"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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How do most guys out of college in their 20s date nowadays??

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Lol your income is always changing in your posts. One day you make close to 200K, the next 150K, same thing with your looks. One day you're a9/10 the next a 7/8 outta 10.
my income does vary a bit. I made 170 in 2015 but only 150 in 2017. They changed my pay plan and the business is supposed to start peaking again. I think I have a real chance at 200K in 2018

I've always said I was a 7 to 8 in pure facial appearance. The rest of my presentation is a 10/10
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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my income does vary a bit. I made 170 in 2015 but only 150 in 2017. They changed my pay plan and the business is supposed to start peaking again. I think I have a real chance at 200K in 2018

I've always said I was a 7 to 8 in pure facial appearance. The rest of my presentation is a 10/10
Ok but what about the advice you've been given here numerous times regarding how to meet more women? Have you implemented any of that? No I imagine?
 

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Ok but what about the advice you've been given here numerous times regarding how to meet more women? Have you implemented any of that? No I imagine?
which advice specifically?

I haven't been told anything sensible
 

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I haven't been told anything sensible
I'm amazed by people like you who are so paralyzed w/ fear regarding getting better w/ women that you would make a comment like that. Tons of guys on this site have given you advice but you're so scared of trying to improve in this area of your life, specifically afraid of rejection because it would crush your massive fragile ego, that you come here and insult guys who have put in the effort to get better and now try to help others.

Where do you get the nerve dude? Seriously.
 

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I'm amazed by people like you who are so paralyzed w/ fear regarding getting better w/ women that you would make a comment like that. Tons of guys on this site have given you advice but you're so scared of trying to improve in this area of your life, specifically afraid of rejection because it would crush your massive fragile ego, that you come here and insult guys who have put in the effort to get better and now try to help others.

Where do you get the nerve dude? Seriously.
show me what sensible advice I have ignored

the classic "approach 10,000 women and get rejected by 9,999" is not real advice
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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show me what sensible advice I have ignored

the classic "approach 10,000 women and get rejected by 9,999" is not real advice
I'm average looking and at worst it's 1 in 10 when cold approaching. That's not terrible odds for little effort. OLD is a grind but again, as an average guy I was getting dates with doctors, nurses and lawyers around 7 to 8 in looks. You're just making excuses for what is obviously a lack of game and a lack of willingness to honestly assess yourself and attempt to improve. There are women literally everywhere. My AFC buds have better success than you claim is normal so your perception is wrong. Quit the whiny excuses and talk to some women.
 

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I'm average looking and at worst it's 1 in 10 when cold approaching. That's not terrible odds for little effort. OLD is a grind but again, as an average guy I was getting dates with doctors, nurses and lawyers around 7 to 8 in looks. You're just making excuses for what is obviously a lack of game and a lack of willingness to honestly assess yourself and attempt to improve. There are women literally everywhere. My AFC buds have better success than you claim is normal so your perception is wrong. Quit the whiny excuses and talk to some women.
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I know a chick over 40 who makes 250K as a finance director, super super nice person, smart and funny and she is seeing my buddy who is bald, chubby and totally broke

she is decent looking - much better than him
I know a guy over 40 who makes 250K as a finance director, super super nice person, smart and funny and he is seeing my friend who is a girl who is ugly, chubby and short

He is decent looking - much better than her
 

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I'm average looking and at worst it's 1 in 10 when cold approaching. That's not terrible odds for little effort. OLD is a grind but again, as an average guy I was getting dates with doctors, nurses and lawyers around 7 to 8 in looks. You're just making excuses for what is obviously a lack of game and a lack of willingness to honestly assess yourself and attempt to improve. There are women literally everywhere. My AFC buds have better success than you claim is normal so your perception is wrong. Quit the whiny excuses and talk to some women.

why would a female nurse or doctor who is a 8 in looks date an average guy on a dating site??

she could go on there and have multi millionaire male models hit on her everyday. Why settle for complete mediocrity??
 

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why would a female nurse or doctor who is a 8 in looks date an average guy on a dating site??

she could go on there and have multi millionaire male models hit on her everyday. Why settle for complete mediocrity??
If you think looks and money are the be all and end all you've not read the bible. Go read pook. My photos weren't even that good. Humorous profile was my hook for OLD. Fun and deep conversation to get the number. Being a confident man on the date. Not a whiny little boy who won't read the lessons and thinks you can boil down male/female dichotomy to money and looks.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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If you think looks and money are the be all and end all you've not read the bible. Go read pook. My photos weren't even that good. Humorous profile was my hook for OLD. Fun and deep conversation to get the number. Being a confident man on the date. Not a whiny little boy who won't read the lessons and thinks you can boil down male/female dichotomy to money and looks.

You didn't answer the question, not to mention she can easily get a multi millionaire male model who is also funny, has a great personality and is super confident


I am very confident on dates also, my presentation is fantastic. Overall I'm very confident in my abilities with women, I just don't ever meet any decent ones willing to give me a chance. I said this in the other thread - give me 3 dates with decent women my age and I will have a girlfriend in a month, I'm awesome on dates.
 

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if you are so fantastic... why do you fail so much?

Why you even here?
 

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if you are so fantastic... why do you fail so much?

Why you even here?
I've always said I'm excellent on dates

and also always said I never get any unless the woman is 60 leagues below my league. I am always trying to self improve though - I'm an obsessive self improver and I'm very harsh on myself
 

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OLD is not for 99% of guys in their 20s. Stopped reading here. OP makes me sick.
 

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I've always said I'm excellent on dates

and also always said I never get any unless the woman is 60 leagues below my league. I am always trying to self improve though - I'm an obsessive self improver and I'm very harsh on myself
Why are you so blind than?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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You didn't answer the question, not to mention she can easily get a multi millionaire male model who is also funny, has a great personality and is super confident


I am very confident on dates also, my presentation is fantastic. Overall I'm very confident in my abilities with women, I just don't ever meet any decent ones willing to give me a chance. I said this in the other thread - give me 3 dates with decent women my age and I will have a girlfriend in a month, I'm awesome on dates.
You're lying, delusional, or your standards are beyond your value. There's not many decent women, sure, but you shouldn't be having trouble with getting dates with them.

I did answer the question. She probably can't easily get a guy like that. For one, those guys are way rarer than hot chicks who simply have good genetics, but secondly, you don't need those things to impress a woman. They help, they make it easy, but they're not required. GO READ POOK IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND
 

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The OP is not a white guy that's why he has the problem. Maybe the women he's dealing with are all just racist. It's all Trump's fault.
 

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The OP is not a white guy that's why he has the problem. Maybe the women he's dealing with are all just racist. It's all Trump's fault.
I look Spanish/Italian

I don't like white girls, I like ethnic women...
 

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You're lying, delusional, or your standards are beyond your value. There's not many decent women, sure, but you shouldn't be having trouble with getting dates with them.

I did answer the question. She probably can't easily get a guy like that. For one, those guys are way rarer than hot chicks who simply have good genetics, but secondly, you don't need those things to impress a woman. They help, they make it easy, but they're not required. GO READ POOK IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND
It's not that rare


any moderately ok woman is receiving what? 5000 messages a day. Out of that 5000, 1 or 2 will be a multi millionaire male model with great personality
 

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I look Spanish/Italian

I don't like white girls, I like ethnic women...
Who said I was referring to white girls? Ethnic women are more racist than white women are. You said you don't look white and that unless you are a 6'3 white guy you'll fail at OLD.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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