trying to hook with something witty related to their profiles or pics? Or he’ll even a smart assed comment, sometimes outrage garners a reaction.

Anyway yes whatever barely acceptable quality there was is rapidly declining.

 

[Atom Smasher]

A simple “Hi” is the equivalent to a real-life smile. It’s an invitation. You should write back something brief that shows CLASS. This usually involves mentioning something about her profile. You can also ask her “How’s the fishing here on XYZ Site?”
Make your interaction fun.

 

[jamesfromhouston]

Hey brothers. Thanks for the input. I tend to reply with not much at the beginning because I don't want to be showering with full attention until it's warranted. I feel like replying something witty or creative; feels a bit desperate.

If they say hi and I start to write a longer comment, feels like a massive imbalance.

I feel if you have high IL for someone. Even if they said hi, you'd continue the conversation.

But that's just my opinion.

 

[SW15]

I still get results with OLD but it's been on a serious and truly clear decline as of late.

- I get substantially less matches than before.
- The matches are significantly uglier than before.
- The matches are super super super entitled. They generally don't start the conversation and when they do, they stop replying after 1 or 2 messages. (Especially on this, it pisses me off. I often encounter a stupid situation where a girl matches me, opens me with a 'Hi'. I reply a 'Hi' back and then she flakes. That's it. End of convo. And I'm thinking why say Hi to me if you weren't going to continue the conversation? Its ret@rded.)
- The matches flake easily if you don't simp for them.

These are all common experiences on the swipe apps now.

Gen Z is ready to break up with Tinder, and these new dating apps are here for the rebound

These companies say Gen Z is tired of Tinder, Bumble and Hinge. They offer videos, memes and artificial intelligence-based dating apps instead.

www.latimes.com

The newest generation is using Schmooze, Snack, and Iris instead of Tinder, Bumble, Hinge, and Coffee Meets Bagel.

Tinder is 76% male. Huge sausage fest. Bumble and Hinge are 65% male.

Most men are reporting fewer matches now than 3-5 years ago on Bumble and Hinge, even with Premium. It's been difficult to get matches on Tinder for at least 5 years, even with Premium.

Uglier matches are also common.

Flaking has always been a problem with apps but I sense it is getting worse.

Delete all apps and focus on in-person stuff.

 

[Barrister]

Hey brothers. Thanks for the input. I tend to reply with not much at the beginning because I don't want to be showering with full attention until it's warranted. I feel like replying something witty or creative; feels a bit desperate.

If they say hi and I start to write a longer comment, feels like a massive imbalance.

I feel if you have high IL for someone. Even if they said hi, you'd continue the conversation.

But that's just my opinion.

The problem is they don't have "high interest" in you just because they send you a message first - let alone one that just says "hi" or "hey." For women, OLD is a completely different ball game than men. Even HB 6-7s will have endless matches and DMs from men -- many times above their own SMV. You are just one of probably 20-30 she finds moderately interesting. This is why you can use OLD, but you will pull younger and hotter with cold approach. OLD also demands that you over-pursue almost out of the gate - which is what you are experiencing. They are getting flooded with validation and attention in the OLD setting and it leaves little room to do otherwise.

 

[SW15]

For women, OLD is a completely different ball game than men. Even HB 6-7s will have endless matches and DMs from men -- many times above their own SMV.

An HB 6-7 today on a swipe app gets far more male attention than a 21 year old supermodel in 1990 would have experienced or could have even imagined at that time.

You are just one of probably 20-30 she finds moderately interesting. This is why you can use OLD, but you will pull younger and hotter with cold approach. OLD also demands that you over-pursue almost out of the gate - which is what you are experiencing. They are getting flooded with validation and attention in the OLD setting and it leaves little room to do otherwise.

Yes, this is true. Focus on the cold approaching. Every Beta Bob and his brother is swiping and texting right now. Fewer men are cold approaching so you stand out when you approach in person, even more so when you do it in a non-bar setting. Approaching is difficult, which is why dating websites and swipe apps were invented in the first place. Keep approaching though and try not to let the rejections be a traumatic experience.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

This worked for me with the matches recently:

Text One: "Hey girl. How´s ur weekend going?" When matching during weekend. If matching Monday/Tuesday it was "Hey girl. How was your weekend?". If matching Wednesday/Thursday "Hey girl. Any cool plans for the upcoming weekend?"
Her: Bla bla bla

Next text: "Cool. What do you enjoy doing with your free time?"
Her: bla bla bla

If we have suff in common:

"Looks like we have a lot in common. Im craving my favorite sushi place, wanna meet 5:30ish pm next saturday?" Maybe Im implying that since we have stuff in common I wanna get to know her better.

If we dont have that much in common:

"I live in X city by Y mall. Anything interesting near your house?"
Her: Bla bla bla
"My favorite Burger place is very close to your house. Wanna meet Next saturday evening and grab a bite?"


If there was a new movie I actually wanted to see.
"I wanna watch the new Marvel movie. Lets go on day 1 to avoid spoilers. My favorite movie place has a show at 6pm"

Also, I always triple booked. If none cancels, go out with the hottest one and bail on the other girls.

Fun fact: When I single booked, the girl would flake more than half the time. When i tripled book, none would cancel.

 

[Barrister]

An HB 6-7 today on a swipe app gets far more male attention than a 21 year old supermodel in 1990 would have experienced or could have even imagined at that time.



Yes, this is true. Focus on the cold approaching. Every Beta Bob and his brother is swiping and texting right now. Fewer men are cold approaching so you stand out when you approach in person, even more so when you do it in a non-bar setting. Approaching is difficult, which is why dating websites and swipe apps were invented in the first place. Keep approaching though and try not to let the rejections be a traumatic experience.

I have a female "friend" if you want to call her that who showed me her Bumble account last year. She is a moderately attractive girl (probably HB 6.5), and I was blown away looking at her Bumble account. Literally about 75 current matches that had superficial conversations going. It changed my whole perspective about it.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Well your success rate is commensurate with your level of effort, as with most things in life.

Hey brothers. Thanks for the input. I tend to reply with not much at the beginning because I don't want to be showering with full attention until it's warranted. I feel like replying something witty or creative; feels a bit desperate.

If they say hi and I start to write a longer comment, feels like a massive imbalance.

I feel if you have high IL for someone. Even if they said hi, you'd continue the conversation.

But that's just my opinion.

 

[Young OG]

Bros, just a small rant here. I'm seriously getting so sick of OLD lately that I have made upping my Cold Approach game, my resolution this year for dating.

For some reference, I am actually on Tinder, Bumble and CoffeeMeetsBagel.

I've paid for premium on all 3. I've been using all 3 for the past 5 years.

I'm no chad but my profile is pretty good. Good photos. Displays my SMV well I think.

I used to get really good results with them. Met tons of girls.

I still get results with OLD but it's been on a serious and truly clear decline as of late.

- I get substantially less matches than before.
- The matches are significantly uglier than before.
- The matches are super super super entitled. They generally don't start the conversation and when they do, they stop replying after 1 or 2 messages. (Especially on this, it pisses me off. I often encounter a stupid situation where a girl matches me, opens me with a 'Hi'. I reply a 'Hi' back and then she flakes. That's it. End of convo. And I'm thinking why say Hi to me if you weren't going to continue the conversation? Its ret@rded.)
- The matches flake easily if you don't simp for them.

I know we have talked about this before on SS, just ranting here.

It seriously pisses me off, when I spend some time swiping and I get nothing on the matches. And I get flaked by some random 6 or 7 (who thinks she's hot sh!t after literally 1 message exchange).

If I weren't aware of how it was like 5 years ago for me and if I were still blue pilled, joining OLD now, I'd probably feel my self-esteem damaged by the OLD nonsense. I'd probably rationalise it as something is wrong with me.

Try out FB Dating and Hinge. Stop paying for premium subscriptions. It's a waste of money and for desperate men. Also, your pics might not be as good as you think they are. You may want to revaluate your profile. Women most likely do not think your very high value if they stop replying. Do you think they would stop replying to Channing Tatum?

 

[SargeMaximus]

Well for starters youre on the worst apps OLD has to offer

 

[RickTheToad]

IRL and meetups are always good options. I cleaned up @ both, but I was doing decent on OLD a few years ago too; and I'm just a toad. Check your photos with https://www.photofeeler.com/ and you can get people to judge and rate them. Then you know somewhat where you stand.

 

[SargeMaximus]

Have you tried the ones that sw15 mentioned?

I didn’t see. I’m ignoring him lol. But I read someone said Facebook. I don’t want to use that

 

[RickTheToad]

I didn’t see. I’m ignoring him lol. But I read someone said Facebook. I don’t want to use that

Then you may be turd out of luck if you are counting on OLD.

 

[SargeMaximus]

Then you may be turd out of luck if you are counting on OLD.

It’s the only way I’ve ever gotten laid. And I’ve gotten laid a lot

 

[EyeBRollin]

Your profile is not as good as you say.

Do you have any professional photos on there?

 

[Zimbabwe]

The less effort I put into OLD, the better my results were. I still vastly prefer Cold Approach though

 

[Striker_93]

Cold Approaching should be bread and butter for every men walking the earth......

Growing up, that was all me and my homeboys did, at the mall, grocery stores, Walmart hell anywhere lol, we would do it like a game, and whoever was too pvssy to approach(there's always 1) he didn't hear the end of it until he redeemed himself.

When I was even younger my older brothers/his friends use to do the same and they use to "MAKE" Me approach girls. I didn't have a choice.

The only thing about cold Approaching is it takes "balls" something that 97% of men lack these days, literally......

Some of the easiest lays I've got and my friends have gotten have come from Approaching random girls.

All the biggest players I ever known in my life cold approached constantly, even the "hot guys" who usually have women come on to them, guess what?? They still approach lol.

Leave the OLD on the backburner, go out and approach women,

 

[biggoal]

Brother, I tend to agree. But in the case of the “hi” “hi” thing leading to a ghost : you call it low effort on her part but in normative gender relations women expect chase. Replying to hi with hi is definitely low effort. Might I suggest trying to hook with something witty related to their profiles or pics? Or he’ll even a smart assed comment, sometimes outrage garners a reaction.

Anyway yes whatever barely acceptable quality there was is rapidly declining.

2019 when I started using it again it was bad then too of course but nothing like it is now. Was much more better looking women on the OLD sites and apps. Seems around May 2020 it took a big decline. Even then you could still get replies and just after a couple messages get their phone number about 70 percent of the time.

Right now it's horrible. I said in another thread not only less decent women, but more fatties, bad teeth and tats. The clean, attractive women are few and far between now compared to a few years back.

The OLD sites are getting more desperate for money too. Places liek Match taking features away and making more ala cart. Their bottom lines must be hurting. Tinder and bumble give you less swipes before you have to upgrade as well.