"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I never went below a 6.5 in the looks department and even that chick looked better than her pics, and ended up being a 7.5 in person, borderline 8---her body was banging. The rest were at least a 7. Some were 7.5 or 8's. I wouldn't get the time of day from 9's or 10's, so that was my online limit.

I didn't care at all about if she had kids, I was interested in banging them. The rest yeah...I don't do trashy chicks or ones with no jobs and ones that are dumber than a box of rocks. I'm a computer programmer, gotta have some intelligence to be around me(both sexes---I just hate stupidity in any form).
I'm guessing almost all of them had kids

Single moms are easy. Women in mid to late 20s without kids are insanely difficult
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I'm guessing almost all of them had kids

Single moms are easy. Women in mid to late 20s without kids are insanely difficult
I think 3 of them had no kids. I dunno man, I just didn't find it difficult at all, especially after about 6 months when it became almost a cookie cutter operation from first message to getting her number to getting her on a date...at one point I was banging 7 different chicks in rotation(all met online) for a few months(took me about 2 weeks to get through a "cycle", but still...). I honestly have no idea how guys find this so difficult. It just isn't that hard. 7 chicks ended up being WAY too much work and headaches...ended up going down to 4 for a few months and then cut back to 3...3 was a good number for me but at the end it was streessful too because all of them wanted a relationship...
 

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I think 3 of them had no kids. I dunno man, I just didn't find it difficult at all, especially after about 6 months when it became almost a cookie cutter operation from first message to getting her number to getting her on a date...at one point I was banging 7 different chicks in rotation(all met online) for a few months(took me about 2 weeks to get through a "cycle", but still...). I honestly have no idea how guys find this so difficult. It just isn't that hard. 7 chicks ended up being WAY too much work and headaches...ended up going down to 4 for a few months and then cut back to 3...3 was a good number for me but at the end it was streessful too because all of them wanted a relationship...
what was your profile like? What was your initial message?


From what I've seen, even a lot of good looking men who do well with real life dating say OLD is impossible. Women just get way too many messages to where a 6/10 female still wants a 10/10 male
 

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what was your profile like? What was your initial message?


From what I've seen, even a lot of good looking men who do well with real life dating say OLD is impossible. Women just get way too many messages to where a 6/10 female still wants a 10/10 male
That's because these chicks want to go on dates and get banged while these dudes want to be penpals a lot of times.

Moving fast is a must online...or you risk someone else getting her out before you do and banging her first and then game over. Its not as high a risk as you'd think with all those messages...75% off the top are desperate ass dudes who have no clue what they are doing and another 10% want to be penpals and talk endlessly. Its really about the 15% that you need to worry about...
 
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That's because these chicks want to go on dates and get banged while these dudes want to be penpals a lot of times.

Moving fast is a must online...or you risk someone else getting her out before you do and banging her first and then game over. Its not as high a risk as you'd think with all those messages...75% off the top are desperate ass dudes who have no clue what they are doing and another 10% want to be penpals and talk endlessly. Its really about the 15% that you need to worry about...
99% of women won't even message you back unless you look like a male model though in the experiments I've seen

Do you go for that annoying dancing clown routine where your whole profile and messages is all about telling lame jokes?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I just didn't find it difficult at all.... I honestly have no idea how guys find this so difficult. It just isn't that hard. 7 chicks ended up being WAY too much work and headaches...ended up going down to 4 for a few months and then cut back to 3...3 was a good number for me but at the end it was stressful too because all of them wanted a relationship...
My experience was very similar.
 

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99% of women won't even message you back unless you look like a male model though in the experiments I've seen

Do you go for that annoying dancing clown routine where your whole profile and messages is all about telling lame jokes?
No. I dont tell any jokes. I tongue In cheek describe the various types of women who are online dating sites in my profile then give a short blurb about what I'm looking for.

Its a very straight to the point profile although its pretty funny because it's 100% true in regards to the various types of women I describe. And I dont know what to tell you other than you are doing something wrong. What that is I'm not sure, but that it's something I'm 100% positive.
 

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No. I dont tell any jokes. I tongue In cheek describe the various types of women who are online dating sites in my profile then give a short blurb about what I'm looking for.

Its a very straight to the point profile although its pretty funny because it's 100% true in regards to the various types of women I describe. And I dont know what to tell you other than you are doing something wrong. What that is I'm not sure, but that it's something I'm 100% positive.
so how do so many good looking men who are successful with dating in real life tell me they never get any messages/replies whatsoever?
 

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No. I dont tell any jokes. I tongue In cheek describe the various types of women who are online dating sites in my profile then give a short blurb about what I'm looking for.

Its a very straight to the point profile although its pretty funny because it's 100% true in regards to the various types of women I describe. And I dont know what to tell you other than you are doing something wrong. What that is I'm not sure, but that it's something I'm 100% positive.
I got a lot less serious, the more success I had, until I just didn't care at all any more. My profile was whatever I found funny at the moment, like my own stand up comedy routine. I had an entire profile at one point dedicated to the theme of how much I hate celery. I am still laughing about that. It's a joke, but at the same time represents my personality well. I care more about having a good time than I do about trying to impress anyone, especially some woman, just because she's hot. A lot of women find that attractive, even the occasional hot one, who by he way way often have hidden profiles set up so you can only see their profile if they want you to, because they get so many messages otherwise.
 

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I got a lot less serious, the more success I had, until I just didn't care at all any more. My profile was whatever I found funny at the moment, like my own stand up comedy routine. I had an entire profile at one point dedicated to the theme of how much I hate celery. I am still laughing about that. It's a joke, but at the same time represents my personality well. I care more about having a good time than I do about trying to impress anyone, especially some woman, just because she's hot. A lot of women find that attractive, even the occasional hot one, who by he way way often have hidden profiles set up so you can only see their profile if they want you to, because they get so many messages otherwise.
what about someone like me who is atrocious at writing a funny profile?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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what about someone like me who is atrocious at writing a funny profile?
I'm not telling you to do it exactly my way, but you do come off as too serious. A sense of humor will help any guy with women. You don't have to be a clown, and you don't have to tell jokes constantly. Watch some comedy. Find your favorite comedians. Just find what you think is funny; it doesn't matter too much exactly what that is. That's even more important than her actually laughing. I think it is a type of alpha male frame dominance - this is what s funny, because I say so.
 

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I'm not telling you to do it exactly my way, but you do come off as too serious. A sense of humor will help any guy with women. You don't have to be a clown, and you don't have to tell jokes constantly. Watch some comedy. Find your favorite comedians. Just find what you think is funny; it doesn't matter too much exactly what that is. That's even more important than her actually laughing. I think it is a type of alpha male frame dominance - this is what s funny, because I say so.

I have a good sense of humor in real life. It just doesn't come across in my writing
 

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I never said I'm a 9/10. I'm about a 7 to 7.5/10 in the face with 10/10 body and fashion - but those 2 things don't really matter anywhere near as much as facial attractiveness. To exasperate the problem, I am only about a 6.5/10 in pics - I look much better in real life. Women on dating sites, even the 6s and 7s are looking for 9s and 10/10s
Well, this is true... :)
 

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Well for one thing, you’re not as good looking and successful as you think you are, because if you were you’d be getting HB 9 without trying.

I’d rather have money than lots of women while having money problems. Your education and profession help you in the long term. Women often don’t.
Finally someone on this forum is talking sense (recently)
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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The OP sounds very narcissistic because he is constantly posting about how great he is. This attitude probably comes off in everyday life (even if he doesn't come right out and say it like he does here), and I'm sure that could be very off putting. Combine that with his pessimistic negativity, and it's no surprise he doesn't have much luck.

And by the way, I've always said I'd rather have money than women. Money is more versatile.
 

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I have literally never met a decent salesperson who was not extremely likable outside of the job. Selling isn't that much different than bullsh*tting with somebody at a bar - if you want to be a good salesman, you have to be very good at making people like you and feel comfortable around you immediately. I don't go through any routine or approach - it's all about making people like me very quickly and very intensely so I can ask for the business. I do it constantly over and over again with people of all different backgrounds, races, ages, etc... Sales is actually awesome for building your social skills. I'm way better at making friends now than 10 years ago.

My looks are kinda tough to judge. I get complimented sometimes on a daily basis and often by total strangers but I look more like a light skinned Spanish or Puerto Rican than a pure white boy. I suspect a lot of women are turned off by this as most women only like purely white men
OK Enrique iglesias lol
 

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Read this and ask yourself outside of serious personality flaws or laziness, does this make sense?
Jesus dude, if you’re x,y,z setup and the perfect package. Why do you not have any experience in banging bitches??? I could walk downtown and hit on every hot college chick and bring Home at least 2. If I had the money and house and car, I’d go get rejected twice as much, because wtf is 25 rejections in one day If I truly know I’m the man???

Youre not putting yourself out there enough. That’s the only thing I can think of.

And no I wouldn’t trade places. I’ll have what you have within 5 years, and I’ll even more experience gaming. Gotta fail and fail often to reap the benefits.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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