Actual status of covid right now? Nurse/Doctor/Medical field insight only please.

[PRW63]

No idea why people think their personal freedoms take precedent over safety and well being of an entire state/nation/world

So said every dictator. "For the good of the motherland!". Communism is built on it.

The safety threat is manufactured, fabricated, and exaggerated,...so it can me used as leverage to mold the people into an obedient "mass" that won't ever question the statements and motives of those in power. Anyone who questions is shamed (later outright punished) and are asked "Who hurt you?" and "Why are you so bitter?" Later it will be "You aren't allowed to work",..."You aren't allowed to eat",..."You aren't allowed to leave your home" unless you comply. Oh, WAIT!,...that last part we just did for a year....and still doing it partially.

I'm in much greater danger of being killed by a drunk driver (or a driver wasted on pot now that it is legal) than the world being wiped out by the flu or a "cold". That is a public safety issue as well. But you don't see them rushing to ban booze and roll back the legalization of pot/drugs. Drunks and dopers are "passified",...so they are "managed". So if you are one of the elite in power, all you have to do is keep the population drunk, high, sedated with Big Pharma, face hidden behind a mask, scared into submission, and sexually satisfied with promiscuity/porn,...and you will never have a problem and will stay in power for generations.

Edit: Don't forget the "scared into submission" also includes things like Global Warming/Climate Change and the accompanying punishments of Carbon Taxes, restrictive regulations, removal of you ability to buy/own products that "don't comply".

 

[corrector]

Since you aren't vaccinated, you will be out of luck I guess.

Not really, for starters I can still get vaccinated. Secondly, I am more of a homebody and I cant afford or have the appetite to travel. Like I said there is not much personal incentive to get vaccinated. I dont have the type of prepandemic social life that would lend itself to going places that would require a passport.

Where I go out? Biking, no passport. Church, no passport for sure. Library, no passport / likely will use streaming services rather than borrow DVDs and Blurays. Grocery, no passport. Country drive, no passport. Malls - buy everything on amazon.

So tell me what is my big why to get a vaccine because of a passport? Also, this is very hypothetical. Ontario comes like a half-Red State itself (not as Red as Alberta). The premier won't allow passports because he feels it will divide the province and create two tiers of people. Any restaurants or places that are doing that risk getting a lawsuit against them on discrimination because there is no law in the books that will allow them to do that. Believe me, they are people out there who will challenge these things (ie except for strip clubs since nobody would want to be seen challenging those).

 

[Black Widow Void]

Delta is as contagious as the measles and chicken pox...meaning extremely, extremely contagious...potentially 1000x more contagious than initial COVID virus. If you are unvaccinated it's coming to find you and you better start praying because it's far more deadly as well. And if you want to believe this "I'm young and healthy" nonsense and think you are going to be OK, well...let me know how that works out for you once you had it.

A "1000x" more contagious?"

Over the past year, I've conducted my life as 'business as usual' (I've worn a mask a total of 2 hours over the past year and a half). I'm also in the (so-called) "higher risk" group (my age, I smoke 2 packs of cigarettes a day etc...)

If, in three months I report back that I'm still healthy.... are you willing to openly admit that your 'facts' were wrong?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

A "1000x" more contagious?"

Over the past year, I've conducted my life as 'business as usual' (I've worn a mask a total of 2 hours over the past year and a half). I'm also in the (so-called) "higher risk" group (my age, I smoke 2 packs of cigarettes a day etc...)

If, in three months I report back that I'm still healthy.... are you willing to openly admit that your 'facts' were wrong?

No, because 97% of the people in the US in hospitals due to COVID right now are unvaccinated. It's finding them.

Good luck to you. You'll need it. Hopefully you won't be one of those people being ready to be intubated begging for a vaccine and being told it's too late...

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yep. All these people shooting their mouths off about mandatory vaccination are about to get a huge surprise when the health care system, seniors homes, etc. suffer staff shortages. There are some people who simply WILL NOT take this shot, and will walk away from their jobs.

I am one of them.

If I take it, I will decide. I won't be forced by an employer

Cool...I'll save up my cans for you to recycle. Wednesdays are best for you to stop by.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

A "1000x" more contagious?"

Over the past year, I've conducted my life as 'business as usual' (I've worn a mask a total of 2 hours over the past year and a half). I'm also in the (so-called) "higher risk" group (my age, I smoke 2 packs of cigarettes a day etc...)

If, in three months I report back that I'm still healthy.... are you willing to openly admit that your 'facts' were wrong?

That was the study done coming out of China.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

So said every dictator. "For the good of the motherland!". Communism is built on it.

The safety threat is manufactured, fabricated, and exaggerated,...so it can me used as leverage to mold the people into an obedient "mass" that won't ever question the statements and motives of those in power. Anyone who questions is shamed (later outright punished) and are asked "Who hurt you?" and "Why are you so bitter?" Later it will be "You aren't allowed to work",..."You aren't allowed to eat",..."You aren't allowed to leave your home" unless you comply. Oh, WAIT!,...that last part we just did for a year....and still doing it partially.

I'm in much greater danger of being killed by a drunk driver (or a driver wasted on pot now that it is legal) than the world being wiped out by the flu or a "cold". That is a public safety issue as well. But you don't see them rushing to ban booze and roll back the legalization of pot/drugs. Drunks and dopers are "passified",...so they are "managed". So if you are one of the elite in power, all you have to do is keep the population drunk, high, sedated with Big Pharma, face hidden behind a mask, scared into submission, and sexually satisfied with promiscuity/porn,...and you will never have a problem and will stay in power for generations.

Edit: Don't forget the "scared into submission" also includes things like Global Warming/Climate Change and the accompanying punishments of Carbon Taxes, restrictive regulations, removal of you ability to buy/own products that "don't comply".

Or you can just believe in science and actual data. Anyone thinking the crazy events that have been taking place weather wise taken together as a whole could be possible without climate change are delusional.

It's one thing to have record heat waves, record flooding, record drought, record hurricanes, etc etc...

But when you have them all at the same time in different places, that is something totally not really possible without significant changes occurring.

Now they are finding there is a very large ocean current system that is near complete collapse due to climate change that will have massive consequences for many different places, mostly Europe and North America...

Humans cause their own problems then try and pretend as if they didn't. Comical.

 

[HaleyBaron]

So said every dictator. "For the good of the motherland!". Communism is built on it.

The safety threat is manufactured, fabricated, and exaggerated,...so it can me used as leverage to mold the people into an obedient "mass" that won't ever question the statements and motives of those in power. Anyone who questions is shamed (later outright punished) and are asked "Who hurt you?" and "Why are you so bitter?" Later it will be "You aren't allowed to work",..."You aren't allowed to eat",..."You aren't allowed to leave your home" unless you comply. Oh, WAIT!,...that last part we just did for a year....and still doing it partially.

I'm in much greater danger of being killed by a drunk driver (or a driver wasted on pot now that it is legal) than the world being wiped out by the flu or a "cold". That is a public safety issue as well. But you don't see them rushing to ban booze and roll back the legalization of pot/drugs. Drunks and dopers are "passified",...so they are "managed". So if you are one of the elite in power, all you have to do is keep the population drunk, high, sedated with Big Pharma, face hidden behind a mask, scared into submission, and sexually satisfied with promiscuity/porn,...and you will never have a problem and will stay in power for generations.

Edit: Don't forget the "scared into submission" also includes things like Global Warming/Climate Change and the accompanying punishments of Carbon Taxes, restrictive regulations, removal of you ability to buy/own products that "don't comply".

Reminder that all the emotional responses that are being done against people who don't want to follow covid stuff "why are you bitter/ you are a danger" --- are exactly feminine/ female responses. Every person that is acting in fear right now are feminine in nature, and everyone should not take them seriously since they are only coming from a state of emotion, not logic.

That's why I became extremely worried with moderators who have the power to silence voices have very emotional responses that lack any logic. As we've seen so far, they have removed posts and closed threads due to them not following their personal world views. It is a very bad precedent to set. At the moment, this forum is ran by feminine personnel, at least the most contributing members active in this subforum.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Frankly until you see someone in the middle of a cytokine storm or unable to breathe who realizes they’re going to die, or you have to entúbate a child knowing their chance for survival diminishes greatly at that point you have no voice here.

Hope you never have to experience it, truly.

take care man

Oh, don't give me that condescending bullsh*t. I'm surprised you didn't say, "Who hurt you?" or "Ok boomer".
I have friends in the medical industry. It isn't about if they are in it for the money or if they want to help. That isn't even the question. They are still going to tow the party line and give you the "approved" story because they don't want to loose their jobs or be punished. There are also a good portion of them that are Leftists and either believe the Media & the Leftist politicians/bureaucrats and will tow the party line,...and they will do it even if they know the Left is lying because in the minds of the Leftist lying for the "greater good" is ok.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Or you can just believe in science and actual data. Anyone thinking the crazy events that have been taking place weather wise taken together as a whole could be possible without climate change are delusional.

It's one thing to have record heat waves, record flooding, record drought, record hurricanes, etc etc...

But when you have them all at the same time in different places, that is something totally not really possible without significant changes occurring.

Now they are finding there is a very large ocean current system that is near complete collapse due to climate change that will have massive consequences for many different places, mostly Europe and North America...

Humans cause their own problems then try and pretend as if they didn't. Comical.

You do realize that the Earth's climate has been in a continuous state of change for the past 4.5 billion years, right? Even if you ignore the earlier periods and focus on the last 500 million years, the average global temperature today is significantly lower than the long-term average. In the past, there have been periods when the average global temperature was in excess of 90F. Today, it's around 60F. You just have to laugh at people freaking out over a 1-2 degree increase (which is totally normal in light of long-term temperature trends).

(The above data is form the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been)

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

So said every dictator. "For the good of the motherland!". Communism is built on it.

ok man I have my PPE on now feel free to spout your vitriolic drivel.

 

[FairShake]

Yep. All these people shooting their mouths off about mandatory vaccination are about to get a huge surprise when the health care system, seniors homes, etc. suffer staff shortages. There are some people who simply WILL NOT take this shot, and will walk away from their jobs.

I am one of them.

If I take it, I will decide. I won't be forced by an employer

Nurses are talking about quitting because of burn out and people's lack of concern about hospital workers, other citizens, and their own bodies.

When people don't give a damn about themselves and the sick and elderly some nurses don't give a damn either.

That may end up being our reckoning

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You do realize that the Earth's climate has been in a continuous state of change for the past 4.5 billion years, right? Even if you ignore the earlier periods and focus on the last 500 million years, the average global temperature today is significantly lower than the long-term average. In the past, there have been periods when the average global temperature was in excess of 90F. Today, it's around 60F. You just have to laugh at people freaking out over a 1-2 degree increase (which is totally normal in light of long-term temperature trends).

(The above data is form the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been)

Context and timeframe matter. There has been an increase of more than 4.5 degrees Celsius in some places within a century which is entirely impossible without human intervention.

What you are referencing took millions of years to happen. What is happening now has taken under 200. Kind of a huge difference don't you think?

 

[Bokanovsky]

Where are these "some places" experiencing a 4.5C increase within a century? And what evidence do you have that nothing like that has ever happened before?

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

 

[PRW63]

Reminder that all the emotional responses that are being done against people who don't want to follow covid stuff "why are you bitter/ you are a danger" --- are exactly feminine/ female responses. Every person that is acting in fear right now are feminine in nature, and everyone should not take them seriously since they are only coming from a state of emotion, not logic.

The problem with not taking them seriously is directly related to who/where they are. Women are increasingly running governments. Many are Governors, Prime Ministers, Presidents, etc. They have the power to force you with crazy laws to "comply",...and have the military & police at there disposal to back them up.

That's why I became extremely worried with moderators who have the power to silence voices have very emotional responses that lack any logic. As we've seen so far, they have removed posts and closed threads due to them not following their personal world views. It is a very bad precedent to set. At the moment, this forum is ran by feminine personnel, at least the most contributing members active in this subforum.

Yea,...noticed that. Haven't had any direct problems with it, but have noticed. But on the good side,...we are far better off here than many other places,...like that BP hell-hole called Reddit.

 

[PRW63]

You do realize that the Earth's climate has been in a continuous state of change for the past 4.5 billion years, right? Even if you ignore the earlier periods and focus on the last 500 million years, the average global temperature today is significantly lower than the long-term average. In the past, there have been periods when the average global temperature was in excess of 90F. Today, it's around 60F. You just have to laugh at people freaking out over a 1-2 degree increase (which is totally normal in light of long-term temperature trends).

(The above data is form the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration: https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been)

To add:
The Medieval Period was much warmer than now. It was well known, not obscure. There used to be a bunch of material on YouTube with Leftist "scientists" saying openly that, "We need to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period" (the official name they called it) because it was such a problem for them that they needed to rewrite the history and scrub its existence from the scientific historical record. Over time YouTube censored and removed such references to help them do just that. There are some left, but many that are left are the ones that "spin" the story in favor of the agenda. The 1930's were considerably warmer as well. In the late 1980s the temps began a dropping trend and have been continuing ever since. Additional, if anyone tells you the "ice caps" are melting remember that they are "growing" in other places. For example, one side of the Antarctica it is shrinking, but the opposite side is growing. It is just fluctuations in ocean current "moving" the locations around. But only the parts that support the agenda are reported

 

[Billtx49]

To add:
The Medieval Period was much warmer than now. It was well known, not obscure. There used to be a bunch of material on YouTube with Leftist "scientists" saying openly that, "We need to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period" (the official name they called it) because it was such a problem for them that they needed to rewrite the history and scrub its existence from the scientific historical record. Over time YouTube censored and removed such references to help them do just that. There are some left, but many that are left are the ones that "spin" the story in favor of the agenda. The 1930's were considerably warmer as well. In the late 1980s the temps began a dropping trend and have been continuing ever since. Additional, if anyone tells you the "ice caps" are melting remember that they are "growing" in other places. For example, one side of the Antarctica it is shrinking, but the opposite side is growing. It is just fluctuations in ocean current "moving" the locations around. But only the parts that support the agenda are reported

Gentlemen, posts on this thread have complained about Mods closing threads. What they don’t realize is that one of the main logical reasons for that action is when a thread goes totally Off Topic. This thread is at that threshold now, but we’ll give it more time and see if it can get back on track, if not, you already know what happens…

 

[Bokanovsky]

To add:
The Medieval Period was much warmer than now. It was well known, not obscure. There used to be a bunch of material on YouTube with Leftist "scientists" saying openly that, "We need to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period" (the official name they called it) because it was such a problem for them that they needed to rewrite the history and scrub its existence from the scientific historical record. Over time YouTube censored and removed such references to help them do just that. There are some left, but many that are left are the ones that "spin" the story in favor of the agenda. The 1930's were considerably warmer as well. In the late 1980s the temps began a dropping trend and have been continuing ever since. Additional, if anyone tells you the "ice caps" are melting remember that they are "growing" in other places. For example, one side of the Antarctica it is shrinking, but the opposite side is growing. It is just fluctuations in ocean current "moving" the locations around. But only the parts that support the agenda are reported

Yes, the vikings were able to settle Greenland (which was actually "green" at the time) and live off agriculture for several centuries until he temperatures cooled.

 

[PRW63]

Gentlemen, posts on this thread have complained about Mods closing threads. What they don’t realize is that one of the main logical reasons for that action is when a thread goes totally Off Topic. This thread is at that threshold now, but we’ll give it more time and see if it can get back on track, if not, you already know what happens…

True. But sometimes you gotta let the frustrations of the past year out of your system. You know as soon as anyone starts a new thread with the word "covid" in the title it is inevitable. The global world-wide "lockdown" was unprecedented in known human history. It is going to be a hot topic. Unavoidable.
If the thread gets locked,...I'll understand. No problem.