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What's a solution in today's world for having kids?

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The median length of a marriage that ends in divorce is 7 years. However, we need to account for pre-marital relationship time so the median length marriage ending in a divorce is usually a 10 year long relationship.

If you want to consider the fat part of the bell curve on relationship duration, a lot of extended relationships that fail are failures after 7-12 years. I think a lot of non-marital relationships either fail in the first 1-2 years, or then become marital relationships that fail in 7-12 years.

If you have kids today, realize that the odds are against you being with the mother of the kids by the time the kids turn 18. Even if you are still with their mother when the kids are 18, the marital quality was likely low for long portions of that relationship.
The question is why? Or, as Doc Love put it - “why do women choose to stay with a man?”

If 50% of marriages end in divorce, then 50% of marriages do not end in divorce. What is the common them among those that do and do not work out?

I will continue to advocate that women are the choosers and men we have to make a practical choice when it comes to marriage, which is the healthiest environment with which to raise children. Chasing above your SMV will have you in divorce court. A lot of women aren’t even that interested in their husband on their wedding day.

Your finances also have a huge role in relationship longevity.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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The question is why? Or, as Doc Love put it - “why do women choose to stay with a man.”

If 50% of marriages end in divorce, then 50% of marriages do not end in divorce. What is the common them among those that do and do not work out?

I will continue to advocate that women are the choosers and men we have to make a practical choice. Chasing above your SMV will have you in divorce court. Your finances also have a huge role in a marriage,
Options = Instability. Heartiste said that. The more options that a woman perceives she is, the more likely she is to take off and explore those options. If she thinks she can do better, she will leave. With male surpluses, a lot of women can opt out and it's not bad.
 

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No, just no. Most married couples nowadays divorce because of the 7 year itch or because they are upset with themselves (females). Clarey and Coper back this up with stats. Nothing wrong with a cohabitation agreement and living together. That's a dudes best option. Asking a dude who's never been married their advice on marriage and divorce is like asking a chef to fix your car. They do not have the experience to propertly diagnose the issues. Has nothing to do with brains or the person, just experience in going through this.
Clarey also pointed out the magic income for a man is about $68,000 a year.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Aaron Clarey is the world's only motorcycle riding, ballroom dancing, fossil hunting, mountain climbing, economist. He spent 15 years in banking to learn that work sucks, life is short, and it was not meant to be spent in a cube suffering the idiots of corporate America. He left and has since pursued a career in writing, consulting, ballroom dancing, and hedonism.

why is this guy an authority figure on married life?
 

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I appreciate this site, as it's helped me immensely...and continues to. But I don't subscribe to any of the MGTOW crap that anyone pushes here.
I'm not MGTOW.
Y’all should stop having conversations about statistics and studies.

Life is meant to be lived and enjoyed.
I like to put things in perspective when planning and preparing. I do live and enjoy life.
Aaron Clarey is the world's only motorcycle riding, ballroom dancing, fossil hunting, mountain climbing, economist. He spent 15 years in banking to learn that work sucks, life is short, and it was not meant to be spent in a cube suffering the idiots of corporate America. He left and has since pursued a career in writing, consulting, ballroom dancing, and hedonism.

why is this guy an authority figure on married life?
No one claimed he is.
 

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I may be alone on this forum, or at least the only single guy willing to admit it, but I want to be married and have kids one day.
I would like a family one day as well. That is why I brought this up.
This statement right here and others like it annoys the hell out of me. Fvck the stats, they tell you about what happens in the average population of which most people are idiots. Are you an idiot? No, I suspected that.

It's like the stock market. Most people say it's like going to the casino, yet there are people who have made a fortune figuring out the logic and made fortune on it. Even the casinos are beaten by some really clever guys, they figured out the way and won the game.

So is it really like flipping a coin? I don't think so. It's too easy to claim we have no control, to take no responsibility for getting what we want and just give up altogether like the rest of everyone.

Maybe the odds are against you, but if you're going to play that game of marriage and kids you only need to find one woman out of billions. Just one! The rest are irrelevant! Is it a 50/50? No! You can apply your brain in order to affect the chance of a positive outcome in your favor. It will never be 100%, but that's why you always have an exit strategy ready before you go in, just in case sh!t does hit the fan. You will never get this without some risk, you can reduce the risk, but it's unrealistic to completely negate it. If you can't handle that then you have effectively accepted that it's never going to happen.

I see one thread after another pointing out this or that low quality ho on onlyfans, pointing out some nasty sh!t a woman did to a man or pointing at women who are obviously sh!t. You know what, I agree, all of the examples provided are those of sh!t women. There are indeed a lot of them out there, but I don't care. I don't care about onlyfans, I don't care what some criminal did to their boyfriend or how outrageous that woman's actions are. I DON'T CARE! It takes me less than a second to filter them out as the human trash that they are. What I care about is what's left after I have taken out the trash, when all the obvious b!tches and even the less obvious ones are thrown out of my attention.

There might actually just be so many bad women out there that we don't even notice the ones that aren't. Outrage is a stronger attention thief than something being as it should, as we expect. All we can do is try to wean ourselves off the shocks and notice the subtleties. I can personally say I have gotten a lot better identifying bad people doing this, even the more subtle of them, the ones who try to avoid detection by blending in with genuinely good people. It's a skill, not just pure luck. If you can't see this then you are lacking this skill and I strongly advise you to learn it as it is applicable far beyond the realms of just romantic relationships.


I have only been a father for 6 months (been with her for 5 1/2 years), so I don't think I can claim authority just yet, but my rant above pretty much sums it up. We are not powerless, we are not idiots and with all that we know of women we have a hell of a lot better odds than the average. As opposed to the average Joe we have the luxury of knowing the red flags, all we have to do is look out for them and make sure whatever promising woman we come across exhibits none of them. Again, fvck the stats, fvck the numbers, this is the way.

Just quit this "omg, I have zero control, a woman can fvck me over at any moment and I'm 100% the victim" bullsh!t. If you truly believe yourself to be that powerless then yeah, it probably is better to just forget all about this idea, it can't end well.
Valid points for sure. I just like seeing what the odds are, then looking at what I can do to improve them.

Funny enough I'm actually one of the few that makes money in casinos. I look for games with positive expected value and play them at that point. Some plays have the possible of a short term loss, but if I played that exact scenario on that game 10 times I'll come out ahead. (Example: I find a game with must hit by $500 progressive at $490)

So, I'm certain odds of success with women can be greatly improved and certainly not be left to chance or superstition.

I'm just wondering if the best move is a legal marriage.
 

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The median length of a marriage that ends in divorce is 7 years. However, we need to account for pre-marital relationship time so the median length marriage ending in a divorce is usually a 10 year long relationship.

If you want to consider the fat part of the bell curve on relationship duration, a lot of extended relationships that fail are failures after 7-12 years. I think a lot of non-marital relationships either fail in the first 1-2 years, or then become marital relationships that fail in 7-12 years.

If you have kids today, realize that the odds are against you being with the mother of the kids by the time the kids turn 18. Even if you are still with their mother when the kids are 18, the marital quality was likely low for long portions of that relationship.
Certainly a possibility. Both people need to put in 100% in order for a relationship to last. Most do not. However, dudes are waking up and not being caught behind the 8 ball because of So Suave and Youtube. Eyebrollin means well, but he doesn't understand marriage in this day and age. If anyone thinks making a million dollars a year, help raising the offspring and laying down the pipe the right way will keep a female happy, they are wrong. When eyebrollin gets married, the only place he'll be rolling is to the court house with some extra lube.

You know why marriages fail nowadays? Females just change their mind. That is it. Jesus Christ himself can come down from he heavens, but that would also do jack sh!t. You know why? Simple.. She changed her mind. The only thing a dude can do to protect himself and keep her in check is not to sign the legal document of marriage and have a cohabitation agreement. Then she doesn't have the protection of the state to take YOUR SH!T.

Think of this, you have a house, find a female, she moves in, you get married, then have kids, five - six years later she divorces you. YOU have to leave the house and keep paying the upkeep. YOU have to pay alimony, not her. YOU have to rent or buy another house. YOU have split YOUR assets. YOU have to pay for a lawyer AND her lawyer. Does this seem at all logical? FVCK NO.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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I'm just wondering if the best move is a legal marriage.
Getting married and having kids kinda goes together if you ask me. If I weren't comfortable doing one of those things then I wouldn't do the other. If it's not a woman you'd be comfortable marrying then she's not good enough to have kids with. Whether you actually do marry is another question, not really that important in my opinion, but you need to be comfortable with her to that level regardless if you ask me.
 

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Personally the best time to have kids (in the Western world) was the 70's and 80's and 90's, when the Western economy was still healthy, people were still employed with good salary, and when the crazy liberal movements were still considered crazy (which they truly are).

But now? Too risky if you ask me. WW3 is prominent. The economy is weak. Societies are being ruled by crazy ideologies. People are poisoning themselves with social media. And the leftards are running the show everywhere.

So no kids for me.
 

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I wanted to have a baby with my ex but I was so scared she would come after my assets and my family assets that I broke it off. I loved her like crazy, but it was too risky to a new create life with her because of the laws.

The rich powerful politicians designed it this way. If men want to have kids, they have to be ready to be DESTROYED emotionally, financially, physically on the mother’s whim.

If Dr. Dre, worth $800,000,000 US (cash) had a brain aneurysm because of his wife, how well do you a SoSuave member will do if a girl wants to make his life a little difficult?
 

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68k in NYC, LA, Miami, Chicagoland, Boston, or Washington State would be quite tight for a dude.
$68k in the cities you mentioned isn't going to be feasible, even for a single male with no kids and no debt. Add Washington DC, Philadelphia, San Francisco, San Diego, and Seattle to that list. A $68k earning single male with no kids and no debt will need at least one roommate to make ends meet. This will also not be a great apartment with good logistics for sex after early stage dates and his car won't be great in the metro areas listed where cars matter and public transportation is not prevalent.

It would be possible to live on $68k as a single male in Dallas, Denver, Phoenix, Houston, or San Antonio. Even in those less expensive cities, you're still not living exceptionally. Dallas and Phoenix are pretentious and status oriented so a guy making $68k in those cities is essentially invisible to women due to big hypergamy there. Denver also has a bad male surplus, which is why it is nicknamed Menver. Houston and San Antonio are a little bit better in terms of female attitudes than Dallas and Phoenix but they aren't great either and they have other issues.

Both people need to put in 100% in order for a relationship to last. Most do not. However, dudes are waking up and not being caught behind the 8 ball because of So Suave and Youtube.

If anyone thinks making a million dollars a year, help raising the offspring and laying down the pipe the right way will keep a female happy, they are wrong.
Having cash and laying good pipe is better than not having cash and not laying good pipe. Those factors can extend a relationship. There are men with cash and men who lay good pipe who realize that putting a ring on it and having babies isn't the best course for keeping things good for the longest period of time.

You know why marriages fail nowadays? Females just change their mind. That is it. Jesus Christ himself can come down from he heavens, but that would also do jack sh!t. You know why? Simple.. She changed her mind. The only thing a dude can do to protect himself and keep her in check is not to sign the legal document of marriage and have a cohabitation agreement. Then she doesn't have the protection of the state to take YOUR SH!T.

Think of this, you have a house, find a female, she moves in, you get married, then have kids, five - six years later she divorces you. YOU have to leave the house and keep paying the upkeep. YOU have to pay alimony, not her. YOU have to rent or buy another house. YOU have split YOUR assets. YOU have to pay for a lawyer AND her lawyer. Does this seem at all logical? FVCK NO.
How about not even getting married or not cohabitating? I've never gotten married and not cohabitated. At one time, I expected that I would live with a girlfriend. Now? I don't want that. Cohabitating is a way to reduce the passion and the sexual frequency. Keeping the distance can keep the novelty longer. All relationships are transient but not getting married and not cohabitating are ways to extend the shelf life, possibly to what I perceive is the maximum shelf life of goodness in most relationships.

The second you laid in the second paragraph has happened to some men I've known who have gotten divorced. I know one man who got divorced with 2 kids who was fortunate to have a wife who earned more than he did. He was not paying alimony or child support but he moved out of the house they were living in together as a couple.

Divorce/family court is always a bad idea for men.

I wanted to have a baby with my ex but I was so scared she would come after my assets and my family assets that I broke it off. I loved her like crazy, but it was too risky to a new create life with her because of the laws.

The rich powerful politicians designed it this way. If men want to have kids, they have to be ready to be DESTROYED emotionally, financially, physically on the mother’s whim.

If Dr. Dre, worth $800,000,000 US (cash) had a brain aneurysm because of his wife, how well do you a SoSuave member will do if a girl wants to make his life a little difficult?
As a man in the United States, if you want kids, you are staring at unpleasant odds. It is more likely than not that you and the mother will no longer be a couple by the time the first kid turns 18, let alone a 2nd or 3rd kid. That's not a good situation for the children.

Gen X'ers (1965-1981) were the first generation to be the children of divorce. A lot of them have had their families by now, especially the women in that cohort. Younger Gen X men (1977-1981) might be with a younger, more fertile Millennial. The thing about Gen X is that they weren't a large generation. Gen X was followed by the Millennials (1982-1996), which was a much larger generation because they were mainly the children of the large Baby Boomer generation. Divorce became even more prevalent for Millennial children who grew up mainly in the 1990s. Millennials had a poor example growing up for romantic relationships, they've been battered by economic recessions (2008 and COVID), and swipe apps became prevalent in their era. This is a recipe for bad outcomes. A lot of Millennials have stayed childless but the ones who have followed in the footsteps of Boomers and X'ers into married and family life have had similar outcomes to those generations, which have not been good.

Getting married and having kids kinda goes together if you ask me. If I weren't comfortable doing one of those things then I wouldn't do the other. If it's not a woman you'd be comfortable marrying then she's not good enough to have kids with. Whether you actually do marry is another question, not really that important in my opinion, but you need to be comfortable with her to that level regardless if you ask me.
I asked one of my friends who got married in 2017 why he didn't live with his girlfriend in perpetuity. They moved in together in 2015 after an extended amount of time as a couple prior to moving in together. He probably could have kept living with her if he'd wanted to do it that way. He said that they got married for the purpose of raising kids and having a structure of permanence for that. However, that structure is illusionary. It can be ended at any time and it's often the woman who ends it. They still don't have kids.

Personally the best time to have kids (in the Western world) was the 70's and 80's and 90's, when the Western economy was still healthy, people were still employed with good salary, and when the crazy liberal movements were still considered crazy (which they truly are).

But now? Too risky if you ask me. WW3 is prominent. The economy is weak. Societies are being ruled by crazy ideologies. People are poisoning themselves with social media. And the leftards are running the show everywhere.
The healthiest time was from 1946-1970, which coincided mostly with the Baby Boomer generation. The 1970s were a time of upheaval. At the dawn of the 1970s, you had Woodstock, birth control being well established, the Vietnam War, and the Kent State incident. As the 1970s progressed, there were oil embargoes, gas shortages, a presidential resignation, the end of the Vietnam War, economic recessions/stagflation/malaise (these were the Ford/Carter years), and a hostage crisis. The economic issues of the 1970s paled in comparison to the 2007-early 2010s recession and even the COVID crisis.

The 1980s and 1990s were better but still not great. The Carter economic maiaise persisted into 1982-1983, but the birth rate started to uptick in 1982 in the U.S., which was a sign of optimism. That's why 1982 was consider by generational theorists Strauss and Howe to be the first year of Gen Y/Millennials. The national debt in the U.S. exploded in the 1980s. The 1980s and 1990s were the era in which the solvency of Social Security was questioned for the first time. The economy was strong from late 1982/early 1983 to mid-2000 save for a small economic recession in the early 1990s that was serious enough to cost George HW Bush the presidency in 1992.

Since 2000, we've seen the dot com bubble burst, 9/11, the 2008 crash, and COVID. I was in my early to mid 20s in the 2000s between 9/11 and the 2008 crash. I remember saying at 22-23 in 2005-06 that having kids was a bad idea then based on the 2 decade projections once could make then. In 2006, I wasn't even projecting the late 2000s recession to be as bad as it was nor was I projected a global pandemic.

It's not a healthy environment from a political, economic, or social environment to raise kids in Western nations now, and it hasn't been that way since at least the year 2000.
 
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He said that they got married for the purpose of raising kids and having a structure of permanence for that. However, that structure is illusionary. It can be ended at any time and it's often the woman who ends it. They still don't have kids.
Yeah, I don't understand that reasoning. It's as if he believes such structure magically arises by signing a piece of paper, if that's the case then yeah it's an illusion. They need to build and maintain that to have that, marriage is irrelevant to it.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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Yeah, I don't understand that reasoning. It's as if he believes such structure magically arises by signing a piece of paper, if that's the case then yeah it's an illusion. They need to build and maintain that to have that, marriage is irrelevant to it.
Is it possible to build the structure of a healthy family with a healthy marriage in the United States and other Western nations that can last for 2 decades? It's difficult to argue the case for it.

Divorce with kids is a big issue. If you get divorced and you have kids with the woman, you're going to have close interactions with her for co-parenting purposes until the kids turn 18. Often times, that's a decade + of having to deal with an ex. However, it doesn't end with that decade +. Even after the kids turn 18, you'll still need to deal with that person in some way for family functions. Seeing an ex with an unpleasant ending for 3 decades isn't a great way to live.

I prefer to fully be done with an ex when it is over. Not having kids with a woman makes that possible. I know someone who had a childless divorce and the woman moved to another city upon divorce. He was glad that she moved elsewhere so that he'd never have to see her in person again. Post divorce, he had heard once through his social circle (the social circle put them together initially) that she was going to be in town one weekend. He was concerned he'd randomly run into her around the area (a mid-sized U.S. metro) that weekend. He didn't want that. I think he was considering sheltering-in-place that weekend (this was pre-COVID) but I don't think he ultimately did that. He didn't randomly run into her that weekend.
 

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SO I have a 75 year old bachelor uncle. No kids, and until a few years ago no LTR.

When I was married with 3 young children I envied his freedom. But now looking at it, he never really did much with it. He had SUCH a non-committal attitude that it was aggravating to get him to do anything. You literally had to tell him "This is what we are doing, are you in? I need a yes or no by such and such date"

He retired a couple years ago and started dating a woman 10 years younger than him. She has consumed his life. Kinda like you see happen with the first relationship after a breakup or divorce. (I've been there) . Part of me is glad he has a support system in his old age. But part of me feels he built this free life and then handed it to this woman.
 

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Everything costs something.

If you want a wife type, create a wife attracting life style, not a PUA lifestyle.

Screen heavily and it shouldn't be a problem.

Don't expect a beauty queen and look for religious type conservative ladies with two parents.
 

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$68k in the cities you mentioned isn't going to be feasible, even for a single male with no kids and no debt. Add Washington DC, Philadelphia, San Francisco, San Diego, and Seattle to that list. A $68k earning single male with no kids and no debt will need at least one roommate to make ends meet. This will also not be a great apartment with good logistics for sex after early stage dates and his car won't be great in the metro areas listed where cars matter and public transportation is not prevalent.
That’s not true at all. $68,000 is actually slightly above the median salary for those areas. I bought my condo in Northern New Jersey when I was making around that. No roommates.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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