guru1000
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Sharp shirt Richard. Now get it tailored to appear fitted around back and waist. Not tight. Not loose. Fitted.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
taiyuu_otoko
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Pareto Principle, otherwise known as the 80-20 rule, says that in any system, eighty percent of the work is due to twenty percent of the elements.
In sales, it means that 80 percent of the total sales will be made by top 20% of salespeople.
And within that top 20, there's another 20-80 split.
Same with guys and girls.
Top percent get most of the women.
20% of 20% is 4%.
So the top 4% of any system (sales people or seducers) will generally be getting 64% (80 percent of the 80 percent) of all the sales or women.
But my overall point was that in any given market and any given product, there will be the top 4% doing most of the work.
The difference between those top 4% and the bottom 80% is NOT attributed to product or market. Only sales skills.
If you want consistent "access" to the majority (64%) of women (and not the bottom of the barrel) you've got to be in the top 4%.
This is why is sucks to be beta.
taiyuu_otoko
Master Don Juan
I definitely concur. You look like you're making one of those farewell youtube videos before going on a killing spree...
RichardTheFrog
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Okay. Not sure if the other 2 I bought were as good.
RichardTheFrog
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Have you ever noticed that all of your advice sucks, nobody asked for it, and you're a little kid who DOESN'T fvck hot girls?
I'm not sure who is worse, you or @deesade
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
taiyuu_otoko
Master Don Juan
No, I, uh, never noticed that....
Well, when it comes to in field advice, (compared to say, infield advice which you might find on a baseball forum) based on real world results and true game (cold approach, language and behavior to create attraction), I'd say @deesade would be the guy to listen to.
RichardTheFrog
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taiyuu_otoko
Master Don Juan
Don't knock it till you've tried it...(might loosen you up a bit, tone down some of that serial killer vibe...)
Glassguy
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Good points. Overselling yourself is a deal breaker in both the sales and dating world.
Logic- that is what most men who excell in sales and dating have a lot of.
Women and a lot of buyers (especially the spontaneous buyers) are emotional. Applying good logic to their emotions creates an easy sale.
Von
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Every buying décision is emotinal.
Logic is just the rationalisation of emotions.
Good sellers are good and above average (Pareto 20% top)
Sales taught me : To handle rejection, rebound, handle sh!t test and initial rejection (easier to sell to someone who says : No (but maintain an opening), than someone who says Yesyes yes so easily (like casual), it allowed me to notice signals better, it also taught me you cant win all battles all the time but you can win the war (improving business). It also showed me the importance of social group/networking. It solidify me, since from the start people get on the défensive when they see à "salesmans". It also remind me of the importance of humour, empathy, willpower
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
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The sale doesnt start until the potential customer says no.
The "game" doesnt start until the chick either plays hard to get or doesn't lay down like a rug on the first attempt on her.
I will say that the older I get, the less game I use. These chicks can either make it easy and jump onboard or take their shyte down the road. My time and energy is better spent elsewhere if they don't make it easy.
Not necessarily .....when you cold door knock many times you are trying to cram a very expensive item down someones throat who cannot afford it..and is not even in the market for what you are trying to sell them...