Is there anything wrong with seeing escorts?(long, personal story)

[corrector]

Physically? Nothing. Psychologically? The fact that boobs are the shooting target of cvm. And this target in particular has been shot a lot.

Psychologically, lol! If you are worried about that then how would you deal with the fact that she's seen hundreds to thousands of guys before you, many of whom have been in the same room as you've just have? Her smell doesn't even leave your system until about a week afterwards, perfume, sweat and possible cvm from other guys? You don't even know what you are smelling from her.

 

[Mister_Skinny_Jeanz]

Fvck.

it gets worse...

 

[SW15]

I would spend the money on behavioral therapy to help you work through the negative thinking pattern and adjust your approaches.

Most traditional psychologists are not going to make you better approachers. A lot of psychologists are women and blue pill men.

For instance, there is this blonde that I see at the gym almost every single day that I am there, she is around 22-24 and I would honestly rate her an 8 or 9. This has been going on for about a month, but every time I'm there she makes an effort to go out of her way to make extended eye contact with me or create proximity. Last week I was walking into the gym and by chance she was ahead of me, she holds the door for me and locks eyes with me and doesn't look away, it made me uncomfortable and I didn't say or do anything. Earlier on Monday I was there and something similar happened, except this time I was in the warmup area before going to do my full workout. This freaks me out and makes me feel uncomfortable because while I do find her attractive I start thinking about all these bad experiences I've had and I just avoid it. I logically am aware of the fact that a woman would be attracted to a man who is 6'4" and athletically built like a rugby player but it's not enough for me to overcome these fears.

Just say hi to her and ask her questions about herself. She wants to have sex with you because you are 6'4" and muscular. Being 6'4" and muscular means all you have to do in most cases is say hi and ask her questions. She isn't expecting much of you, just that you show up and don't screw it up by doing something silly. 6'4" or not, women love to talk about themselves.

 

[Jariel]

The big problem I see with escorts is the same as watching porn. You get the "reward" without any of the work. You don't experience rejection and the struggles that come with dating. You don't need to work on yourself, take time with your appearance or increase your value to get sex. This mindset is very destructive in the long term, leading to complacency and possibly entitlement issues.

When I stopped watching porn, it increased my desire to be with women and gave me more incentive to work out, pursue my goals and become a man with options. I was more willing to put myself out there, take chances, risk getting rejected and as a result I developed an immunity to rejection and more confidence.

I'm not judging the ethics for going with escorts and I think there could be a benefit to someone who is uptight about sex or painfully nervous around women, helping them loosen up a bit. I also realise that for some men it may be their only chance to have sex with an attractive girl. But there's something satisfying about a challenge, working to become a man girls find attractive and reaping the rewards of your hard work.

 

[SW15]

If he doesn't deal with these negative feedback loops then he is never going to be an approacher no matter how many boot camps he does or articles he reads.

It's unusual to be a 6'4" muscular guy and not have either a long term girlfriend (often a fit woman) or have many attractive female sex partners.

Are the negative feedback loops a result of rejections? Rejections can affect self-esteem, which can be handled in Psychology sessions.

 

[FuzzX]

I'm against prostitution for one reason only. A good friend of mine banged a local one and he got herpes. He is stuck with that for the rest of his life. You are exposing yourself to a cesspit of disease not to mention the criminal underworld that Grinderman mentioned. There are handlers, they have guns, baseball bats etc etc and they are not afraid to use them to shake you down. I don't know I guess I'm cheap but I can't imagine banging a chick that I would have to hand money over to, I can't even do that with my wife.

That said, if you are a dog ugly dude and she's offering a service she hasn't been coerced into, I don't see anything wrong with it. This clip is meant to make you feel guilty I guess, but some damn fine women there if you're into the colour yellow.

I was exposed to this stuff at a young age. My old man and my uncle used to do business in Thailand, so I was there quite a bit as a teen. My uncle when I was around 14, took me to a place in Germany (flight stop over) and told me to pick anyone. Well I backed out. My dad and him did it again when I was 16 in Thailand, told me to pick a girl at this bar we were at. I picked this one hot bartender and my uncle gave her 50 bucks and she took me in the back and started to touch me. Well I started trying to talk to her about her life, found out she was 15 yearsold or something and then I started asking her what it was like to go to school in Thailand. Uh, it was really awkward and I just told her to keep the money, she didn't look happy about that. Anyway, it turned out that my uncle took her back to his place at the end of the night to get his money's worth... I rode in the car the whole way. My uncle was 50+ at the time and a high school principal. It was the most uncomfortable ride I've ever taken in a taxi.

He got hooked on some prostitute in Thailand, thought they were in love. Chick's name was Ooom. My dad called her Boom Boom Ooom. Anyway, my uncle ended up sending her a ton of money on the promise that she wouldn't sleep with anyone else. She agreed but honestly, everyone knew what the hell was going on. Of course later it turned out that she had 3 or 4 guys just like my uncle that were handing her cash and travelling back and forth to Thailand. All while he was an upstanding, democratic, pillar of the community at home. LOL.

He wasn't my blood uncle btw, he was one of my father's battle buddies from NAM.

 

[Bigpapa]

I'm against prostitution for one reason only. A good friend of mine banged a local one and he got herpes. He is stuck with that for the rest of his life. You are exposing yourself to a cesspit of disease not to mention the criminal underworld that Grinderman mentioned. There are handlers, they have guns, baseball bats etc etc and they are not afraid to use them to shake you down. I don't know I guess I'm cheap but I can't imagine banging a chick that I would have to hand money over to, I can't even do that with my wife.

That said, if you are a dog ugly dude and she's offering a service she hasn't been coerced into, I don't see anything wrong with it. This clip is meant to make you feel guilty I guess, but some damn fine women there if you're into the colour yellow.

I was exposed to this stuff at a young age. My old man and my uncle used to do business in Thailand, so I was there quite a bit as a teen. My uncle when I was around 14, took me to a place in Germany (flight stop over) and told me to pick anyone. Well I backed out. My dad and him did it again when I was 16 in Thailand, told me to pick a girl at this bar we were at. I picked this one hot bartender and my uncle gave her 50 bucks and she took me in the back and started to touch me. Well I started trying to talk to her about her life, found out she was 15 yearsold or something and then I started asking her what it was like to go to school in Thailand. Uh, it was really awkward and I just told her to keep the money, she didn't look happy about that. Anyway, it turned out that my uncle took her back to his place at the end of the night... I rode in the car the whole way. My uncle was 50+ at the time and a high school principal. It was the most uncomfortable ride I've ever taken in a taxi.

He got hooked on some prostitute in Thailand, thought they were in love. Chick's name was Ooom. My dad called her Boom Boom Ooom. Anyway, my uncle ended up sending her a ton of money on the promise that she wouldn't sleep with anyone else. She agreed but honestly, everyone knew what the hell was going on. Of course later it turned out that she had 3 or 4 guys just like my uncle that were handing her cash and travelling back and forth to Thailand. All while he was an upstanding, democratic, pillar of the community at home. LOL.

people talk about connection and stuff like that , but the truth is that this is something difficult to find, even when dealing with women that you pick up and do not pay anything

 

[FuzzX]

people talk about connection and stuff like that , but the truth is that this is something difficult to find, even when dealing with women that you pick up and do not pay anything

I think being a cheapskate really helps separate the wheat from the chaff. My wife made about 400 bucks a month when I first met her. I still made her pay her half for dinner. I'm sure I've told this story before but she was a poor girl and her biggest dream was to go and sit down for some KFC in China. Its about the same price as Canada, which is unaffordable for the average Chinese. Well I took her to KFC and told her she could have ANYTHING she wanted from... the dollar menu.

We also ate our wedding dinner at Pizza Hut.

Let's be honest here, whomever is dumb enough to spend money on a wedding might as well be buying hookers, it's better value for your money.

The cost of the average wedding is around $30,000 USD right?

The cost of the average Thai hooker for a night is around $50. If you like curry you can bring that price down to $20. You usually get a buffet or meal with that in the more upscale places. That is 600 Thai Hookers or 1500 Indian ones for the same price as ONE night with your future wife. What a waste of money.

 

[corrector]

I'm against prostitution for one reason only. A good friend of mine banged a local one and he got herpes.

That's better than a nervous break-down and crippling demonic attack isn't it? I mean STD goes with the territory and I wouldn't care about that because if you are girl-hungry enough, you would just want to smell her hair, hug her, dance with her, practice Spanish with her if she's a Spanish escort, have her sit on your lap, there is so many things to do that do not involve penetration. The last prostitute tried to bang me, and I flipped her over and refused but did some outercourse thing instead so nothing could be transferred.....except the demons.

 

[corrector]

The big problem I see with escorts is the same as watching porn. You get the "reward" without any of the work. You don't experience rejection and the struggles that come with dating. You don't need to work on yourself, take time with your appearance or increase your value to get sex. This mindset is very destructive in the long term, leading to complacency and possibly entitlement issues.

Not if they of themselves are used as a "reward" basis if you got a string of rejections from women, or put in a good effort. What about someone who sees them after a date has gone badly, or they are divorcing, etc..... You are assuming guys are not disciplined enough to create a re-ward framework and just spoil themselves.

When I stopped watching porn, it increased my desire to be with women and gave me more incentive to work out, pursue my goals and become a man with options. I was more willing to put myself out there, take chances, risk getting rejected and as a result I developed an immunity to rejection and more confidence.

Kudos to you that this worked for you. I've abstained from viewing porn and it did nothing for me in that regard, but each person is different.

I'm not judging the ethics for going with escorts and I think there could be a benefit to someone who is uptight about sex or painfully nervous around women, helping them loosen up a bit. I also realise that for some men it may be their only chance to have sex with an attractive girl. But there's something satisfying about a challenge, working to become a man girls find attractive and reaping the rewards of your hard work.

Okay, so then it's a good idea for me, but I still can't go because of the demons.

 

[FuzzX]

That's better than a nervous break-down and crippling demonic attack isn't it? I mean STD goes with the territory and I wouldn't care about that because if you are girl-hungry enough, you would just want to smell her hair, hug her, dance with her, practice Spanish with her if she's a Spanish escort, have her sit on your lap, there is so many things to do that do not involve penetration. The last prostitute tried to bang me, and I flipped her over and refused but did some outercourse thing instead so nothing could be transferred.....except the demons.

Demons need love too.

 

[deBrito]

Okay, so then it's a good idea for me, but I still can't go because of the demons.

Porn doesn't give you demons?

 

[corrector]

Porn doesn't give you demons?

Not the kind that collapses my mind for a month. Maybe more little imps or small demons, not the big crazy ones that can jump you and laugh and have a heyday. Even small ones are dangerous in their own right because they can set you up for an ambush to the larger ones. At least they can put you outside of God's protection if you keep yielding to them.

When I got jumped I remembered the small sins before the big ones (using a fleshlight sex toy and fapping to escort pics). I felt hit by those too.

The imps are like agents studying you and building a case, scheming and strategizing how to possess you.

 

[FuzzX]

Not the kind that collapses my mind for a month. Maybe more little imps or small demons, not the big crazy ones that can jump you and laugh and have a heyday. Even small ones are dangerous in their own right because they can set you up for an ambush to the larger ones. At least they can put you outside of God's protection if you keep yielding to them.

When I got jumped I remembered the small sins before the big ones (using a fleshlight sex toy and fapping to escort pics). I felt hit by those too.

The imps are like agents studying you and building a case, scheming and strategizing how to possess you.

Are you speaking metaphorically? If not how often do you see these little guys?

 

[deBrito]

The difference between most posters here and incels is that most of us escaped the negative feedback loop. We ALL had it or else we would not be here. I used to have the same processes he has. Incels, on the other hand, cannot escape the programming because it is too deep and/or their ego is still in Disney fairyland.

With him, the biggest obvious issue is that he doesn't feel he should need to change or can change. To be fair, it won't be easy.

I have this issue, this negative feedback loop, and each rejection throws me another negative feedback, but I'm slowly but surely scaping this cycle. It is hard, but worth. You can't afford the luxury of a bad thought.

 

[corrector]

Are you speaking metaphorically? If not how often do you see these little guys?

The jump happened on December 6, 2014, the the morning after December 5, 2014 I saw escort before midnight. (If you are a cop in Canada then you should know the law made buying sex illegal after midnight so this was a panic purchase). This would be metaphorically of course, I'm not schizophrenic, its the turmoil I felt in my soul and in my conscience.

 

[deBrito]

I am lucky that I was able to mostly get out of it in the pre-online dating era. Every time I made a minor adjustment or improvement to myself it reaped noticeable rewards.

It's very difficult to have enough success starting from the ground floor in today's market. Idid mentor a few guys in the prior era and they started having some success and pay off but then all of a sudden the game shifted and now they act like self-improvement just doesn't work.... It does but yes things are way more competitive now

It's the way it is. I can't complain, this is the deck of cards that were dealt to me. Let's play it out. I just gotta absorb the knowledge of you OG folks and adapt it to today's ways.

 

[Grinderman]

Porn doesn't give you demons?

Yes, it does. Porn plants the seeds of latent homosexuality. In other words, porn turns many an otherwise heterosexual man, one who is not fully in control of his desires, into a potential homosexual time bomb waiting to blow....(literally and figuratively).

Now before you think ah this is just a rant against the gays, it's not really. I share more or less the same perspective as our red pill friend Bonecraker motherfvcker and some religious leaders (what that homosexuality is an abomination? em let's see) No. There are some (but very few...) GENUINE HOMOSEXUAL MEN. They are attracted to MEN. They will be in normal relationships with a partner and are discreet without hiding anything (they don't advertise their sexuality, but they don't hide it if you were to for some reason....eh enquire ). The don't speak like FREAKS. Thy don't dress like FREAKS. They don't talk with C0CK SUCKING LISPS like weird alien lizard FREAKS. They don't get off on trying to make other people feel uncomfortable like FREAKS. They are normal men. All the rest are not genuine homosexuals....they are ...you guessed it FREAKS. The have taken on a person and become OBSESSED by their pursuit of c0ck. You could call them thrill seekers. They are fcking lost and doomed. If there is reincarnation they will come back as dogs.

Back to porn........Take your "normal" male growing up.....he masturbates.....he's watching C0CK on the screen as well as tits and puzzy......but all these images of c0ck gets absorbed by the subconscious. The subconscious CANNOT THINK FOR ITSELF it just takes in what you put there and sooner or later will try to manifest it into the concrete world..

...the seed has been planted. Again and again.

Men who are imprisoned and who are slaves to their desires.....decide to make another man his biatch......only possible because of uncontrolled desires and latent homosexuality. A FREAK. He will rationalize and say that he gave it and didn't take it. FREAK.

Men who are imprisoned and allow themselves to be punked out.......only possible because of uncontrolled desires and latent homosexuality. A FREAK. Will dies of aids and is a turned out FREAK.

Black men who are married and decide they want to have sex with other black man (very common in the black community ....tell all books written about it.) only possible because of uncontrolled desires and latent homosexuality. FREAKS. Also they REFUSE TO WEAR CONDOMS because of some weird rationalization that using rubber would mean that it was really sex (don't fcking ask) so not only do they get AIDS but they bring that AIDS home to their poor unsuspecting wives and kill them. FREAKS.

White men who are married and decide that they are "curious" or "bi curious" and decide to have "sex" with other men. FREAKS. only possible because of uncontrolled desires and latent homosexuality. FREAKS. CARRIERS OF AIDS AND MURDERERS OF WIVES.

So called "bisexual men". No such thing. FREAKS. only possible because of uncontrolled desires and latent homosexuality. We also have these FREAKS to thank for spreading all kinds of ****e in what was a clean heterosexual world until the invasion of these FREAKS AND THRILLSEEKERS.

TRANNYS, TRANSEXUALS, CROSSDRESSERS ETC FREAKS. only possible because of uncontrolled desires and latent homosexuality. Watching porn and consuming so much c0ck that they start putting themselves in the role of the woman. FREAKS.

Porn? Imagine other animals watching videos of other animals humping....

A man has plenty of his own experiences that he can draw upon if he feels like the letting one out OR potential lays that he is GOING TO PERSUE. Your own imagination is rich with experience and potential. Don't pollute it with unnecessary wrong input and garbage.

For the moment, all discipline seems not to be pleasant, but painful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterward it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.

 

[FuzzX]

The jump happened on December 6, 2014, the the morning after December 5, 2014 I saw escort before midnight. (If you are a cop in Canada then you should know the law made buying sex illegal after midnight so this was a panic purchase). This would be metaphorically of course, I'm not schizophrenic, its the turmoil I felt in my soul and in my conscience.

I wasn't sure, little disappointed though, more interesting if you were seeing little gremlins running around. Not a cop btw, law enforcement is a big field. Not stupid enough to walk the beat in the current climate. That's a death sentence. I digress though. I'm not sure about the gays but from the ones I had interactions with I would say Grinderman is pretty close. I RARELY have met a gay dude that was not a massive horn dog and I find it a little disturbing that everyone is now O K with that type of behavior even exposing their children to it to show their devotion to this new republic.

I used to know one gay guy who ... ugh, he revealed this one hobby he had which was collecting pubes off of toilet seats... he had a collection in his house. You know, when you're young you don't think anything of hanging around these people but when he said that to me... well it gave me the willies. My super progressive gf though was completely fine with it. I don't know why but I could never shake that feeling. So when Grinder is going off about freaks, yeah I could pin point a couple. I used to work the gay classes in ESL because none of the other guys I worked with would do it. I didn't care, I just wanted the money. I ran into some really weird **** though. I made a friend with one flaming homo dude named Everton. He had a super high voice and his husband was a doctor. Anyway, we are out on the street one day and this dude comes running at us (to catch a bus) and he hits me and kind of shoves me aside. Well Everton went from flamer to footballer and had this guy up by his collar. I swore he sounded as bassy as Darth Vader. The guy apologized and Everton let him go and then he went right back to having this super high flakey voice and girlish manner, a complete 180.

He was the most bitchy dude I ever met and he taught English to boot. He used to sort the kids by ugliness. Reminded me of this clip.

I had another experience in Brazil where this effeminate dude promised to hook me up with this one chick he was going on about. I was single so I was into it, anyway, the day of, we go to this gay bar to meet this broad, who is most definitely a lez. Anyway, we go up to the terrace and all of a sudden he makes a move on me. "When are you gonna **** me?". I was like "What? I thought we were friends dude!?!?". Guy is a little surprised and says "oh common you're gay, don't play with me."... I stopped hanging out with fags after that man... I'm just glad dude didn't try to rape me. How did we get on this topic?

Oh porn right. Anyway, I think there's some truth to the 'too much porn' idea. One of my friends who I've discussed on the forum here used to watch TONS of porn and he was always talking about d1cks. He had like an obsession with black d1cks, talking about size, shape, etc etc. He would talk about it when we were playing games, going out to nightclubs, in bookstores, it was an endless stream of d1cks. I don't know why he never talked about tits or pvssy or legs you know.... nope, d1cks.

 

[deBrito]

Yes, it does. Porn plants the seeds of latent homosexuality. In other words, porn turns many an otherwise heterosexual man, one who is not fully in control of his desires, into a potential homosexual time bomb waiting to blow....(literally and figuratively).

Now before you think ah this is just a rant against the gays, it's not really. I share more or less the same perspective as our red pill friend Bonecraker motherfvcker and some religious leaders (what that homosexuality is an abomination? em let's see) No. There are some (but very few...) GENUINE HOMOSEXUAL MEN. They are attracted to MEN. They will be in normal relationships with a partner and are discreet without hiding anything (they don't advertise their sexuality, but they don't hide it if you were to for some reason....eh enquire ). The don't speak like FREAKS. Thy don't dress like FREAKS. They don't talk with C0CK SUCKING LISPS like weird alien lizard FREAKS. They don't get off on trying to make other people feel uncomfortable like FREAKS. They are normal men. All the rest are not genuine homosexuals....they are ...you guessed it FREAKS. The have taken on a person and become OBSESSED by their pursuit of c0ck. You could call them thrill seekers. They are fcking lost and doomed. If there is reincarnation they will come back as dogs.

Back to porn........Take your "normal" male growing up.....he masturbates.....he's watching C0CK on the screen as well as tits and puzzy......but all these images of c0ck gets absorbed by the subconscious. The subconscious CANNOT THINK FOR ITSELF it just takes in what you put there and sooner or later will try to manifest it into the concrete world..

...the seed has been planted. Again and again.

Men who are imprisoned and who are slaves to their desires.....decide to make another man his biatch......only possible because of uncontrolled desires and latent homosexuality. A FREAK. He will rationalize and say that he gave it and didn't take it. FREAK.

Men who are imprisoned and allow themselves to be punked out.......only possible because of uncontrolled desires and latent homosexuality. A FREAK. Will dies of aids and is a turned out FREAK.

Black men who are married and decide they want to have sex with other black man (very common in the black community ....tell all books written about it.) only possible because of uncontrolled desires and latent homosexuality. FREAKS. Also they REFUSE TO WEAR CONDOMS because of some weird rationalization that using rubber would mean that it was really sex (don't fcking ask) so not only do they get AIDS but they bring that AIDS home to their poor unsuspecting wives and kill them. FREAKS.

White men who are married and decide that they are "curious" or "bi curious" and decide to have "sex" with other men. FREAKS. only possible because of uncontrolled desires and latent homosexuality. FREAKS. CARRIERS OF AIDS AND MURDERERS OF WIVES.

So called "bisexual men". No such thing. FREAKS. only possible because of uncontrolled desires and latent homosexuality. We also have these FREAKS to thank for spreading all kinds of ****e in what was a clean heterosexual world until the invasion of these FREAKS AND THRILLSEEKERS.

TRANNYS, TRANSEXUALS, CROSSDRESSERS ETC FREAKS. only possible because of uncontrolled desires and latent homosexuality. Watching porn and consuming so much c0ck that they start putting themselves in the role of the woman. FREAKS.

Porn? Imagine other animals watching videos of other animals humping....

A man has plenty of his own experiences that he can draw upon if he feels like the letting one out OR potential lays that he is GOING TO PERSUE. Your own imagination is rich with experience and potential. Don't pollute it with unnecessary wrong input and garbage.

For the moment, all discipline seems not to be pleasant, but painful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterward it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.

I agree with you. Me myself was an addict to porn and thanks to God and meself I've turned that around. My perception of life changed for the better without a doubt. I was not into anything extreme or saw many kinks, but it sucked my life energy. I'm thankful I'm not addicted to it anymore, my life changed.