"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
High Value men of improvement: bars and coffee shops
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Chev.Chelios
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that's literally how naturals live, first hand observations, lawl.
taiyuu_otoko
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You could also say its just cartoon character coping.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
High value men of improvement have a vast range of places they go. They dont choose to spend their lives getting high in bars or hanging out in coffee shops as their "go to" to meet women.
Vast ranges of places>>>>bars and coffee shops.
EyeBRollin
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Not necessarily. My point was that where they go for dates is not what gives them value. The fact that a guy goes to a coffee shop or a bar does not necessarily make him low value. The fact that a guy takes a girl to some action date doesn't necessarily make him high value. It could very well be the opposite, the low value guy taking them on unique dates to try to impress (compensate for his lack of value).
I think coffee shops are great places for a date, they're practical in every way. If you don't like her you've wasted minimal amount of money and time, because such dates are short and cheap. It being short is also great if you like her, because there's time to go somewhere else afterwards. You are not locked to doing the coffee date and leave afterwards, you can combine it with other activities.
A date isn't about the location, it's about the interaction. That said, the worst place for a date is at a cinema, not much opportunity for interaction.
It looks like you're falling into the trap of trying to impress with unique date ideas. Although there's nothing wrong with doing original dates, there may be something wrong about the motivation to do it. You must ask yourself if you do it because you think she will like you more for it or if you do it because YOU want to do it. The former is not something that would motivate a high value guy.
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“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
You could see it that way yet if your go to spots to meet all of these X number of new women are just coffee shops and bars then all you are doing is living life around coffee shops and bars.
People who live in bars are run of the mill bar flies.
People who spend most of their time in coffee shops are booring.
People who go to different spots expand their horizons and arent tied to specific meeting places cuz "women".
But if sitting in bars and coffee shops every week is your thing because youre "high value". Have at it.
guru1000
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When I go to a oyster bar, they pay me to try their oysters--just because ...
That day that I flaked on you in the oyster bar in midtown NYC at 8 p.m., when you sat alone eating oysters on that lonely Saturday night awaiting Guru1000 who never showed ... if they made you pay the bill, they determined you were low value. Sorry pal.
Still not as low value as an ex-con that spends his life 24/7/365 on an anonymous forum posting fan fiction for men and threatening to sue random ip addresses because the Shekelsteins didnt give their unemployable son his weekly allowance.
EMBARRASSING.
guru1000
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
guru1000
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Richard you couldnt attract hot girls in a wh0rehouse with fistfuls of $50s.
Nobody fvcks hot girls in their life according to you Richie. Your projecting and pathetic attempts at coping is knee slapping hilarious. Keep up the special olympics mental gymnastics lil guy. Lmao
Getting hearty lolz at Jewru1000 the oversized clown shoe isn't hatred son. Its simply using ponzi to serve as downtime entertainment.
@guru1000 represents the PUA snake oil conman selling a PUA playboy/rich man in the big city "brand" because he doesn't want to/can no longer get a real job. Basically the Wizard of Oz man behind a curtain putting forth a hologram image of himself and half you goofballs eat it up.
@RichardTheFrog represents the mentally damaged, hyper-sensitive MGTOW who is neck deep in coping mechanisms, begging for help on the daily while telling you hundreds of times that he can get laid "if he really wanted to" but "chooses not to" because it's "not worth it". Mental gymnastics to place himself in the position of decider.
All we're missing is the MRA "activist" calling himself a CEO or "founder" of an organization that get will get 0 laws changed, but you can donate to his Patreon anyway
RichardTheFrog
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Except that I do.
Btw, not that I really care, but who the fvck are you?
Did you just join recently and now think that you know me? I'm just going to block you because you're an idiot.
Priceless.
Richie you ask questions and block the poster you're asking the questions to all in one reply, because YOU are an idiot.
Lay off huffing spray paint son.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.