"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Is the situation these day such that dating a much younger woman has to be done via Sugar-Daddying?

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I was reading this, and it got me interested:
my opinion: I can't afford it. :(
I am chasing high value and legacy. It won't matter then. It is a mess atm with the virus and smp. Furthermore, red pill marry post wall not top form smv. Whether it be sugar baby's or marriage, men pay. It's all a opportunity cost. Tbh sugar is cheaper not that I would know. I saw stats on the divorces and it was usually pushing 30yr old women.
 

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Nope, doesn't have to be. Also depends how old you are and how high your SMV is. If you're old, out of shape and broke then maybe. But if you can still hold your own, just look for a girl bw the ages of 25-29, that's usually when they start becoming conscious of the wall and are more open to dating older guys.
 

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I was reading this, and it got me interested:
No?
Take care of yourself so you look great and make sure you don't have dadbody lol
Stand out from the crowd in other words, the the gym etc. ,educate yourself if needed to get that attractive job (Or whatever it takes to become your best self version)

Chase excellence, not chicks in other words and the tables are reversed.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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How much did you spend supporting her?

I spent $200,000 (£150,000) while dating on the site, and about 90 percent of that was on the third woman. I bought her a lot of jewellery. I’d buy her a ring, she would lose the ring or say it got stolen, and I’d buy her another ring to replace the ring. Then her rent, it was $3,500, $3,600 (£2,700-£2,800), plus a security deposit. I know. It was sort of like, hey dude, what are you doing?
This guy I'd say is a simp. Women don't respect guys that buys loads of things to her. That is beta behavior. If your girl considers you alpha then she will buy gifts to you instead with her own money.

So he is simp like all others that use these kind of websites. Women know this and have put this into system to milk these guys for their money, just like onlyfans.. sigh..
 
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I’ve had more women in their 30’s try to bum money off of me than ANY girl in her 20’s. It’s like when they become 30+ they become bums and mooches. The higher in their 30’s the bigger the mooch in my experience.
 
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Well first to address the question. I believe if you're not in the top 10%, hanging out at the right spots, married, busy schedule, etc.
And want way younger females than you and you're living in the US, then yes I'm of the belief that you will most likely have more/instant success with going this route.

I've dabbled in this over the course of 2 years and also have known people in it to come up with my own conclusions. Here are some highlights I've found.
- The uglier you are, the more you will ultimately be paying for little return
- The younger the sugar baby is, the higher the flake rate
- There's a good mix of pro's, semi-pro's, amateurs, curious girls on those sites. Screening is important depending on what you want
- Sugar babies can fall in love with you
- Not all ask for money. Some want guidance, a job, networking, mentorship, etc. However it all has to be "mutually beneficial" in some way
- There are still 40yo+ post wall women that think they can compete with the 20yo and their sense of entitlement is even higher. LOL
- If you are good looking and have good game, you can often get with some of these girls and not have it be transactional
- Within the past 2 years though the quality of sugaring has gone down the drain. However there are newbies always joining so these are the ones that still have potential

I can go on and on but if anyone has any questions that I've had experience with, I'd be glad to answer it.
 

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I’ve had more women in their 30’s try to bum money off of me than ANY girl in her 20’s. It’s like when they become 30+ they become bums and mooches. The higher in their 30’s the bigger the mooch in my experience.
That's because with the age comes a hit to the Sexual Market Value and the attendant inability to get men to throw money at them. :rolleyes:
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Young women want to lead exciting lives, can't blame them... Let's face it, most guys who make good money do not have shining personalities, vice versa. Girls just want to have fun, the problem is that the world figured that out and monetized all manners of fun.
 

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Young women want to lead exciting lives, can't blame them... Let's face it, most guys who make good money do not have shining personalities, vice versa. Girls just want to have fun, the problem is that the world figured that out and monetized all manners of fun.
TRUTH.....and girls know they can have both the money guys and the alphas. They can act like little princesses in restaurants and airplanes with the betas, ride motorcycles and get f*cked/impregnated by the alphas, then go back to the betas to play the housewife/mommy/shopaholic role. All these things are available to them.

You absolutely must weed this bullsh*t out if you ever hope to have anything even resembling a decent LTR or marriage. 80% of western women fall into this nonsense. The best girls are looking for a little of both, but you still have to look at their history to see the real pattern.
 

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Sounds like legalized prositiuion. More and more females have brought their gender's value down to, well, two or three holes; and a lot of emptiness. Not sure if this is the beginning of the end for the current human kind.
it always was, again diference from a prostitute to a normal woman is, the prostitute is cheaper, men are know to saving woman from they financial pits, and know to make billionares into millionares, reason for marriages during the ages, the guy who have the better resources, would get the best looking and young ones, nothing of this is new, diference now is somewhere is shamed in doing so, or a trap with teh guys not only his trophy wife but also his cahnces of getting a new trophy wife, since his ex rape him during divorce
 

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it always was, again diference from a prostitute to a normal woman is, the prostitute is cheaper, men are know to saving woman from they financial pits, and know to make billionares into millionares, reason for marriages during the ages, the guy who have the better resources, would get the best looking and young ones, nothing of this is new, diference now is somewhere is shamed in doing so, or a trap with teh guys not only his trophy wife but also his cahnces of getting a new trophy wife, since his ex rape him during divorce
Yes, marriage these days, IMHO, is very dangerous for any person who plans to be something or someone in their lives. People used to build families, legacies and generations. Now, it's to pop out a few kids and just keep upgrading their lifestyles with new dudes. It's unreal how anyone doesn't understand the real risks and how life is so upside down nowadays.
 

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and know to make billionares into millionares
Or if you're Jeff Bezos, billionares into less billionares. LOL.
MacKenzie RAPED Jeff and bent him over backwards without the lube by getting $35 billion out of him.

Imagine how many sugar babies you could've had for $35billion????

 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Or if you're Jeff Bezos, billionares into less billionares. LOL.
MacKenzie RAPED Jeff and bent him over backwards without the lube by getting $35 billion out of him.

Imagine how many sugar babies you could've had for $35billion????

A MILLION sugar babies at $35,000 each.
 

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Or if you're Jeff Bezos, billionares into less billionares. LOL.
MacKenzie RAPED Jeff and bent him over backwards without the lube by getting $35 billion out of him.

Imagine how many sugar babies you could've had for $35billion????

Can we all agree that if Bezos were just Joe Schmo (let's say even, with a well-paid job on Wall Street like the one he had quit to found Amazon), he would be incel-tier?
 

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Can we all agree that if Bezos were just Joe Schmo (let's say even, with a well-paid job on Wall Street like the one he had quit to found Amazon), he would be incel-tier?
Probably yes, he doesnt have the look and even with all tha status he manages to behave and get treated like a beta.

Not denying at all his amazing business skills but we all know women requires a different set.
 

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Can we all agree that if Bezos were just Joe Schmo (let's say even, with a well-paid job on Wall Street like the one he had quit to found Amazon), he would be incel-tier?
Yes
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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