"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Best first date ideas?

Rxnxg

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As the title says, enlighten me boys!
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Alvafe

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feh, list the places there is in your area, that is the first thing to do
 

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Being from Southeast Georgia in the US, I have the luxury of Savannah, Ga... talk about a "romantic city". River Street is a cobble stone road next to the Savannah river, with all kinds of little shops geared toward tourists.

Taking a date down there for a walk and listening to street performers has always worked well in my favor. If you have a little spot like this, it is highly suggested. Oddly enough, my e-wife loved to walk around a cemetery and just look at headstones. I found a lot of women like that for some reason.

Don't make a first date expensive... a picnic lunch under an overpass got me laid right there on the railroad tracks once. Whatever you decide, stay clear of movies. You can't work your magic while she's trying to watch the big screen.
 

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My recent dates include:

Comedy club
Jazz lab
Top golf
Outdoor photography(a bit different, but as a side gig I do jobs, women love it)

All of these worked great
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Bobbylively

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I would tell her: "I am going to [insert any place nearby] tonight. I'll pick you up around [insert time here]."
Then don't pick her up at the time you said, but instead be a few minutes late. This will make her worry.

Some first dates I always have success with are:
Hikes and Movies
 

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I prefer grabbing a drink and if it goes well, and I'm interested, moving on to something fun yet competitive.

Pool, putt putt, etc. My reason for this is to place a friendly wager on it. Kiss, massage, etc. It always gets sexual if she is down for it and many times ends in sex.

And if not, it's stuff I like doing anyways so it's a win win.
 

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My recent dates include:

Comedy club
Jazz lab
Top golf
Outdoor photography(a bit different, but as a side gig I do jobs, women love it)

All of these worked great
same opinion here, and it shouldn't cost more than $20-30
 

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Definitely, first dates should be cheap, and $20-30 is the limit. Doing something you both enjoy would be great, but nothing wrong with a coffee. The pretty woman you met on a dating site(e.g. elenasmodels.com) (or elsewhere) is not coming to do the thing, she is coming to see you, and if you are fine, then any place is fine.

Maybe avoid places that are loud. Although it could allow sitting closer, so there is an upside as well.

Movies on the first date are pretty lame, in my view. Too long and not much fun with a stranger.
 
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