"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Most posters here have tried to help him for a while. I was naive as well and thought he'd be a don juan in no time. He just needed to work on a couple of little aspects and he'd be great. No progress has been made though.

For months, I've come to the realization that he is either a dedicated troll (because like Richard, he stays very loyal to his gimmick and that's what sets them apart) or someone with severe mental issues who won't do a thing about it. Either way, it's pointless to keep giving him attention on his threads because he's gonna ignore all of it.
Agree . He literally just had to start fvcking some of the ladies he turns his nose down to and treat them better his game wouldve exploded.
 

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No amount of diet is going to give you that "look". You either have it or you don't, it's determined at birth.

I think you obsess too much over looks bro. The guy in the picture is obviously handsome but you don't have to look like that to get ass. Believe it or not not all women would find him attractive, which makes worrying about your looks a waste of time.
 

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No amount of diet is going to give you that "look". You either have it or you don't, it's determined at birth.

I think you obsess too much over looks bro. The guy in the picture is obviously handsome but you don't have to look like that to get ass. Believe it or not not all women would find him attractive, which makes worrying about your looks a waste of time.
He looks good enough to fvck ethnics in Chicago. Chasing snobs when he has no pvssy is plain dumb. Maybe he is a troll.

We gave real world advice which will turn his situation around and he stays on this fantasy.
 

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He looks good enough to fvck ethnics in Chicago. Chasing snobs when he has no pvssy is plain dumb. Maybe he is a troll.

We gave real world advice which will turn his situation around and he stays on this fantasy.
Oh i've never seen his pic so I don't know.
I think he is a troll because he makes the same posts all the time and claims he is in the elite category. If a person is in the elite category they would not have to ask advice from sosuave lol. Why someone would waste their time trolling about this stuff is the real question,,, so sad.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I suspect he’s a troll. The dude keeps beating the same drum after folks have given him sound advice.
 

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troll or not, he has issues
 

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No amount of diet is going to give you that "look". You either have it or you don't, it's determined at birth.
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If that guy gained 20 lbs, he wouldn't have that look in the face anymore, not by a long shot

There is a reason all male models are like 9% BF...because at 8 or 9%, the face looks very angular and handsome. This is assuming you have a good jawline with high cheekbones and a good chin. I have a fantastic jawline with very masculine facial features. If you have fine features with a "long face", being lean looks horrible



from chubby to lean





 

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Lol, that guy also changed from a polo shirt to a tank top, grew facial hair, put in ear rings, got a new hairstyle, put on a necklace, and took his glasses off. How is that supposed to be a fair comparison? It's worse than most female before/after pictures I've seen.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I'm around 13% bodyfat right now...I very badly need to get down to 8 or 9% body fat. I actually have that classic facial structure for the chiseled jawline (wide jaw, strong low chin, high cheekbones) and my face already looks very masculine at 13% bodyfat, but at 8% BF, I would have that classic male model sunken cheeks look

I'm talking about this look






My plan to get there is I'm going to do the protein sparing modified fast diet...which is a very low calorie, super high protein, high fiber diet that will get you shredded in no time. I need to lose 15 lbs in a month


After that point, I will get professional photos done and just hammer online dating. I figure the percentage of women who fit my requirements is maybe 2-3% of women online so if I do match, eharmony, okcupid and every other site...I can maybe find 300 or 400 women who fit my requirements. Out of that, surely a couple would be willing to go out on a date with me no? Once I get a date, I should be good


I'm going to keep trying to work on myself in real life but real life dating is so hard because I'm so ultra picky that the vast majority of women don't fit my wants and the most who do aren't going to be single anyways or they're in a situation where approaching is extremely difficult but I will continue to try to improve myself and be more confident and be more genuine around women. I think women have a great bull**** detector and they can tell when you're not being natural/genuine around them
You remind me a friend of mine . He speaks exactly the same way . Actually i feel like it’s him writing this thread .
Guess what ? He lives in a city where thousand of female students are more than thirsty for the D and he has never gone out and knows nobody . Why ? Because his ego is too big to accept a possible rejection and he’s the biggest ***** around because he has no guts to meet and talk with new people and create a social circle.

You are the same dude .
 

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Lol, that guy also changed from a polo shirt to a tank top, grew facial hair, put in ear rings, got a new hairstyle, put on a necklace, and took his glasses off. How is that supposed to be a fair comparison? It's worse than most female before/after pictures I've seen.

look at the difference in facial structure

he had a chubby face before and now has that male model chiseled look in the face because he got very lean
 

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If that guy gained 20 lbs, he wouldn't have that look in the face anymore, not by a long shot

There is a reason all male models are like 9% BF...because at 8 or 9%, the face looks very angular and handsome. This is assuming you have a good jawline with high cheekbones and a good chin. I have a fantastic jawline with very masculine facial features. If you have fine features with a "long face", being lean looks horrible



from chubby to lean





lol the face is pretty much the same. The only difference is he got a better haircut, ditched the glasses and probably went on a couple of cycles of testosterone.
 

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Terrible compare. First picture isn’t focused, partly blurry. Hair is matted and otherwise plain. Lighting is non-existent. Looks like the guy wasn’t even aware of the picture being taken.
 

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Folks are going to say that because the incel crowd says it that it's BS, but it doesn't matter how good the body is if the fundamental bone structure is just not quite right. I'd have to see your face to see if you have already hit your maximum.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Folks are going to say that because the incel crowd says it that it's BS, but it doesn't matter how good the body is if the fundamental bone structure is just not quite right. I'd have to see your face to see if you have already hit your maximum.
getting lean and muscular helps the face tremendously

a thick neck helps your face look way more masculine
lower bodyfat is huge for getting a very prominent jawline/chin
 

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No offense Dave but sometimes I just think you're a troll. If not lower you standards.
 

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Most posters here have tried to help him for a while. I was naive as well and thought he'd be a don juan in no time. He just needed to work on a couple of little aspects and he'd be great. No progress has been made though.

For months, I've come to the realization that he is either a dedicated troll (because like Richard, he stays very loyal to his gimmick and that's what sets them apart) or someone with severe mental issues who won't do a thing about it. Either way, it's pointless to keep giving him attention on his threads because he's gonna ignore all of it.
What if they're both just Salty feminists? What kind of man would troll a site like this to that extent? It doesn't make sense.
 

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What if they're both just Salty feminists? What kind of man would troll a site like this to that extent? It doesn't make sense.
You know what. That make sense . Maybe she wanted men to obsess on their looks like women.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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