Roober
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This is long... but was an interesting experience I had on social media. This was over a week ago, and women continue to chime in and add their two cents as I still get updates. I would be lieing if it said it didn't bug me a little bit at first, but I also understand that once they labeled me, it was over...
And for the record, they never truly answered any of my questions, nor did I even get to display the points I was trying to make. The original post was about empowering women, encouraging men to empower women, etc etc. The original post also mentioned how she thought it was crazy that a friend of hers knew nothing of feminism and is "totally not a feminist". My response is to that comment... Girl 1 is the original poster...
Me: Feminism has negative connotations because of the people who are generally regarded as feminists represent a radical approach, not really the equality agenda.
Girl 1: Those people are radicals, not feminists. Anyone who believes that those people are feminists is a moron.
Me: I agree completely. But unfortunately, many of those radicals are associated with feminism. It's similar to the extremes that are used to illustrate support for feminism. Look at Girl 3's post (a post of a woman with facial scars from marital abuse). It has nothing to do with equal rights, but it a story meant to invoke an emotional response. It has only to do with an abusive man, that is it. That is an extreme, not the norm.
Girl 3: I don’t know you but you’re welcome to bite me.
Girl 1: You’re clearly missing the point. That’s unfortunate. My post is about inclusion and equality. It’s not up for debate.
Guy 1: itmay not be the norm, but unfortunately is more common than you obviously think it is.
Me: And everyone should be included. Where is equality missing? Here are facts, young men commit suicide at 4 times the rate of women. On average, women in their 30s make more than men. Equality must go between both genders. Wanting equality won't stop the pathetic excuse for a man for abusing a woman, would you agree on that? Man1, I said it is the extreme, I did not suggest the degree of how common it is as you suggested.
ME: I am also curious how they are treated as second class citizens? I am not trying to be facetious either, just curious on your point of view. =D
Girl 1: I’m assuming that you are joking.
Girl 2: Wow, just wow! Somewhere there’s a rock missing it’s person.
Girl 3: you should spell it out for him. He doesn’t understand things very well.
Girl 1: Eh, what’s the point? You either get it or you don’t. Ya know? It’s not our job to save someone from their own ignorance.
Me: I ask a simple question, about how are women treated as second class citizens and a slew of insults is thrown at me. Has it impaired your education? work? personal life? I am legitimately curious as to why each of you believe this is true. Does that make me "ignorant", "not understanding", or whatever insult Girl 2 stated? Not at all. I would love to understand more.
Girl 1: Roober, first of all, YES it has impaired every woman in all of those ways. Secondly, male suicide has nothing to do with this topic, so I’m not sure why it was brought up. Thirdly, I’m certain your statement about women in their 30’s making more than men is categorically false. Tell that to any nation where women aren’t allowed to work solely based on the fact that they are women. In fact, tell that to any nation where women aren’t allowed an educated solely based on the fact that they are female. Instead of being in school, many girls are sold as property into “marriages” where all they will know is rape and fear. They will never have the opportunity to be educated or work outside of the home. I could go on, but there isn’t enough time in the day to provide you with examples of how women are treated as second class citizens. If you’d really like to educate yourself about this, it would be highly beneficial to research the subject on your own.
*This is where I realized the how naive this woman is, and her basis for feminism, personal experience and likely the media, not actual research
Girl 2: Ignorance comes in all forms. He wants to be educated or comes across as “curious” but then chooses not to listen or understand. Will be interesting to see what the next response is...until then, keep up the good fight.
The remainder of the dialogue is them patting each other on the back, like they educated me in some way. They also threw out more insults and passed judgement on the reason of my failed marriage.
This mindset of taking what you hear, developing opinions, and following the majority is the exact thing that created racism and mistreatment of women...
And for the record, they never truly answered any of my questions, nor did I even get to display the points I was trying to make. The original post was about empowering women, encouraging men to empower women, etc etc. The original post also mentioned how she thought it was crazy that a friend of hers knew nothing of feminism and is "totally not a feminist". My response is to that comment... Girl 1 is the original poster...
Me: Feminism has negative connotations because of the people who are generally regarded as feminists represent a radical approach, not really the equality agenda.
Girl 1: Those people are radicals, not feminists. Anyone who believes that those people are feminists is a moron.
Me: I agree completely. But unfortunately, many of those radicals are associated with feminism. It's similar to the extremes that are used to illustrate support for feminism. Look at Girl 3's post (a post of a woman with facial scars from marital abuse). It has nothing to do with equal rights, but it a story meant to invoke an emotional response. It has only to do with an abusive man, that is it. That is an extreme, not the norm.
Girl 3: I don’t know you but you’re welcome to bite me.
Girl 1: You’re clearly missing the point. That’s unfortunate. My post is about inclusion and equality. It’s not up for debate.
Guy 1: itmay not be the norm, but unfortunately is more common than you obviously think it is.
Me: And everyone should be included. Where is equality missing? Here are facts, young men commit suicide at 4 times the rate of women. On average, women in their 30s make more than men. Equality must go between both genders. Wanting equality won't stop the pathetic excuse for a man for abusing a woman, would you agree on that? Man1, I said it is the extreme, I did not suggest the degree of how common it is as you suggested.
ME: I am also curious how they are treated as second class citizens? I am not trying to be facetious either, just curious on your point of view. =D
Girl 1: I’m assuming that you are joking.
Girl 2: Wow, just wow! Somewhere there’s a rock missing it’s person.
Girl 3: you should spell it out for him. He doesn’t understand things very well.
Girl 1: Eh, what’s the point? You either get it or you don’t. Ya know? It’s not our job to save someone from their own ignorance.
Me: I ask a simple question, about how are women treated as second class citizens and a slew of insults is thrown at me. Has it impaired your education? work? personal life? I am legitimately curious as to why each of you believe this is true. Does that make me "ignorant", "not understanding", or whatever insult Girl 2 stated? Not at all. I would love to understand more.
Girl 1: Roober, first of all, YES it has impaired every woman in all of those ways. Secondly, male suicide has nothing to do with this topic, so I’m not sure why it was brought up. Thirdly, I’m certain your statement about women in their 30’s making more than men is categorically false. Tell that to any nation where women aren’t allowed to work solely based on the fact that they are women. In fact, tell that to any nation where women aren’t allowed an educated solely based on the fact that they are female. Instead of being in school, many girls are sold as property into “marriages” where all they will know is rape and fear. They will never have the opportunity to be educated or work outside of the home. I could go on, but there isn’t enough time in the day to provide you with examples of how women are treated as second class citizens. If you’d really like to educate yourself about this, it would be highly beneficial to research the subject on your own.
*This is where I realized the how naive this woman is, and her basis for feminism, personal experience and likely the media, not actual research
Girl 2: Ignorance comes in all forms. He wants to be educated or comes across as “curious” but then chooses not to listen or understand. Will be interesting to see what the next response is...until then, keep up the good fight.
The remainder of the dialogue is them patting each other on the back, like they educated me in some way. They also threw out more insults and passed judgement on the reason of my failed marriage.
This mindset of taking what you hear, developing opinions, and following the majority is the exact thing that created racism and mistreatment of women...