"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Not all women are worth it

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This is probably a big "Yeah of course" post for more senior members of this forum, but maybe this will help out some other new guys. I recently got out of a short term relationship with a women that was very attractive. While she was hot and we had fun, she was a pretty miserable person. Prone to mood swings and lacked moral fiber.

I have been doing a TON of reading on this forum, books, and other sites and was convinced I could get this into a LTR, when I realized I was just being desperate. I ended it quickly even without having something else lined up. I think I can easily get caught up in the process of "I can do this" not "I should do this."

Often times its just easier to move on to the next (even if it is an unknown) and find someone that is a better fit off the bat.

Again, probably obvious to most, but I thought another person might benefit from this reminder :)
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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situations like the ones you describe help define/redefine your standards and sense of self worth. good job. it's vital that you recognize when you deserve more and you follow thru with tht knowledge.
 

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No... silly!

They're all sugar and spice, and everything nice! !!:p
 

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Tonight I met a new girl who I had an incredible connection with. It reminded me of the feeling I had when I met my last girlfriend. She had the same eyes. There was an instant, undeniable attraction. She let me massage her feet. She told me her life story. It made me realize I had been putting up with too much crap. She has some tattoos but is taller than my last girl. She is definitely a model. She said she loves modeling more than anything. I had gone to see another girl (who I did see, the one with the same name as my last girl) but this girl stole me away. She is 20. Women that age are so powerful.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Tonight I met a new girl who I had an incredible connection with. It reminded me of the feeling I had when I met my last girlfriend. She had the same eyes. There was an instant, undeniable attraction. She let me massage her feet. She told me her life story. It made me realize I had been putting up with too much crap. She has some tattoos but is taller than my last girl. She is definitely a model. She said she loves modeling more than anything. I had gone to see another girl (who I did see, the one with the same name as my last girl) but this girl stole me away. She is 20. Women that age are so powerful.
Hey bro, can you massage my feet while your at it? These women use the same psychology as a man now adays... You just massaged the feet of a small man who wants what you have.
 

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Hey bro, can you massage my feet while your at it? These women use the same psychology as a man now adays... You just massaged the feet of a small man who wants what you have.
What? That's like asking me to f*ck you if I got laid by a hot girl.
 

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I recently got out of a short term relationship with a women that was very attractive. While she was hot and we had fun, she was a pretty miserable person. Prone to mood swings and lacked moral fiber.

I have been doing a TON of reading on this forum, books, and other sites and was convinced I could get this into a LTR, when I realized I was just being desperate. I ended it quickly even without having something else lined up. I think I can easily get caught up in the process of "I can do this" not "I should do this."
Bro, if she was so attractive, beautiful, and hot, why didn't you just continue have sex with her? Unless she was having mood swings during the sex.

If the man is having sex with a beautiful girl, he shouldn't end because he wants a relationship. Just keep doing it until she wants more or wants out. Am I missing something here? Or do we need relationships with woman to function, like the media, magazines, movies, and tv have told us?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Tonight I met a new girl who I had an incredible connection with. It reminded me of the feeling I had when I met my last girlfriend. She had the same eyes. There was an instant, undeniable attraction. She let me massage her feet. She told me her life story. It made me realize I had been putting up with too much crap. She has some tattoos but is taller than my last girl. She is definitely a model. She said she loves modeling more than anything. I had gone to see another girl (who I did see, the one with the same name as my last girl) but this girl stole me away. She is 20. Women that age are so powerful.
Chasing that blue pill....
 
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OP, if you read red pill and MGTOW stuff, they will try to convince you that NO girl is worth it.

All depends what you want from them. I'm not claiming to know everything.
 
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I think the problem lies in trying to be a Don Juan and spinning quality plates. Even when I was I'm high school I knew that 99% of the girls I was sleeping with were trashy. Only the most beautiful girl was able to invoke emotions in me. It is no different in the real world. You spin plates indefinitely and if you are lucky, you run into someone who is worth it.

I think the hardest thing for guys to accept is just how close to mythical quality women are. You almost have to pray for serendipity or offer a headless chicken to cupid and the gods.
I'm beginning to think that girls can see right through guys who aspire to be Don Juans/PUA's or whatever you want to call it.

Probably if you are good looking, they will give you some. If you're not, they won't and they'll just humor and play with you.

This is not taking money into account, and ignoring red pill/MGTOW for the time being.

Girls probably assume that EVERY GUY wants to be a player. They know the game. They might be totally stupid in some ways, but they might be smart when it comes to that. They know that99% of guys really want their vagina.
 

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I think the problem lies in trying to be a Don Juan and spinning quality plates. Even when I was in high school I knew that 99% of the girls I was sleeping with were trashy. Only the most beautiful girl was able to invoke emotions in me. It is no different in the real world. You spin plates indefinitely and if you are lucky, you run into someone who is worth it.

I think the hardest thing for guys to accept is just how close to mythical quality women are. You almost have to pray for serendipity or offer a headless chicken to cupid and the gods.
This is where the conundrum lies.

A girl can act the part beautifully. She can mirror you, play to your ego and reinvent herself based on what you value and want in life from a woman.

Even if she appears to be worth it, is she really the person you think or hope she is?
 

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A girl can act the part beautifully. She can mirror you, play to your ego and reinvent herself based on what you value and want in life from a woman.
This is called a good problem to have. Enjoy it while it lasts.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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This is called a good problem to have. Enjoy it while it lasts.
How so?

I associate it with bpd or some other type of manipulative exploit on her behalf. Seems like a disingenuous ploy to keep me attached while I'm probably being cuckolded on the side.
 

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How so?

I associate it with bpd or some other type of manipulative exploit on her behalf. Seems like a disingenuous ploy to keep me attached while I'm probably being cuckolded on the side.
All women who love a man will reinvent herself based on what you value.

Unless you are married (and paying the bills) you are not being cuckolded.
 

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All women who love a man will reinvent herself based on what you value.

Unless you are married (and paying the bills) you are not being cuckolded.
Are you sure? I remember reading classic bpd and npd disorders, and women who did such things, were often trying to manipulate their victim into a faulse sense of security.
 

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Are you sure? I remember reading classic bpd and npd disorders, and women who did such things, were often trying to manipulate their victim into a faulse sense of security.
I got my girl to completely transform herself, her makeup, her hair, her clothes, her style, her attitude, her lifestyle - and that was why she became the girl of my dreams and my greatest lover. I didn't see it as her diabolical plan to manipulate me. In the end, I held true to my principles and when she didn't behave the way I wanted I walked away.
 

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I got my girl to completely transform herself, her makeup, her hair, her clothes, her style, her attitude, her lifestyle - and that was why she became the girl of my dreams and my greatest lover. I didn't see it as her diabolical plan to manipulate me. In the end, I held true to my principles and when she didn't behave the way I wanted I walked away.
Haha well mine hasn't done all that. Walking away is pretty much the point I'm at now. Trying to fit in a few last times of pleasure always keeps a sucker coming back for more.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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