"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Am I one of the few guys who wants a relationship only and doesn't care about getting strictly laid?

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I dunno why I feel this way but the idea of casual sex with multiple women has never had any appeal to me. I would much rather just have an awesome GF who would be like my best friend that I also have sex with


I still have a great sex drive - I masturbate all the time and I would like to have sex 5-8 times a week if I had a GF. I also am not desperate to get in a relationship - I'm only willing to get in 1 if she is a great/close to perfect fit for what I want. I basically want a GF who will be somewhat comparable to the awesome male close friends I have right now in terms of the quality of the companionship (I know it won't be as good but I want it to be somewhat close).


Is this strange you guys?
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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It’s not strange but you think you deserve a girl who’s too good for you
 

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It’s not strange but you think you deserve a girl who’s too good for you
based on what? I'm at least a 7 strictly on looks on a very conservative scale... probably closer to an 8 and I'm in the top 1 percentile of men for success/being established/quality of lifestyle/social circle/etc...


I make 170K a year and I would be ecstatic to date a girl making 60
 

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There's nothing wrong with that.
Some men are more prone to dealing with an ltr than the constant game of chasing girls for quick lays which becomes exhausting at some point

Just keep living a positive life daily and things will work out eventually.

Put yourself in better scenarios as well. The club isn't the place to find a quality ltr.
Church.
Art gallery.
Grocery store. Ya i know but women hit the grocery store after the gym a few times a week.
 

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You basically want to skip steps 1-5 and get to step 6. It doesnt work like that.

We keep telling you the same thing over and over and you keep posting the same whack ass sh!t over and over.

Either take the advice or don't but stop posting the same questions 50 different ways.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Exactly the reason you don't have either ;)
this is not on purpose or me trying to fit into society's norms


I just genuinely have zero interest in sexing multiple women or casual sex in any form
 

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I dunno why I feel this way but the idea of casual sex with multiple women has never had any appeal to me.
So if a different hottie showed up to your place ready to go, each night, you'd turn them away?

Or does lots of sex with different women only lose its appeal when it's not easy to get?
 

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this is not on purpose or me trying to fit into society's norms


I just genuinely have zero interest in sexing multiple women or casual sex in any form
I can relate--I think around the time I first joined you can find a thread about me complaining about how spinning plates was boring or something. I really thought I was 'naturally monogamous.'

But the truth is, your brain/ego is wired to desire things it thinks of as realistically attainable. A girlfriend seems like a realistic expectation--don't have to rock the societal boat, don't have to deal with (a lot of) rejection, only have to spend moderate amounts of energy to find her. Of course, you're a great guy & you deserve to find your female equivalent who values you just the way you are and isn't like those other girls. You deserve that, right?

But you know what attracts that girlfriend? The same thing that attracts all the other girls. And the problem is when you really do have all the other girls, then you won't even want a girlfriend. Go ahead and put in the hard work learning how to meet, attract & sleep with top-shelf women and then you can tell me you don't like casual sex.
 

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I can relate--I think around the time I first joined you can find a thread about me complaining about how spinning plates was boring or something. I really thought I was 'naturally monogamous.'

But the truth is, your brain/ego is wired to desire things it thinks of as realistically attainable. A girlfriend seems like a realistic expectation--don't have to rock the societal boat, don't have to deal with (a lot of) rejection, only have to spend moderate amounts of energy to find her. Of course, you're a great guy & you deserve to find your female equivalent who values you just the way you are and isn't like those other girls. You deserve that, right?

But you know what attracts that girlfriend? The same thing that attracts all the other girls. And the problem is when you really do have all the other girls, then you won't even want a girlfriend. Go ahead and put in the hard work learning how to meet, attract & sleep with top-shelf women and then you can tell me you don't like casual sex.
When I go out for example and I come across a very slutty but decently attractive girl with a nice body who I could probably have sex with if I put in some work, I really have zero desire to do it

She is not even attractive to me because I only want somebody who is very classy, kinda conservative, would only want to have sex with me after 2-4 dates, etc...
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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So if a different hottie showed up to your place ready to go, each night, you'd turn them away?

Or does lots of sex with different women only lose its appeal when it's not easy to get?
in 2015, I had sex with 3 women in about a 3 month period (this is a huge number for me, keep in mind I've been a monster failure in dating) - 1 was a very attractive 40+ MILF, 1 was a slutty/trashy 23 year old but she had a really nice body with a huge ass, 1 was a slightly chunky 22 year old but she was decent looking also

Did nothing for me whatsoever beyond craving the real thing (relationship with a super high quality girl in my league)
 

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BigDave,

There's nothing wrong with wanting a full-time gf. If you find a good one, there are many benefits that spinning plates will never offer. Why don't you try a matchmaking service like It's Just Lunch. The women in the program are all looking for relationships like you. IJL vets all their members too. You have to have $$ to play, but this eliminates all the low-class loser chicks you'd meet in bars or online.

If you really want to meet a girl who wants a relationship, this is your best bet.
 

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BigDave,

There's nothing wrong with wanting a full-time gf. If you find a good one, there are many benefits that spinning plates will never offer. Why don't you try a matchmaking service like It's Just Lunch. The women in the program are all looking for relationships like you. IJL vets all their members too. You have to have $$ to play, but this eliminates all the low-class loser chicks you'd meet in bars or online.

If you really want to meet a girl who wants a relationship, this is your best bet.
how many girls around 21-27 are going to be able to afford a matchmaking service?

I can easily afford it but most women my age are lucky if they're making 50K. Those services are probably for people in their late 30s - 60s. Most younger girls have no interest in paying for that
 

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in 2015, I had sex with 3 women in about a 3 month period (this is a huge number for me, keep in mind I've been a monster failure in dating) - 1 was a very attractive 40+ MILF, 1 was a slutty/trashy 23 year old but she had a really nice body with a huge ass, 1 was a slightly chunky 22 year old but she was decent looking also

Did nothing for me whatsoever beyond craving the real thing (relationship with a super high quality girl in my league)
....if it did nothing for you, then suppose you do get what you want, and there is a break-up afterwards, then how would you handle that? I mean the way you sound, such a girl would have absolute power in a relationship since you are replaceable to her while you'll have a severe oneitis problem where you can't afford to lose her while she has options. Once the honeymoon phase of the relationship wears off and other options she has starts looking brighter then you'll have to put up with any B.S. she throws at you because you have no walk-away power. Is that what you really want?
 

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how many girls around 21-27 are going to be able to afford a matchmaking service?

I can easily afford it but most women my age are lucky if they're making 50K. Those services are probably for people in their late 30s - 60s. Most younger girls have no interest in paying for that
You could set up a meeting with IJL and just ask. Also, it wouldn't surprise me if parents would pay for such a service for their daughters so they wouldn't have to meet guys online and in bars. My guess is there are quite a few professional women in the 25+ year old category with IJL.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I'm sorry, but this is a ridiculous premises. A man does not get into a "relationship" for the "relationship" part, but for the physical intimacy part - and any non-intimacy period is tolerated to allow the woman the time to get to that point. For men, the emotion of *romantic* love is based on the fact that there is a regular intimacy object under control; take away that intimacy and the edifice collapses.

Now all that said, the *quality* of the intimacy can have a component that is attributable to the fidelity of the partner - which is evolutionary positive since "mother's baby, father's maybe" and the seriousness of the "babies & blisters" aspect of sexuality.
 

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I basically want a GF who will be somewhat comparable to the awesome male close friends I have right now in terms of the quality of the companionship (I know it won't be as good but I want it to be somewhat close).


Is this strange you guys?

YES.
 

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how many girls around 21-27 are going to be able to afford a matchmaking service?
The better question to ask is why an otherwise decently attractive woman of that age even feels the need to use such a service.
 

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I'm sorry, but this is a ridiculous premises. A man does not get into a "relationship" for the "relationship" part, but for the physical intimacy part - and any non-intimacy period is tolerated to allow the woman the time to get to that point. For men, the emotion of *romantic* love is based on the fact that there is a regular intimacy object under control; take away that intimacy and the edifice collapses.

Now all that said, the *quality* of the intimacy can have a component that is attributable to the fidelity of the partner - which is evolutionary positive since "mother's baby, father's maybe" and the seriousness of the "babies & blisters" aspect of sexuality.
listen man, I love sex as much as the next guy but I don't want a relationship that's built around only that. I want a GF who will be super cool/fun to hang out with outside of sex
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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