Will a woman that leaves her partner for you necessarily do the same to you?

[mrgoodstuff]

It's funny how bad the relationship can seem once you find a better prospect

I noticed that too. It's like walking thru a different door.

 

[Young OG]

Yes, they will. My kids mom did this. She left a guy for me and eventually left me for another guy (this was before my SS days). Then she had a kid with him and tried to branch swing back to me years later. I cut that branch down with a chainsaw and laughed.

All women do this in some way or form. They always have a new guy or guys lined up.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yes, they will. My kids mom did this. She left a guy for me and eventually left me for another guy (this was before my SS days). Then she had a kid with him and tried to branch swing back to me years later. I cut that branch down with a chainsaw and laughed.

All women do this in some way or form. They always have a new guy or guys lined up.

You did your part in educating her.

 

[greatsnake]

The odds are against you

 

[Billtx49]

Past behavior is the best predictor, if she did it before, the odds are 99.9% she’ll do it again…

 

[mrgoodstuff]

It's her pattern and her comfort zone to act like this .

 

[MatureDJ]

In this case, past performance DOES correlate to future performance.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Naw. Women just go for the best male for her in that situation. If you keep her interest level high, she ain't goin' no where. Don't feel bad for robbing her from another dude; she was psychologically done with him before she even met you.

 

[ohrein]

Interesting mix of replies here, none of which I read and thought there's no truth in there.

I have been re-reading The Rational Male and I think the answer is not binary, it's situational. For example, a woman might be monkey branching a lot because she ends up dating a lot of betas for whatever reason. Maybe once she finds an alpha, her hypergamy will be satisfied. Most of us have been with a woman and seen what satisfied hypergamy looks like. It's high interest and high sexual arousal. The woman who moves mountains to be next to you.

That said, there's another form of monkey branching I've seen, which although still being driven by hypergamy, is enabled by avoidant character traits. Rollo talks about this in TRM. Just as a man can repress his sexual strategy (fvck everything hot) in a relationship, a woman can repress her sexuality (pluralism, alpha fvcks/beta bucks) even in sub-optimal conditions. If a woman is psychological damaged, she can actually sabotage her own hypergamy with avoidant behaviors. This, like most things red pill, is multi-variate. Cheating is hypergamy being enabled by low impulse control and poor morals, as another example.

The fundamental principle, hypergamy, doesn't change. But the other variables do. So, will a woman who monkey branches to you monkey branch to someone else? I think a woman who hasn't monkey branched to you could monkey branch to someone else because there is no escaping hypergamy. Will a woman who monkey branched to you on a whim while cheating on her boyfriend do the same to you? Psychological studies say, very likely. 350% more likely in fact. But that is reflective of character and hypergamy together. If she just monkey branches from a relationship in which her hypergamy is not being satisfied to one in which it is, but does so within moral boundaries and not impulsively, and you are high enough SMV to satisfy her hypergamy, then she may not.

The higher your perceived SMV, the lower the chance of monkey branching. But, remember there are more variables such as impulse control, morals and situation. There is always a chance a woman will monkey branch but the degree to which that is likely is the result of other factors such as her character and your SMV. So plan accordingly.

 

[soulforge]

I never say never but, IMO, people don't change. That's why screening is so important.

When we have established a level of comfort, I like to ask my potentials what caused their last breakup.

What I have learned is...

If they explain it to me and place zero accountability/responsibility on their own shoulders (i.e. it's all the other person's fault) then this is a person that doesn't learn from there life or mistakes, and WILL be repeating them, probably with me.

As well, the reason for the breakup, the one they hold their partner totally accountable for, usually rears it's ugly head eventually with the person you are taking to (because there was no growth)

Listen for someone to explain why their last relationship failed and, if they blame the other person entirely, ask them what role they played in the scenario.
If their reply is defensive, red flag. There's no growth there. II don't do "plates" but you men should consider these women as plates in the moment, and screen hard.
If their reply is thoughtful and places some level of accountability on themselves, this is a very good sign. Still screen but she might have some good potential.

Sazc is 100% spot on with this..

Every chick I ever met, who completely blamed her Ex for the breakdown of the relationship, eventually turned out to be a toxic, selfish CRAZY bich!!

I mean seriously, when a relationship falls apart.. In most cases the woman also played some role in the demise of it.. if she entirely blames the guy, then you know this woman learns Nothing and just moves onto the next poor guy!!

 

[Roober]

Once a cheater, always a cheater....

Hasn't steered me wrong yet

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Like, does this happen all the time? What are you experiences with this? I am curious.

So, a woman with proven hypergamy leaves a man for you and you want to question what will happen?

In the world of red pill awareness, the common theme is, she's not your girl. It's just your turn.

Hit it. If you get feelers, you are setting yourself up for cuck of the year award.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Omfg, "cuck of the year award"

 

[Poonani Maker]

This is true for all women. I will caveat this by saying, in addition, that if she believes you are the best she can do she will stay. However, if she has the opportunity to monkey branch to a better dude, then she will. So it's not just about you meeting her needs, it's about who BEST can meet her needs.

The problem is "what is 'better dude?'" More money? better looking? more charisma? more character? more social clout? manlier?

I see girls look to me as "better dude," girls 15-20 years younger, but I see ALL the guys who she entertains the thought of getting with her in the near future maybe possibly. She shows me ALL the guys messaging her, I mean military base guys (Marines, Army, Air Force). She's going to a town 120 miles away for the next week to see one (two? three? six?) of them (to see what they're like, I guess). Her Main bf is overseas waiting on her and "she claims" sends her money to ship stuff to him (and money just for her to use I'd imagine). She's playing All these dumbass military jake-legs. It's kinda sad, sad that she even Shows me all this messaging, Facebook, dating apps the whole gamut. It's sad. I've seen her blow through 4 of my co-workers (younger than me dudes) and they have nothing but bad to say about her now, yet she still shows me their social media (even though I don't ask to see it! I don't care).

But young girls like this are so Easy to talk to cause, basically, you can just say ANYTHING (and they'll somewhat or at least pretend to love you). She's from a trailer park originally. Getting fatter by the day, just 1-2 months ago at 19 yrs old she was thin. I tell her about getting my gun permit in 2009 and she says, "I was only 10!" I'm like, "Really, you can count..." She can dig into the psyche of Most guys (to make them wanna fvck her). She still hasn't cracked mine. She still feels NO sexual urges emanating from me. I have been with sooooooo many women (way better than her, some worse than her), that I can be completely shut off with her, while other guys her age, can't. I can tell she's trying to change my mind and it frustrates her to no end that I'd have no feeling for her. She knows very well that I am NOT gay, because her gay male friend I let know in front of her that I don't particularly care for gays. Then I backtracked and lied about putting a gay relative in my will. It was so obvious I didn't like gays given my backtracking to him and her. I told them that I come from a different time, that gay marriage wasn't even thought of during my upbringing.

A lot of times I find my demeanor towards her as "get away from me, idiot." She tried to tell me the significance of her shoulder tattoo today, and she knows I don't like tattoos. She'll die her hair a different color and then when I say I prefer your natural blonde she'll change it back. I'll tell her that the town she's going to over the next week is not a very desirable place to be, and she says Oh, I'm really going to a town 20 miles away from that. She tell me about her dad all the time says he owns 4 businesses yet she grew up in a trailer park, ok. She's making minimum wage.

 

[RangerMIke]

The problem is "what is 'better dude?'" More money? better looking? more charisma? more character? more social clout? manlier?

Depends on the chick. All women are the same, they all respond to the same male strength characteristics. They are all attracted to looks, status, and money.... but depending on where the chick is in her life, one of those three things might be more important. You can have Brad Pitt looks, but if a chick is three times more influenced by money... you will lose out to a rich guy even if he is bald and fat.

You can drive up the interest of most normal chicks by going after what you want, using self control, and acting like you want her but don't need her.

 

[Spaz]

Another spin on this situation....

I view people who stay in less than stellar relationships as weak. Why do you need the assurance of another warm body before you will find your self esteem and end a relationship that isn't fulfilling?

That's not the type of person I can respect.

This is gold.

I find many men will endure relationships even when deep down they know it's not right and should end it.

 

[Reykhel]

This is exactly what I come for in this forum. Thank you, Sir. I just gained perspective.

Bull****e. His comment completely agreed with the premise of your last bull**** thread. There was no perspective gained from
that comment. Probably a stroking of the ego.

One of the most dishonest posters here.

could be an ethnic thing.

If he's pulled a woman from another guy and is with her now: (the op) he knows that it won't last because she'll eventually get bored of his complaining and toxic energy. Then he will immediately blame it on the woman because "didn't she leave the other guy for me" thus taking no responsibility for 1) the maintaining of any relationship/dating/attraction 2)the eventual downfall of said relationship/dating/attraction.

Therefor he has a ready built in excuse to blame everything on women and he can remain in his state of stoned inertia.

No growth or improvement.