"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Am I getting mixed signals or reading too much into it?

ikonik

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So I was volunteering for this girl who I was really into. I didn't know she had a bf until a few months after I knew her. They live together but she said they're on and off for 3 yrs. I never really see him around at her events, only a couple random times.

Once, before I knew she had a bf, I told her half jokingly I should be the only one she looks at. There was some physical interaction a few times after that, but I think it was borderline flirting. A while after that we were both scheduled to speak at the same meeting so I asked if she wanted to get coffee after, she wanted food since she hadn't eaten all day so that's fine with me. That's when she said she had a bf, but the way she said it, she seemed like she wasn't very interested in talking about him or revealing she was in a relationship. Immediately after she asked about me.

After that meeting I pretty much went no contact on her for six months. About a week ago she called me out of the blue to catch up. Initially I didn't answer, but I called back two hrs later so not to seem desperate. She didn't answer. Three days later she texts me that she missed my call and to let her know when a good time to catch up is. I said I'd be at one of her events a few days later and we could catch up there if she had a chance. There were too many people around then to talk one on one but we did talk. So we finally scheduled a call a few days after that, late at night and we talked for almost an hour till almost midnight.

The next day I invited her to an event with a few friends but it fell through because she had an event at the same time. I told her I'd be there instead (my event also fell through), she sent a heart reaction to that text. At the event she came up to me and said hey, later at the end of the event she came up to me again locking eyes and thanked me again for coming. We chatted for a few minutes, I made her laugh, and I suggested we should catch up for real and not some random call. She seemed interested but that she's just been crazy busy. She thanked me again for coming.

So I'm wondering, is she sending me mixed signals and interested? Or am I just reading way too much into this?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Lose the scarcity mindset.

#1 problem among beta males is a scarcity mindset and fear of bitches.
 

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She's a h0e . Why are you writing paragraphs about her? She needs to be writing them about you. Drag her or drop her . But she don't deserve a high level of interest from you. Why are you interested in a bytch whose not enthusiastic about you?
 

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They live together but she said they're on and off for 3 yrs.

About a week ago she called me out of the blue to catch up.

So we finally scheduled a call a few days after that, late at night and we talked for almost an hour till almost midnight.
She iniated a contact.

If they still live together and she’s willing to talk that late at night for an hour, probably after he’s asleep, she’s likely dtf, cheat, or personally move on…
It’s your job to find out If she’s now single or not and what’s what.
Either way, it was not a mixed signal.
 
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She iniated a contact.

If they still live together and she’s willing to talk that late at night for an hour, probably after he’s asleep, she’s likely dtf, cheat, or personally move on…
It’s your job to find out If she’s now single or not and what’s what.
Either way, it was not a mixed signal.
True, does it make a difference if when she first called it was in the afternoon? But when we actually spoke it was later in the night..
 

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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

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True, does it make a difference if when she first called it was in the afternoon? But when we actually spoke it was later in the night..
It’s your job to find out if it’s her personal desires or business matters. If she initiated contact, she wants something from you… Afternoons as you know are usually business hours if that helps you. Beyond that, no one on this forum can read her mind.
 
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It’s your job to find out if it’s her personal desires or business matters. If she initiated contact, she wants something from you… Afternoons as you know are usually business hours if that helps you. Beyond that, no one on this forum can read her mind.
Well it was more like evening when she first called if that makes a difference.
 

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She's a h0e . Why are you writing paragraphs about her? She needs to be writing them about you. Drag her or drop her . But she don't deserve a high level of interest from you. Why are you interested in a bytch whose not enthusiastic about you?
I was just trying to provide context.
 

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Well it was more like evening when she first called if that makes a difference.
Well, if she’s thinking about you after work hours don’t you think that a positive signal?
 

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I was just trying to provide context.
We were saying long contrived responses even if you are providing context show that were thinking about her too much and analyzing too many fine details. When we do that we are bowing down to them in the power aspect.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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We were saying long contrived responses even if you are providing context show that were thinking about her too much and analyzing too many fine details. When we do that we are bowing down to them in the power aspect.
Yea that's a good point, I need to work on that.
 

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Well, if she’s thinking about you after work hours don’t you think that a positive signal?
Yea, and a volunteer friend also texted me almost minutes after she called, does that make a difference?
 

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Yea, and a volunteer friend also texted me almost minutes after she called, does that make a difference?
You’re sensing some degree of out of the norm movement here. It’s Your job to find out what it is…
 

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You’re sensing some degree of out of the norm movement here. It’s Your job to find out what it is…
I genuinely don't really know what you're getting at but my sensing of it being out of the norm is that they would both call me at the same time, meaning it wouldn't have been a genuine interest on her part of me. But it was.
 

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You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

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I genuinely don't really know what you're getting at but my sensing of it being out of the norm is that they would both call me at the same time, meaning it wouldn't have been a genuine interest on her part of me. But it was.
Assuming the orher caller was her female friend, they night want a threesome.… Or,, one is helping the other to get through to your conscienceness….
Btw, you want advice, give all the facts first.
 

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Assuming the orher caller was her female friend, they night want a threesome.… Or,, one is helping the other to get through to your conscienceness…
Haha it was a guy friend. You're right, should've given all facts. It just slipped my mind.
 

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So I was volunteering for this girl who I was really into. I didn't know she had a bf until a few months after I knew her. They live together but she said they're on and off for 3 yrs. I never really see him around at her events, only a couple random times.

Once, before I knew she had a bf, I told her half jokingly I should be the only one she looks at. There was some physical interaction a few times after that, but I think it was borderline flirting. A while after that we were both scheduled to speak at the same meeting so I asked if she wanted to get coffee after, she wanted food since she hadn't eaten all day so that's fine with me. That's when she said she had a bf, but the way she said it, she seemed like she wasn't very interested in talking about him or revealing she was in a relationship. Immediately after she asked about me.

After that meeting I pretty much went no contact on her for six months. About a week ago she called me out of the blue to catch up. Initially I didn't answer, but I called back two hrs later so not to seem desperate. She didn't answer. Three days later she texts me that she missed my call and to let her know when a good time to catch up is. I said I'd be at one of her events a few days later and we could catch up there if she had a chance. There were too many people around then to talk one on one but we did talk. So we finally scheduled a call a few days after that, late at night and we talked for almost an hour till almost midnight.

The next day I invited her to an event with a few friends but it fell through because she had an event at the same time. I told her I'd be there instead (my event also fell through), she sent a heart reaction to that text. At the event she came up to me and said hey, later at the end of the event she came up to me again locking eyes and thanked me again for coming. We chatted for a few minutes, I made her laugh, and I suggested we should catch up for real and not some random call. She seemed interested but that she's just been crazy busy. She thanked me again for coming.

So I'm wondering, is she sending me mixed signals and interested? Or am I just reading way too much into this?

Interested women dont send mixed signals.

On top of that you havent done anything that forces her into action so you are gonna sit here and wonder about it indefinitely until you do.

Ask her out on a date and stop this "friend" sh!t you are doing with her. You'll have your answer. Stop wasting time.
 

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Interested women dont send mixed signals.

On top of that you havent done anything that forces her into action so you are gonna sit here and wonder about it indefinitely until you do.

Ask her out on a date and stop this "friend" sh!t you are doing with her. You'll have your answer. Stop wasting time.
I asked her to catch up over drinks earlier this week, still no response, idk if that counts. It once took her five days to respond though.
 

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I asked her to catch up over drinks earlier this week, still no response, idk if that counts. It once took her five days to respond though.
Thats your answer. No interest. Work on finding women who are interested and stop wasting time to trying to raise the interest pf uninterested women. Its a futile effort that amounts to an enormous waste of time with little to no results.

Guys this isn't hard. If the women isnt making it easy for you to keep progressing then she isn't as interested as she needs to be.
 

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