Intentionally didn't attempt a kiss on first date...surprisingly successful

[Paper Crane]

Hopefully this changes quickly because otherwise youll be that guy she hits up to have drinks with before she goes and f_cks Dr. D_ck.

If you're meeting girls online and you're not smashing same day, you're putting yourself in a friendzone.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Hopefully this changes quickly because otherwise youll be that guy she hits up to have drinks with before she goes and f_cks Dr. D_ck.

If you're meeting girls online and you're not smashing same day, you're putting yourself in a friendzone.

I've been doing this a long time bro. Banged 40 women from OLD in the past 4 or 5 years. Only 8 have been SNLs. Probably 10 on 2nd dates and most on the 3rd with the others on 4th or 5th dates.

If you put yourself in the friendzone by not banging them on a first date you have some serious holes in what you are doing or the lack of value they see in you.

Trust me, I will be fine.

 

[Paper Crane]

I've been doing this a long time bro. Banged 40 women from OLD in the past 4 or 5 years. Only 8 have been SNLs. Probably 10 on 2nd dates and most on the 3rd with the others on 4th or 5th dates.

If you put yourself in the friendzone by not banging them on a first date you have some serious holes in what you are doing or the lack of value they see in you.

Trust me, I will be fine.

I was just saying it in a general sense but yeah I might have confused your post. Your post read like you just had a hang out / friendly time with this girl. I never waste time with any girl from Tinder or other apps unless we know we're meeting to have sex.

 

[deBrito]

I had a date with a skinny blonde chick, and this one i kissed 1st date, but the signals she sent me were 100% saying "i want you", so, when the woman sends you the correct signals and you do not take it, i guess it may be cowardice to not go for it.

And another case, met another chick at gym, very fit, visible abs, whole package, blonde aswell (with this you may notice my preference), and i went 3 dates with her without making any move, just because i could not recognize any attraction signal from her, she looked disinterested as heck in me, but always gave warm answers and accepted to all my dates invites without question, until the end of the 3rd date, she sent me the signal, i pulled her next to me and went for it (full alpha), it went well.

Very different experiences leading to the same place.
Keep in mind that i'm a noob at this, and you guys know your way, just placing my 2 cents here.

 

[SW15]

Ive tried both approaches (kiss vs no kiss) over the years. The first date kiss doesn’t increase or decrease their interest level, nor is it an immediate accurate test if interest. I’ve found no correlation between if I kissed her on the first date or not leading to an eventual bang. The only difference in outcome I’ve noticed is that going for the kiss does force them to reveal their interest level sooner when it comes to the second date. Second dates were more common by not going for kiss but it took more dates for them to drop off. However, the girls I’ve attempted to kiss (reject or not) let me know before the second date if things were going anywhere. I’ve banged a lot of chicks that rejected my first date kiss attempts. I’ve also kissed a lot of chicks on the first date that never answered my phone calls after. Hope all of that makes sense...

This is similar to my experience. There are guys in the seduction game advocating for the first date kiss and those against it.

I think with an in-person pickup, the first date kiss is easier because it is the 2nd overall time interacting as compared the swipe app sourced date.

 

[Clamslammer]

Apparently not always. Several people on this board and AMS are successful and advocate for NOT kissing on the first date. I believe it stems from having a mindset that you are qualifying them rather than the other way around.

In some ways, perhaps feeling the "need" to kiss shows a scarcity mindset? I date pretty heavily...usually 2 new women a week so I will have plenty of chances to utilize this.

I'm not sure if I will continue doing this or not...might start splitting down the middle and compare results.

Kissing a girl or not kissing a girl on the first date does not mean anything. Lets see if you get a second date...a third date...etc... that is the only barometer of her interest level. These crazies will screw a guy on the first date ans not return their call...they are really turning into men now.

 

[BadBoy89]

Men should remember, these girls are not virgins and their stock is crashing and burning by the second. If a woman is USED and the value of her commodity is going DOWN each minute, she better give up the goods or service pretty fast or the man should move on quickly.

Since a woman past the age of 21 usually exchanges sex for resources, I’m almost at the point of asking every women I date: “you are not HOOKER, are you?”

 

[lost_blackbird]

LOL @ this thread.
I appreciate my outlook on this is fairly unconventional but were I to document my first few intimate
encounters/overnights with the very intelligent and attractive woman, 10 years my junior who eventually went on
to marry me and stay with me for a total of nearly two decades then you'd truly realise the potential
power of the completely passive approach I tend to favour. In years after we first coupled up we discussed
this time in our history and it was the fact that I wasn't remotely trying to hump her (like every one else was) that
made me so appealing to her. A woman has to be literally pulling me onto her before I'll make any attempt to
reciprocate. My wife was no different in this regard. I was 28 and she just 18 when we first met/hooked up. But
it took a fair few encounters before sex happened. Much to her annoyance as it turned out although she never
showed it at the time.

 

[ThisIsSparta]

LOL @ this thread.
I appreciate my outlook on this is fairly unconventional but were I to document my first few intimate
encounters/overnights with the very intelligent and attractive woman, 10 years my junior who eventually went on
to marry me and stay with me for a total of nearly two decades then you'd truly realise the potential
power of the completely passive approach I tend to favour. In years after we first coupled up we discussed
this time in our history and it was the fact that I wasn't remotely trying to hump her (like every one else was) that
made me so appealing to her. A woman has to be literally pulling me onto her before I'll make any attempt to
reciprocate. My wife was no different in this regard. I was 28 and she just 18 when we first met/hooked up. But
it took a fair few encounters before sex happened. Much to her annoyance as it turned out although she never
showed it at the time.

Society and women were different back then. Good times!

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Oh, and if she doesn’t drop the panties by the third date, she’s out.

I never follow this rule. Would have missed out on the 2 best LTRs of my life if I did and we used to fvck like rabbits in both of them.

 

[MoMoses]

LOL @ this thread.
In years after we first coupled up we discussed
this time in our history and it was the fact that I wasn't remotely trying to hump her (like every one else was) that
made me so appealing to her. A woman has to be literally pulling me onto her before I'll make any attempt to
reciprocate. My wife was no different in this regard.

You only have long term relationships. I understand where you're coming from, man. I really understand your point, but this is all about escalating with as many women possible. Not trying to find the one to settle down with. Let's just say some of us aren't interested in that (anymore). Sure, it can pay off to let the woman work for it. But this makes you a fisherman rather than a hunter. There's nothing wrong with that. It catches 'prey' aswell so well done. But we're talking game here.

You may feel most guys in this thread are overthinking things and are placing too much importance on when to kiss a girl - again, I get why you may feel this way - but it ain't about taking your time to get to know the person you wanna settle down with. It's all about getting things moving because in most cases we have other dates lined up with other women and we don't wanna lose too much time. If one doesn't put out, no problem, then we know and we can concentrate on another one.

It's a different way of looking at things and prioritizing stuff I guess. Glad you met your wife and you courted her the old fashioned way. That's nice and I'm happy for the two of you

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I think a lot of guys - like 98% - think they have to get to know a girl before anything sexual happens.

...and I don't really look at it as me, as a guy, 'gaming' her. She wants sex just as much as I do.

Of course this is true but I have found the ones that you bang on the first date aren't usually the best candidates for something long term.

Just what I have found in my personal experiences. Others may have something different.

 

[Lookatu]

Kissing a girl or not kissing a girl on the first date does not mean anything. Lets see if you get a second date...a third date...etc... that is the only barometer of her interest level. These crazies will screw a guy on the first date ans not return their call...they are really turning into men now.

Correct and I agree. Girls kissing these days are the same as a handshake for a lot of them. It doesn't mean they like you to go any further. If they are willing to put in the 2nd or 3rd date and make time for you is a better gauge.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Correct and I agree. Girls kissing these days are the same as a handshake for a lot of them. It doesn't mean they like you to go any further. If they are willing to put in the 2nd or 3rd date and make time for you is a better gauge.

I'm usually pretty successful at getting 2nd and 3rd dates. Pretty rare if a woman texts me first after a date that I don't see them again.

 

[lost_blackbird]

It's a different way of looking at things and prioritizing stuff I guess. Glad you met your wife and you courted her the old fashioned way. That's nice and I'm happy for the two of you

We're separated over a year and are divorcing in October. My autism became too much for her to cope with in
the end. We are dividing our estate up at the moment with two of our three houses on the market so that I can
leave the marriage with some capital. The soon to be ex wife is remaining in our home so that's her half.

 

[MatureDJ]

I pretty much don't do it anymore unless she's earned it , although I do amp up the kino.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I haven’t read the entire thread. I’ve found that when dealing with possible relationship material, withholding the kiss is usually a powerful strategy. It separates you from the pack, and demonstrates restraint and keeps her guessing. This will backfire if you project shyness. If you’re otherwise confident, it’s a good tactic.

My style (except for instances of ons), has always been to not kiss on the first date. All it did was heighten their excitement for the future. It separated me from all the other dogs chasing her down.

When on a more “immediate” mission, obviously going in for the kiss is mandatory.

 

[Mister_Skinny_Jeanz]

So I have to say I always tried to kiss a woman on a first date, but I read others saying not to and that works for them.

I decided to try it last night and actually also cut the date short. I told a woman that we were going out to play mini golf and then maybe get a drink after.

We played, convo was good, fun and occasionally sexual...I asked her what her superpower would be if she could have one and she said to be invisible...I immediately accused her of only wanting that so she could sneak in the bathroom and watch me in the shower and she cracked up laughing...

At the end of the game we walked out and I told her unfortunately I had to run so we couldn't grab a drink tonight and she looked a little disappointed but then said well I don't leave for vacation for 2 weeks maybe we can do that another night and I said maybe...we will see. Gave her a hug and wished her a good night.

Before I get home I get a text saying how much fun she had and hoping we could get together for a drink sometime soon with 3 exclamation points.

I guess those advocating for no kiss on a first date might not be as wrong as I thought they were. Learning moment for me for sure.

good you didnt kiss, she could have swallowed her ex's kids before the date fool
never be quick to kiss

 

[BackInTheGame78]

UPDATE:
Went out on a 2nd date with her for drinks and we had fun and as I walked her to her car she almost jumped me as I went to kiss her...super passionate kisses from her...had 2 makeout sessions.

She is heading on vaca for 5 days next week but is trying to find time to get together with me before she leaves...planning cooking dinner together with her as dessert