What’s the policy when under the influence? What the hell do I do?

[sazc]

I was very drunk but not blackout drunk. I do remember a good chunk of the details.

We discussed this, wrong answer

 

[nicksaiz65]

We discussed this, wrong answer

I mean the details were blurry hahaha

 

[nicksaiz65]

Meh, she's feeling like a slut and decided that avoiding the topic is the quickest way to move past it

Sounds reasonable. Incidentally, I saw her today walking around campus after I went to class. She smiled and said hi but kept it moving after that. So there's not much I can really do about this. I'm just gonna put the focus back on improving myself and fighting against life. I'm not gonna blow up her phone and beg like an AFC. I guess this friendship is over until she reaches out to me. Which is kinda sad, because we got along really well.

In the event that she doesn't ever reach back out to me, I still made out with and hooked up with a hot girl that I liked. So I suppose that's improvement... in a weird kind of way? Lol. I really need to talk to more women. If I'm being real with myself, I need more friends too. My friend groups are always so damn small.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Its prob this but some women will turn this into molestation. And dont txt anything that could be turn agaist you

That exact situation has happened to some of my closest friends because of jealous, crazy women. Luckily my buddies made it out unscathed. I haven't sent her a single text message that doesn't involve logistics. Other than attempting to call her, I haven't done anything.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I was very drunk but not blackout drunk. I do remember a good chunk of the details.

You are missing the point but whatever.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Okay guys: so we had the talk. She texted me and we met up outside. Not fun at all. Already, I can tell the vibe is extremely frigid and she’s not friendly with me at all like she used to be. She takes a huge step away from me, making sure to establish a bubble between us.

She’s deadly serious, and the gist of what she has to say is that she feels very disrespected and she thought that I saw her as more than just a body. She says she’s drank with other friends and she’s never had moves pulled on her like that, so it’s like wtf. She’s not that kind of person and so on. I tell her that I’m a bit hazy on the events too, and I think all I did was make out with her and give her a hickey, etc. I’m not trying to use her cause that’s not me, and so on. She says it’s totally ok(it’s not, the tone in her voice and body language) and then storms off.

So guys, I’m super confused. I essentially got cussed out without the cuss words. I always thought you were supposed to have fun and then make a move. Where’s the main issues here? Did I read her IOIs wrong and she was just being friendly? With all the touching and telling me I look good I thought she was flirting with me. She was sending mixed messages: she would only let me kiss her half the time. Is this just anti slut defense? I’ve liteally never seen her this Angry. Was I always in the friendzone to begin with? Am I just ugly and/or incompetent at game? Am I just too damn aggressive? Is it because I’m older than her and she looks up to me? I think another reason she’s mad is because she doesn’t remember any of it. I’m honestly starting to agree with the PUA sentiment(from Dr. Nerdlove): too drunk to drive, too drunk to give consent. I think another reason she’s mad is that she thinks that I only had an agenda. Which really sucks cause she told me that night that I’m one of her best friends. Maybe this Red Pill shyt really is toxic like people say? Idk.

So sex with her is out of the question at this point. Back to the drawing board with Cold Approaches. But I don’t want to lose our friendship either cause she’s honestly really cool peoples and I enjoy hanging out. I don’t even know how to begin salvaging that. It really hurts to have her treat me this coldly.
People always tell me to spin plates and make new friends but what if I don’t want to?

I really need to go back to the drawing board cause there’s so much shyt that I don’t know. Starting by reading every article on Dr. Nerdlove’s Blog so I can actually become a real human being. Secondly, I need to read, reread, and watch a bunch of Game resources. I really don’t understand shyt about game.

How can I 100% know that the girl wants to sleep with me so that this doesn’t happen again? My Chad friend was talking about “verifying pvssy.”

Even beyond hooking up with her, how can I recover this friendship? After that blowout I can’t sit with her in person, and I feel like any calls or texts will be ignored. What do I do? Can I just call her tonight and be honest with her and that I can see things from her perspective?

Thanks in advance SS Fam.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Ok and one more question. If “too drunk to drive, too drunk to consent” is indeed a thing. What about drunk hookups? I don’t understand. I was under the impression that drunk hookups happened all the time in college? What the hell am I gonna do when we’re super drunk and that HB 10/10 wants to have sex with me? In general, I’m not gonna use alcohol as a crutch. But still, what do I do when this situation arises?????

As a Don Juan, do I just need to be the bigger man here and say no?

 

[Billtx49]

She’s deadly serious, and the gist of what she has to say is that she feels very disrespected

She says she’s drank with other friends and she’s never had moves pulled on her like thatshe would only let me kiss her half the time.

Even beyond hooking up with her, how can I recover this friendship?

You’re too horny

You’re too horny

Probably not…

 

[nicksaiz65]

You’re too horny

You’re too horny

Probably not…

You’re right. I know exactly where it’s coming from too. The idea of “I’ll show these b*stards that I know how to get all the women no matter what it takes.” That’s a pretty toxic mindset when I think about it. Probably doesn’t help that I’m on The Red Pill a lot. Maybe it is toxic like people say? I guess I need to chill out. When you think about it, I guess that would be considered an agenda.

I really really don’t want to lose this friendship. We were super cool. But I literally don’t know what to do. Do I call her tonight and tell her I understand how she feels? I feel like she’ll just ignore me. But honestly this really hurts cause she was a really cool friend

Sorry about the rant, I try not to let my emotions out like this usually

 

[Billtx49]

You’re right. I know exactly where it’s coming from too. The idea of “I’ll show these b*stards that I know how to get all the women no matter what it takes.” That’s a pretty toxic mindset when I think about it. Probably doesn’t help that I’m on The Red Pill a lot. Maybe it is toxic like people say? I guess I need to chill out. When you think about it, I guess that would be considered an agenda.

I really really don’t want to lose this friendship. We were super cool. But I literally don’t know what to do. Do I call her tonight and tell her I understand how she feels? I feel like she’ll just ignore me. But honestly this really hurts cause she was a really cool friend

Sorry about the rant, I try not to let my emotions out like this usually

Realize that you made a mistake. We all do sometimes.
Refine your game for the next girl, and don’t make the move if you’re both wasted…

 

[nicksaiz65]

Realize that you made a mistake. We all do sometimes.
Refine your game for the next girl, and don’t make the move if you’re both wasted…

Yeah... I honestly thought she was attracted to me but I guess I was wrong? I was so confused because when she was sober she let me kiss her the first time. I guess I went too far too fast with this one. How is it that I’ve read lots of books on Game yet I still make so many mistakes?

I guess I’ll just have to keep learning about Game and Life.

You think I should call her tonight though? I can see how she feels like I took advantage of her.

I wanna talk to someone about this but I don’t wanna open up and talk about my failures that made me so angry all the time. Idk what to do

 

[nicksaiz65]

And now I’m super conflicted about the drunk hookups thing. One one hand, one part of me is saying “Don’t be a Blue Pilled Cuck, fvck her for the culture.” But the other part of me is saying “If she can’t drive, she can’t consent.”

Crazy how this is making me question my whole ideaology... this should be an interesting thread. I’d love to hear what you guys think because I feel 100% lost right now.

 

[Billtx49]

Yeah... I honestly thought she was attracted to me but I guess I was wrong? I was so confused because when she was sober she let me kiss her the first time. I guess I went too far too fast with this one. How is it that I’ve read lots of books on Game yet I still make so many mistakes?

I guess I’ll just have to keep learning about Game and Life.

You think I should call her tonight though? I can see how she feels like I took advantage of her.

I wanna talk to someone about this but I don’t wanna open up and talk about my failures that made me so angry all the time. Idk what to do

Realize that you were probably too aggressive and read her IOI’s wrong…

 

[nicksaiz65]

Realize that you were probably too aggressive and read her IOI’s wrong…

Y’know, I think if I hadn’t tried to hook up with her drunk this wouldn’t have been an issue. Because had we been sober, and she weren’t interested in me that way, I would’ve gotten rejected enough that my Two Strikes Rule would’ve come into play. Then I would’ve taken the hint and not come on that strongly, plus taken the hint from the IOIs.

But then that raises the question of what do I do if I’m crazy drunk at a party and some HB wants to have sex with me. Do I do it or will I be putting myself into this situation again? I don’t even know...

 

[nicksaiz65]

I just wanna call her and explain all this and apologize but it’s like talking to a brick wall cause she’s so shielded with anger... and plus I feel like my call would be ignored

 

[nicksaiz65]

You know, these’d all be good questions to ask Dr. Nerdlove when I eventually get that Skype Coaching Session. I’ll update some of the answers in here too so that you all can get value from them.

 

[sazc]

Forget the friendship. A friend wouldn't get **** faced and then blame you because she wanted to have a good time.

 

[sazc]

You could always just say "I'm sorry that you are upset. I guess we were both really intoxicated because my recollection is hazy. What I do know is that I respect and care about you and would never take any kind of advantage of you"

 

[sazc]

If you say anything, say that you respect and care for her and would never do anything to disrespect her

She's going to come back with "you took advantage of me when I was intoxicated"

And that's when you reply "here's the thing, that night is hazy for me too but I'm sure we were both interested"

Then drop it

In order to protect yourself you have to remain hazy and communicate that everything was consensual.

B1tch

 

[nicksaiz65]

If you say anything, say that you respect and care for her and would never do anything to disrespect her

She's going to come back with "you took advantage of me when I was intoxicated"

And that's when you reply "here's the thing, that night is hazy for me too but I'm sure we were both interested"

Then drop it

In order to protect yourself you have to remain hazy and communicate that everything was consensual.

B1tch

That’s great advice. Assuming she actually lets me call her I’ll do that.

Then there’s the whole issue of what do I do about hooking up with drunk girls in general... definitely going to talk about that on this conference call with Dr. Nerdlove