Why are people so DESPERATE to believe in "game"?

[RangerMIke]

Also, how you make her feel in your presence. Which you allude to here:

If she isn't attracted to how you APPEAR, your behavior isn't going to matter. A chick could be the nicest sweetest, most feminine chick around that can sex you up like no one else. But if she is a land whale, most dudes will not get past the rolls of fat. Some dudes are into BBW... that's cool. Chicks are the same way, if you do not appear to be what she is interested in game doesn't matter. You have to pass the attraction test... this does not mean you have to be Brad Pitt, but you have to have a minimum level of attractiveness for THAT PARTICULAR chick, or nothing happens.

Acting masculine plays a large role in how you make her feel, but so do game tactics like c0cky+funny, amused mastery, assuming the sale, push/pull etc.

You could argue that those tactics are masculine, but they aren't exactly innate skills. Fortunately, those of who aren't naturals can learn them, apply them in our lives and achieve better success with women than we otherwise would have.

Being masculine is a man's natural state. These are INNATE skills. Men do not need to learn to pretend to be masculine they really just have to dig deep and bring that out in themselves. Acting like a hyper-pleasing white-knight mangina b!tch is what is LEARNED. You unlearn Blue Pill BS by just digging deep down and being like the universe made you. Be the very best man you are capable of being and go for what you want.

I will say there is some truth to 'fake it til you make it', so if running routines is how you practice, then sure this works okay. But being authentically a man is really to only thing that truly works.

 

[Bible_Belt]

This is the biggest problem I have with game pimping PUAs. They sell gullible dudes on the idea that they can get any chick they want with game only. Someone once asked me if I would ever consider being a dating coach... well no...

Part of what drove me away from the legal field is the inherent flaw in the idea of selling advice - people will only pay for the advice that they already want to hear. From your lawyer, you want to hear "you're right, they're wrong. We're going to win." Those are the words that make you cough up the cash.

From dating coaches, guys just want magic words. Tell me what to say. What line do I use? That's what they want to pay for. If you start talking about how maybe it is their own issues that are causing their problems and that they should work on those issues, no one wants to hear that, and they certainly are not going to pay for it.

Moral of the story - anyone selling any kind of advice, from lawyer to PUA, has carefully crafted their message to be salesworthy first. That is the prime directive. Any truth or helpfulness of that advice will always come second.

 

[marmel75]

If she isn't attracted to how you APPEAR, your behavior isn't going to matter. A chick could be the nicest sweetest, most feminine chick around that can sex you up like no one else. But if she is a land whale, most dudes will not get past the rolls of fat. Some dudes are into BBW... that's cool. Chicks are the same way, if you do not appear to be what she is interested in game doesn't matter. You have to pass the attraction test... this does not mean you have to be Brad Pitt, but you have to have a minimum level of attractiveness for THAT PARTICULAR chick, or nothing happens.

Being masculine is a man's natural state. These are INNATE skills. Men do not need to learn to pretend to be masculine they really just have to dig deep and bring that out in themselves. Acting like a hyper-pleasing white-knight mangina b!tch is what is LEARNED. You unlearn Blue Pill BS by just digging deep down and being like the universe made you. Be the very best man you are capable of being and go for what you want.

I will say there is some truth to 'fake it til you make it', so if running routines is how you practice, then sure this works okay. But being authentically a man is really to only thing that truly works.

I dont agree with that. She doesn't necessarily need to be attracted to you immediately she just can't be unattracted to you. She can be ambivilent towards you initially and then become more attracted over time...

 

[devilkingx2]

LOL.

I'm not angry at all about the red pill. I only get irritated by the blue pill clowns who can't prove their points for sh*t and choose to flame me instead of having a real discussion.

You know who you are @LARaiders85 @deesade @ImTheDoubleGreatest!

Blue pillers masquerading as red pillers. Trolls.

Its ok though.

I'd say the reason they're saying it's black pill is that, well, do you remember the site PUA hate?

I used to browse there and their general philosophy was that the only way to get girls was LMS. game and PUA techniques were considered retarded smoke that gets blown up the ass of idiots

Here's the problem: they talked about it like they're Calvinists (the denomination of christianity that believes that who goes to heaven or hell is determined at birth and independent of your actions in life) or feudalists (the system of government where the noble class had rights unavailable to the peasants and could oppress them freely), as if your only hope of getting women was to be born brad pitt or be destined to become him, and anything else is delusions

Now lets compare something else, bodybuilding.com, they believe in LMS too, they'd all tell you that the key to acquiring women is lifting, and the solution to every problem is being a buff guy and lifting heavier things.

Bodybuilding.com is constructive though, they'll tell you how to lift, where, when etc. They'll give you great advice and detailed guides, it's their mission to whip you into shape.

Your problem is that your posts always sound like "getting women is for the bourgeoisie like me [citation needed], you pathetic peasants" and not "you're doing it all wrong, follow me and I'll show you the way"

Where's your guide on improving LMS at fam? Where's your post on how to avoid majors in college that'll leave you broke and unemployed? I'd read the **** out of that.

 

[corrector]

I dont agree with that. She doesn't necessarily need to be attracted to you immediately she just can't be unattracted to you. She can be ambivilent towards you initially and then become more attracted over time...

So if she has a ***** shield or is testing you then she's unattracted to you? Even if she flat out ignores you, you can call her up on that, and ask why she's being rude, etc....? What about if she's acting attracted but she's taken?

 

[devilkingx2]

Attraction is subjective and it depends on the chick. I lost out to a drug addicted, short balding dude who is a drummer in a local band. The chick that picked him over me was ATTRACTED to how he shows up. It's nothing personal... but nothing happens unless the chick is attracted to you, and it is MOSTLY physical and to a lessor degree, but still important, about what she thinks your status or potential.

How can you say "attraction is mostly physical" but also say "i lost a girl to a short bald guy that probably looks like a junkie" in literally the same paragraph lol

What is called "game" isn't even a factor unless she finds you attractive.

But once the girl finds you attractive your work is done so long as you resist the urge to do anything stupid. That would mean that the only thing you gotta do to get a girl is say hi, spot IOIs, ask her out and then leave. Is that all the work you've ever had to put in? Is that the average experience of a normal guy?

This is the biggest problem I have with game pimping PUAs. They sell gullible dudes on the idea that they can get any chick they want with game only.

I have never ever seen any PUA say that, they're all about doing 100 approaches a week, not getting attached to any one girl, etc.

Or at least, that's what most of the big PUAs were like (mystery and RSD and roosh come to mind, although roosh is more of a red piller now)

 

[devilkingx2]

From dating coaches, guys just want magic words. Tell me what to say. What line do I use? That's what they want to pay for. If you start talking about how maybe it is their own issues that are causing their problems and that they should work on those issues, no one wants to hear that, and they certainly are not going to pay for it.

I bought day bang from Roosh V and one of the first things he says in the book is that you have no hope of getting good at day game if you don't approach often (at least once a day or something like that)

Places like girlschase and RSD give practical advice like that too

I think you're mistaken in your assumption that everyone who wants to buy PUA material is only interested in hearing what they already think or a get pvssy quick scheme.

I think most people just want to see improvements in the short term, not necessarily tomorrow, but by the summer perhaps.

Nobody really wants to hear that they need a 5 year plan to get girls, but most guys aren't 5 years from getting pvssy anyway

 

[Bible_Belt]

I bought day bang from Roosh V and one of the first things he says in the book is that you have no hope of getting good at day game if you don't approach often (at least once a day or something like that)

Everyone here would have told you the same thing for free.

 

[RangerMIke]

I dont agree with that. She doesn't necessarily need to be attracted to you immediately she just can't be unattracted to you. She can be ambivilent towards you initially and then become more attracted over time...

Chicks are emotional and they go where there emotions take them, they live in the moment. One day she might be attracted to tall guys, then a couple of weeks later she might go though some significant emotional event, like her dad dying and BAM.... now she is into short bald dudes. She has to be attracted to you... what a chick is attracted too changes like the wind, so what you are saying is true... but it isn't a fvcking thing the dude has done, it's something that changed in her life.

I've seen chicks that were only interested in riding the carousel... then they hit their 30s then all the sudden, she is attracted to guys carrying diaper bags. The diaper bag carrying nice guy didn't have a fvcking chance with hot 20-something chick... but when she starts having a harder time covering up those wrinkles with the wall fast approaching... well the universe has gifted chicks with the ability to emotionally adapt to any circumstance they face.

 

[Roober]

Acting like a man, doesn't even work with all women, only sane normal chicks that are heterosexual.

And this is the key. Acting like a man will attract the good quality women; sane, heterosexual, level-headed, kind, feminine, etc.

Crazy chicks and chicks that are more masculine than feminine, or chicks that are after your money, are not going to be moved by your being manly. But you still act like a man because that is how you screen out the b!tches and those that just want to use you.

These are the kind of women that money and status will bring to you. They may think you are attractive, but will certainly become even more interested in you once she sees your money or status. She doesn't necessarily like the man, she likes the lifestyle the man presents. But, these are not ideal women, these women are the trojan horse. They appear great, but are different inside.

The main point is that a man can control his game and his looks. Money and status don't always come nearly as easily, but looks and game are 100% controllable.
1. Game - how to be a man is 100% under your own control. If your mind is not right, nothing else matters.
2. Looks - almost every man with proper fitness, diet, and grooming can be at least a 7.

 

[RangerMIke]

How can you say "attraction is mostly physical" but also say "i lost a girl to a short bald guy that probably looks like a junkie" in literally the same paragraph lol

You do not understand my point, I will try again and re-state my belief. What is physically attractive is in the eye of the CHICK. What you think and feel doesn't mean a fvcking thing. If she is attracted to the drugged out drummer look, THAT is what SHE is attracted to. I'm a guy that wears suits to everything, casual to me is no tie, no tats, no pins sticking out of my face... no way in the world a chick that's into the drugged out drummer dudes is going to be attracted to me... and it is not personal.

But once the girl finds you attractive your work is done so long as you resist the urge to do anything stupid. That would mean that the only thing you gotta do to get a girl is say hi, spot IOIs, ask her out and then leave. Is that all the work you've ever had to put in? Is that the average experience of a normal guy?

Well yes... but you have to do something, you have to approach... strike up a conversation, get her number or ask her out. But I agree, it is a lot easier to turn off a chick that to build her interest.

I have never ever seen any PUA say that, they're all about doing 100 approaches a week, not getting attached to any one girl, etc.

Or at least, that's what most of the big PUAs were like (mystery and RSD and roosh come to mind, although roosh is more of a red piller now)

Come on man... they all sell the idea that you can get chicks with game only. They might tell you you have to approach approach approach, but they sell the idea that it's 'practice', and if you are failing... it's just that you need more practice... which is true, you will get better with practice and repetition, but it isn't REALLY game. It's that you happen to run into a chick that that likes what you have... and since you have 'practiced' you are not going to fvck it up.

I'm not saying PUA guys teach stuff that is useless. It does work, and it certainly helps men that do not know how to behave like men. All I am saying is just work on acting like a man and keep trying to make dates and you won't need a dating coach.

 

[RangerMIke]

2. Looks - almost every man with proper fitness, diet, and grooming can be at least a 7.

This! I really don't care what you look like. If you are fit, don't have a beer belly, and you wear clothes that fit you and make you look good. With a hairstyle that suits you. If you care about how you look, bath... smell good and don't have bad breath.... most chicks will be attracted to you. You do not have to been drop dead handsome, just decent to acceptable to look at.

 

[marmel75]

So if she has a ***** shield or is testing you then she's unattracted to you? Even if she flat out ignores you, you can call her up on that, and ask why she's being rude, etc....? What about if she's acting attracted but she's taken?

Unattracted = "under no circumstance does she want your c0ck inside her"

 

[devilkingx2]

Everyone here would have told you the same thing for free.

Well yeah, i bought the book for an entirely different purpose, but that was in it, and it counters the idea that every single one is purely blowing smoke to people who want to be told sweet little lies I'd say

 

[user43770]

You do not understand my point, I will try again and re-state my belief. What is physically attractive is in the eye of the CHICK. What you think and feel doesn't mean a fvcking thing.

Right. It's about what the woman thinks and feels. Which you said in your previous post:

Chicks are emotional and they go where there emotions take them, they live in the moment.

A man can learn to make a woman feel certain emotions. This is game.

If she is attracted to the drugged out drummer look, THAT is what SHE is attracted to.

This is more social status than looks. Ugly rockers get laid all the time.

Come on man... they all sell the idea that you can get chicks with game only. They might tell you you have to approach approach approach, but they sell the idea that it's 'practice', and if you are failing... it's just that you need more practice... which is true, you will get better with practice and repetition, but it isn't REALLY game. It's that you happen to run into a chick that that likes what you have... and since you have 'practiced' you are not going to fvck it up.

The numbers game plays a part, for sure, but it's like @marmel75 pointed out, game makes you stand out.

I'm not saying PUA guys teach stuff that is useless. It does work, and it certainly helps men that do not know how to behave like men. All I am saying is just work on acting like a man and keep trying to make dates and you won't need a dating coach.

You aren't really saying anything; all you said was act masculine. I know plently of masculine guys that are white knights and captain-save-a-hoes.

Game is all about masculinity, it just broke it down into a science based on evolutionary psychology.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Black pill is when you get stuck in the anger phase of the red pill and let it corrupt you so you fall into darkness

The purple pill is where it is at.... for a man must be magnanimous and incorporate all aspects of existence into a harmonious whole. And I believe that red and blue mixed together makes purple.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I have come to conclude that all game is... oh irony of ironies... feminine. It is in the woman's nature to play artificial games. It is in the man's to be his natural and better self.

 

[user43770]

I have come to conclude that all game is... oh irony of ironies... feminine. It is in the woman's nature to play artificial games. It is in the man's to be his natural and better self.

Many great philosophers have said similar things. Many of them were also virgins.

Choose your own path, yadda yadda

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Many great philosophers have said similar things. Many of them were also virgins.

Choose your own path, yadda yadda

The problem is we over-value sex/women. If the value wasn't over inflated, then we would not be prepared to put up with most of the nonsense you see today. The over-valuation of sex has effectively disempowered men... and our culture has become the mess it is today.

 

[user43770]

The problem is we over-value sex/women. If the value wasn't over inflated, then we would not be prepared to put up with most of the nonsense you see today. The over valuation of sex has effectively disempowered men... and our culture has become the mess it is today.

It's natural for men to want sex. It always has been. Not much we can do about natural urges.

Men have always known about women's proclivity to be conniving and dishonest. And they used to be able to keep it in check. Not anymore.

Now that it has run amok, what are our options?