I Think I Hate the Game.

[MisterMike]

I general it seems like it really involves a lot of posturing and disingenuity that really on works within the constructs on modern society. The stuff I read on here boggles my mind, how can women eat this **** up?

 

[lizardking82]

Game is for people who have no proper status or projects or image. Go work on your image and game won't even be necessary. Any woman you need to game to get sex is a woman you won't even enjoy probably.

 

[skinnyguy]

I general it seems like it really involves a lot of posturing and disingenuity that really on works within the constructs on modern society. The stuff I read on here boggles my mind, how can women eat this **** up?

Soon enough, you'll probably find that becoming a manipulative liar is fun.

 

[bigneil]

You want to emanate Power. When you get it right, you can conjure up a gust of wind to blow the hat off your dream girl and it will land upon your feet.

 

[MisterMike]

Bigneil, could you provide an example?

 

[Serenity]

I general it seems like it really involves a lot of posturing and disingenuity that really on works within the constructs on modern society. The stuff I read on here boggles my mind, how can women eat this **** up?

Women use the exact same tactics. Does it not boggle your mind that guys eat this shit up too?

There's a lot of idiots out there...

 

[MisterMike]

Well, we did give them rights... so I wouldn't put anything past men.

 

[bigneil]

Bigneil, could you provide an example?

That really happened to me, in August of 1996, after I met a sorcerer named Greg while on mushrooms. It's about radiating and absorbing Power. I then met my dream girl. On the 20 year anniversary I returned and my dream girl (my age) walked right by me on the beach. She had sunglasses on so I didn't say anything, we just smiled. That was the very day I met my boss for my current job and met my last girlfriend who I dated exactly 9 months.

"My basic assumption in both books has been that the articulation points in learning to be a sorcerer were the states of nonordinary reality produced by the ingestion of psychotropic plants... My perception of the world through the effects of those psychotropics had been so bizarre and impressive that I was forced to assume that such states were the only avenue to communicating and learning what Don Juan was attempting to teach me. That assumption was erroneous."

- Carlos Casteneda Journey to Ixtlan.

(Note he refers to his master Don Juan which is not the seducer term, but how appropriate)

(Also read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance)

 

[sazc]

meh, i feel like this is a troll thread

 

[MisterMike]

I'm not a troll, i'm just really direct by nature so this whole business is a struggle for me.

 

[MisterMike]

I was a correctional officer... I'm going to be a federal police officer... I'd say that qualifies a lot of what you wrote as moot.

 

[MisterMike]

Yes, because a true alpha male insults others from behind a computer screen. This perfectly illustrates my point though because society and technology creates an environment where you can say that to me without repercussion, if we were in nature I sincerely think you'd missing that confidence or you'd be hurt. It's a faux order where talk overtakes action.

 

[MisterMike]

Do many turns at County? You seem a bit bitter?

 

[sazc]

not gonna be besties, are you two?

 

[MisterMike]

I think he's hilarious.

 

[Red Legg]

You youngbucks have no idea how terrifying life can be. I have a cousin who was locked up for something he didn't commit. Till this day, when he gets drunk he still says "shut the fvck up, what are you going to do with 3 d!cks? I have to slap him out of it. He currently has his own business and a beautiful wife. He came from the bottom up. And he still has to take a sh!t in private because he leaks (his bowel movements are messed up from all the rapes). So trust me. You guys haven't experienced the worse life has to offer. Stop being spoiled millennials and make something out of yourselves.

I am a combat veteran of Desert Storm,after I came home from cheating death,killing people,seeing crispy critters everywhere (fried Iraqi soldiers) I came home and never had anything in common with my civilian friends again.I still remember 24 hours after I got home I went to a coffee shop near Ft Sill,OK and a man was b!tching how is coffee was not hot enough..I stood there in shock like did I really fight for these fvckin people ?? Americans that are born here have NO IDEA how good they have it....end of rant.

 

[wifehunter]

I'm a gamer...Therefore, I love games..

But, when I'm killing it, I get bored.

If there's no risk if losing, it's no fun anymore.

If that happens, I find different ways to play the same game. A different angle. A new strategy...I like to keep things flowing.

No challenge = no fun

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I'm not a troll, i'm just really direct by nature so this whole business is a struggle for me.

You're deluding yourself, like many people do.

Social skills are SKILLS. You need to practice them to improve.

Also, it's common to confuse your social skills with your personality, but they are different.

Your social skills are how you interact with others.

Your personality is the sum total of your experiences, beliefs, orientations, etc.

BOTH need to be continuously improved.

This, however, is difficult.

Just like plenty of guys would LOVE to play and instrument well, few are willing to put in the practice to learn how.

Instead of taking the time and EFFORT to improve your social skills (which if you are honest is a life long prospect) AND your personality (another life long project) you are reframing your "lack of skills," your "lack of personality" into a BENEFIT to absolve yourself from doing the WORK required to get better results.

Not much different (structurally) than some ugly smell chick espousing the virtue of virginity.

Or broke people who decry the evils of money and capitalism.

Instead of saying, "Wow, my social skills and my personality sucks. I'm going to need to put in a lot of work to get some decent results with the ladies," you instead come up with a reframe that makes your WEAKNESS and LAZINESS sound like a BENEFIT.

(see your quoted statement above).

You won't get the results you want with the ladies unless you're willing to put in the practice.

You get to the golden gates of heaven the same way you get to Carnegie hall:

PRACTICE

Practice of ANY SKILL is difficult, time consuming, and very frustrating. That's why most people don't do it.

 

[MisterMike]

A lot of stuff here can seem crazy, but with the right perspective it can make a lot more sense.

First, women do not eat this sh*t up. A lot of what is presented here usually serves as a proper counter-balance to the many things men typically do wrong. Tips that suggest a man minimizes contact with a woman are most effective when applied by men who are being far too eager, too willing, too desperate. An eager man who can check himself and back off will present themselves as a more balanced person, and it is that balance that women become much more receptive to. Once a man can shed the bad behavior, these counter-balances no longer become truly necessary. They are applied sparingly at best, rather than all of the time.

As a man struggling with women, you need to determine what you're doing wrong to get a sense of which tips/advice will work best for you. This is actually the hardest part, because many men seldom realize what their doing wrong or want to admit to it even when they are told.

Second, the stuff here isn't geared towards all women, but towards attractive women. The less attractive a woman is, the less effective this stuff tends to be. This is why men who struggle with women will still have the tendency to get "lucky" with average and especially below average women from time to time, even when doing nothing that is suggested here. Guys like this can get away with complimenting average/below average women, while the same compliment given to a hot women will just tend to get you a "Thank you Captain obvious" eye roll. They can get away with smothering a below average women with attention simply because these women don't typically get enough attention to begin with, etc.

So, not only do you need to determine which tips are best suited for your own progress, but you also need to determine when they can be effective or ineffective, based on the type of women you are interacting with.

Third, the stigma of posturing and disingenuity typically comes from one's own assumption that he is expected to abandon who he is. But it's not about change, unless change is what you want. It's not about becoming something you're not. In many cases, it is just about properly measuring your response. A lot of times, what a man does wrong is not at all in the action or behavior itself, it is typically in the extent to which or the timing in which he chooses to do these things. It is in the delivery. It really is just like a joke, if you don't set it up properly and deliver the punchline at the appropriate time, your joke will not be funny. Most guys f*ck up with women in the same way they f*ck up a joke....

Thank you for that, it was very insightful and actually was what I needed to hear.

 

[MisterMike]

You're deluding yourself, like many people do.

Social skills are SKILLS. You need to practice them to improve.

Also, it's common to confuse your social skills with your personality, but they are different.

Your social skills are how you interact with others.

Your personality is the sum total of your experiences, beliefs, orientations, etc.

BOTH need to be continuously improved.

This, however, is difficult.

Just like plenty of guys would LOVE to play and instrument well, few are willing to put in the practice to learn how.

Instead of taking the time and EFFORT to improve your social skills (which if you are honest is a life long prospect) AND your personality (another life long project) you are reframing your "lack of skills," your "lack of personality" into a BENEFIT to absolve yourself from doing the WORK required to get better results.

Not much different (structurally) than some ugly smell chick espousing the virtue of virginity.

Or broke people who decry the evils of money and capitalism.

Instead of saying, "Wow, my social skills and my personality sucks. I'm going to need to put in a lot of work to get some decent results with the ladies," you instead come up with a reframe that makes your WEAKNESS and LAZINESS sound like a BENEFIT.

(see your quoted statement above).

You won't get the results you want with the ladies unless you're willing to put in the practice.

You get to the golden gates of heaven the same way you get to Carnegie hall:

PRACTICE

Practice of ANY SKILL is difficult, time consuming, and very frustrating. That's why most people don't do it.

That's very good and I appreciate your point, but Armante hit a lot closer to mark of what I was trying to and his assessment.